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January 23rd, 2009 11:47 PM #21my prof once said it would be better kung local citizens ang magtatayo ng big companies dito than foreign kasi sa atin naman tong bansa not theirs tapos masyado na nila dahandahang nadodominate mga bagay bagay.
basta mahaba at reasonable naman para suportahan mga local companies natin yada yada yada~
but then again,
kalimutan nyo na yung statement nyang yan kung ang usapan is greed at lust for money..
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January 24th, 2009 12:20 AM #22
I am working in the same industry.
I never heard about the issue of Intel with the local government of Cavite so this is news to me, but I am not surprised.
They do not have wafer manufacturing in their Cavite plant (the industry calls this wafer fab[rication]). What they have is assembly and final test. I think that they're doing wafer probe there, too.
Anyway, IMO, they're using the current economic downturn to get out of the country.
The management of their plant in Cavite has not learned from the big issue they had when they're still operating in Makati. I'd rather not dwell on the details, but it's basically the same issue that we all cry out to our government. The result? A few walked out with a lot of dough to last them a lifetime, while a couple of thousands were pushed out not knowing where they would get their next meal.
Our company is currently suffering one of the more serious collateral damages because of their greediness. Why? Because one of their former executives is now one of our executives. And, he does not like Filipinos because of his bad experiences with his former plant in the Philippines. No amount of persuasion and documentation based on our performance could ever erase his bad perception of the Filipinos. Sad, but true.
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January 24th, 2009 11:43 AM #24
kaya dati ko pa sinasabi hindi business friendly ang Pinas
ang tingin ng mga tao sa mga investors walking wallet
wala pinagkaiba ang mga extortionist na naka barong sa mga extortionist na nakatira sa gubat
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January 26th, 2009 08:04 AM #25
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January 30th, 2009 10:30 AM #27
Typical college prof... leftist tendencies... tell him to tell that to workers laid off because of unions targetting multinational companies...
Yes, it sucks if the industry is owned by a foreigner... but foreigners pay good wages, lifting more of our countrymen out of the mire.
Yes, support local industry, but if we don't have our own "Intel", it's not unreasonable to let them set up... let our people learn from working there, than take that knowledge and use it to set-up local industries to compete with the bigwigs.
That's the Chinese way, of doing it. Tit for tat... you use me, I use you, we're both happy until I become more succesful than you...
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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January 30th, 2009 10:52 AM #28
Vietnam opened up and Intel simply moved there.
A typical employee's monthly salary there is only 2.5-3k pesos. It's a no brainer actually. 99% of the manufacturing is automated anyway so there's really not that much need for particular set of workers.
At the end of the day, it's just a company hiring people who in turn get salary. It's just that their services are not needed anymore so everyone needs to move on (that's the only thing to do actually).
BTW, aside from the foreign firms, there are lots of Filipino manufacturing firms planning to move to Vietnam (that's why I got wind of the opening and the salary rates).
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January 30th, 2009 11:46 AM #29
Ex-Intel employee here. I worked there from 1999 to 2001 as an Engineer. Lumabas na tong balita about closing Intel a year ago from blogs. From what I learned from my ex-colleagues, ginather muna sila sa Cafeteria then may mga handang pagkain pa yata. That's the time the management dropped the news about the plan of closing the facility. Una pa atang reason na lumabas eh safety nung building ang reason which I dont buy.
I was able to catch up with my colleagues a couple months ago. Napagusapan nga namin na yung cause (sindikato) na sinabi ni Gen. Miting ang possible reason. It involved some Operators hanggang sa Security. There was one time nga daw na dumating pa ang FBI from the US to make the investigation. Pinalitan na din daw once yung security agency na may hawak ng Intel. For some time, nawala yung nakawan pero bumalik din kinalaunan.
Again, these are all allegations lang and I dont want to conclude. The bottomline is aalis ang Intel sa Philippines and it's sending signals to other MNCs to probably to do the same thing as well.
On the lighter side, yung mga kakilala ko na nawalan na ng work (mga nagpa early terminate), malaki ang nakuhang separation pay. Hirap lang kasi ngayon, mahihirapan sila maghanap ng kapalit na work dahil sa economic situation.
Haaay.
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January 30th, 2009 12:32 PM #30
tama ka dyan bro... ngayon alam ko na.
spent so much on business permits, sec, bir, etc. during the time we registered our business. ang lalakas pa manghingi ng lagay ng mga taga city hall. pati printing of ORs and invoices, monopolized ng BIR dahil dapat daw authorized printers ang magpriprint.
SEC alone, took us three weeks to complete. kung hindi pa kami nagabot, di gagalaw. for business permits, daming prerequisites, kesyo daw may inspection of facilities, fire hazards, etc. even though we started on a virtual office. iba pa ang cost ng barangay clearance.
tapos during the end of 2008, we got assessed for taxes even though loss pa. san ka naman makakakita nun? lugi na, may tax pa.
again, we spent so much on the business permit renewal last week.
ang mahal din ng cost of electricity per kw/h, ang mahal ng tubig per cu/m. cost of labor is a bit high also, for a starting company.
tama kayo, the governement is not making things easier for investors/business people. they are more interested in collections and taxes. how can a businessman pay his taxes properly, kung starting pa lang eh, pahirapan na? and how can a businessman start his business with limited capital? may incentives, pero limited, more concentrated on foreign investors than local capitalists? and even though you are working on a PEZA or DTI accredited firm, daming reportorial requirements. (i know, because i used to work for one).
tapos upon tax collection, makikita mo and maririnig mo yung mga graft and corruption news, so alam na ng mga tao kung san napupunta ang pera nila.
sensya na... venting mode lang... walang mapaglabasan eh.Last edited by 1D4LV; January 30th, 2009 at 12:35 PM.
IIRC they're with AVID. The reported numbers in the TG article are from CAMPI.
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