Hubert Webb (VIZCONDE Massacre) et al: "Not Guilty" [Merged Threads]

[shadow]

We used to lived near the Webbs in UBF. I can attest that Hubs was an asshole in our village that time. A typical spoiled brat. But, we have to respect the SC decision.

so? it doesn't prove that he committed the crime.

[shadow]

both sides prayed to God

sino mas malakas kay God?

hehe

neither.

the prosecutions just didn't prove that Webb committed the crime.

[isa1023]

Grabe, ito pala yung Visconde Massacre that lingers on my mind since childhood. I was four years old when this happened and made big news. I could still remember the TV reports ... and word "massacre" stuck in mind.

Upon reading the SC ruling and other related articles, I think it was indeed the "crime of the decade" as they would refer to ... to even stick in a mind of a four-year old boy.

Ganun na pala ka-incompetent and justice system natin ever since then ... not to mention the sensationalisation of the media.

[jansky]

We used to lived near the Webbs in UBF. I can attest that Hubs was an asshole in our village that time. A typical spoiled brat. But, we have to respect the SC decision.

so.. what you saying is an asshole = criminal?

[Marichelle]

so? it doesn't prove that he committed the crime.

Did I say or wrote that Hubs is the murderer/rapist? AFAIK I didn't.

[uls]

sometimes, bad people DO get away with it

[Marichelle]

so.. what you saying is an asshole = criminal?

If that is your description of an asshole then so be it.

[oliver1013]

Daming criminal dito sa tsikot

[jamesjames]

who wrote this document?. . .parang hindi legal document. . .

parang sinulat lang pang-blog--full of lines seemingly stating mere personal opinions and even inviting agreements to it

i could not sense the authoritative and unbiased tone of the supreme court when reading it. . .

this is the supreme court. . .the supreme court of the republic of the philippines!

sir, this came from the sc itself.

[CoDer]

Ang gawin na lang dyan eh damputin si biong. Then balatan ng buhay, lagyan ng asin at libing na labas ang ulo at lagyan na rin ng honey ang mukha and finally palibutan ng langam.

[Revenant]

Proven ba na si Biong talaga yung "naglinis" ng mga ebidensiya? Driver din ba talaga siya dati ni Freddie Webb?

[jimnyeatworld]

both sides prayed to God

sino mas malakas kay God?

hehe

yun mga judge and govt. employees na tumanggap from both sides ng lagay

[CoDer]

Proven ba na si Biong talaga yung "naglinis" ng mga ebidensiya? Driver din ba talaga siya dati ni Freddie Webb?

Umamin na sya before na pinalinis nya mga ebidensya. Or I could be wrong, tagal na kasi. Pero as far as my memory serves me sya nga ang nagpalinis ng crime scene including na mga ebidensya.

[wowiesy]

While I'm very happy for the release of Hubert Webb, I feel for the pain of Mang Lauro because he's back to square one...

If there's anyone to blame (and I'm sure there will be finger pointing here), it will be the NBI. They dropped the ball in losing the most vital piece of evidence: the alleged semen sample. In losing it, Hubert was not given due process and really shed a cast of doubt on the prosecution's case. Ergo, he cannot be convicted of the crime...

Now I pose a theoretical question: What if the semen sample was present and it showed a NEGATIVE match to Hubert's DNA? It will also release Hubert, right?? What will the prosecution say to that?? That it was a different sample??

I'm not surprised if they'll say such...

For those interested in reading the SC decision, click here...

fyi.. the DNA was also tossed .. hindi yung DNA evidence ang basis kung bakit ipinawalang sala ng SC sila Webb, et. al...

hmm..

there was this story na si former Senator Cayetano (who at that time was a state prosecutor), I'm not sure kung sya talaga.. but narinig ko lang... ang nag lead ng prosecution na to... publicity?

[wowiesy]

I am not a fan of Hubert Webb, but it all boils down to the sloppy police work by the NBI.

In April 1997, the NBI said they had the custody of the semen sample. When Webb requested for a DNA test, the then presiding Judge Tolentino refused to have it done.

Recentlly, the NBI said the semen sample can't be found.

Kahit sa US, pag ganun ang situation, Not Guilty sigurado ang verdict.

on this angle, may mention sa SC decision na the Webbs only now filed the motion to have the DNA tested... whereas yung DNA protocols where already released by the SC way way before (nung nasa Court of Appeals pa ang kaso)... the fact that Webb didn't raise it at that time, isa factor yun kung bakit hindi walang weight yung DNA, whether na produce ba o hindi...


that is the SC decision...

pero tingin ko... kung masyado akong speculative... this DNA thing may just be a smokescreen... to prepare the public for the release... gut feel ko lang...

[uls]

from: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/pep/2010121...r-fb4fa78.html

Lauro Vizconde:

"Diyos ko! Bakit mo po ako pinabayaan?"

Freddie Webb:

"Yes, of course. We were very confident, 'no? Because we not only hoped, not only wished, but we have faith not in men but in God."

"But let me also make a statement here that, yung panahon na yun ay hindi ko naman masisisi yung mga tao na maniwala.

"At para bang madalas na ginagamit pa nga ng huwes ay, 'I am powerful, I am moneyed, I have the right connections.'

"Hindi po totoo 'yan. Wala po akong ginamit na ganun."

"Ang ginamit ko lang po ay ang tiwala sa ating Panginoon.

"Hanggang ngayon po ay katakot-takot ang pasasalamat ko.

"Hindi po tao ang gumawa nito. Ang gumawa nito, e, Panginoon. Tinulungan po ako."

[waken]

Some of the people here are so...

Wala pa akong malay nung panahon ng kaso na yan, pero naiintindihan ko ang ibig sabihin ng Guilty without REASONABLE doubt.

If justice was to prevail, even back then, Webb should never have been convicted. Whereas he had evidence of a pretty solid alibi, confirmed by respectable people nonetheless, the primary evidence against him were mere testimonies.

Pag-isipan nyong mabuti ito ha. Paano kung mag testigo ako na KAYO ang gumawa ng isang pagpatay. Samahan pa ako ng barkada ko at kamag anak ko na magtetestigo rin laban sayo. Ano ba ang halaga ng testigo? Anyone can go around pointing fingers and just say whomever they don't like is the perpetrator.

Webb was a victim of a public lynching. Malakas ang anti-rich sentiment ng mga bitter sa mundo, di man lang pinag-iisipan kung guilty ba talaga o hindi. And even if he did commit the murder, then why couldn't they produce more solid evidences against him? A weapon with identified fingerprints? Defense caused injuries on the perpetrator's body?

Webb is also a victim. Up to now, he will still carry the stigma given to him by close minded people. Vizconde seeks vengeance, not justice, and is so blinded by anger that he could not even consider that the real perpetrators were left unpunished because of his single-minded focus on Webb.

Parehas na parehas tau ng naisip! pati ke Vizconde, its so obvious na ang baho ni Alfaro pero di niya kaya na imulat mata niya kasi gusto niya mayroong managot..

Biruin niyo walang evidence natuloy nila ung kaso! grabe mga police yn.. nag plant pa ng fake mentally ill witness at ginwang star witness pa! (oh nooooos)

any intelligent person na nabasa to http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprud...389.htm#_ftn51 sure na agree sa decision

and one more thing sana si Judge Amelita G. Tolentino eh mawala sa pwesto hindi natin kelangan ng mga inutil sa mundo!
at bka me inosente na nmn yng mapakulong dahil sa khinaan ng kokote niyan

[vito corleone]

Parehas na parehas tau ng naisip! pati ke Vizconde, its so obvious na ang baho ni Alfaro pero di niya kaya na imulat mata niya kasi gusto niya mayroong managot..

Biruin niyo walang evidence natuloy nila ung kaso! grabe mga police yn.. nag plant pa ng fake mentally ill witness at ginwang star witness pa! (oh nooooos)

any intelligent person na nabasa to http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprud...389.htm#_ftn51 sure na agree sa decision

and one more thing sana si Judge Amelita G. Tolentino eh mawala sa pwesto hindi natin kelangan ng mga inutil sa mundo!
at bka me inosente na nmn yng mapakulong dahil sa khinaan ng kokote niyan

in the supreme court's decision, it did not matter whether webb was guilty or not. . .he could be guilty, it wasn't just proven beyond reasonable doubt. . .kumbaga, nag-jump into conclusion si tolentino at ang court of appeals, which was wrong

[Monseratto]

Biong is now a born-again christian. He is now a member of the Jesus Miracle Crusade movement. According to him, the relatives of Vizconde were the ones who ordered the cleaning and burning of evidence, because Lauro was arriving. Being the police authority at the scene, he should have stopped it. Since it was after all, a crime scene. Shows you the state of the police during the time. Hinde pa ata uso ang SOCO.

[waken]

Eh yun na nga problema, anyone can be guilty o_O even Vizconde.. But hindi tayo nag jump to conclusion tungkol sa kanya kasi wala siyang possible intent, like money.

Pero si Hubert Webb wala din nmn possible intentions o_O meron pa alibi,
hindi nga siya kilala ng mga Vizconde pero bakit bigla siya naging suspect?