Hubert Webb (VIZCONDE Massacre) et al: "Not Guilty" [Merged Threads]

[kinyo]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44380678/C...GR-CR-HC-00336

guilty daw eh ... hindi lang si alfaro ang witness, meron sikyu, labandera, partner ni biong

yung mga alibi documents ni webb, hindi napatunayang tunay o hindi sapat patunay na nasa merika si hubert noong gabi ng krimen, puro xerox pa yata (xerox ng passport ang ni-submit sa korte?)

[shadow]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44380678/C...GR-CR-HC-00336

guilty daw eh ... hindi lang si alfaro ang witness, meron sikyu, labandera, partner ni biong

yung mga alibi documents ni webb, hindi napatunayang tunay o hindi sapat patunay na nasa merika si hubert noong gabi ng krimen, puro xerox pa yata (xerox ng passport ang ni-submit sa korte?)

I think sa guard, hinde nga niya ma distinguish kung ano yun sulat niya na entry sa log book, pero naaalalal niya yun log entry niya kila webb et al. selective memory yun guard,

sa labendera naman, it was proven and meron pa yatang certification from the agency na hinde na nagwork sa Webb yun labendera during that time frame. parang umalis na 2 months prior to that incident yun maid.

yun sa partner naman ni Biong wala naman siyang sinabi against kila Webb, ang sinabi lang niya yun circumstances sa asawa niya.

[cutedoc]

lahat pwede mangyari ang buhay pwede mamatay ang patay pwede mabuhay, dahil sa pera walang imposible!

pera ang diyos, walang sinasanto ang pera, kaya ang pagtatak ng us immigration office malaking posibilidad yun...

ang masasabi ko lang sana magkaruon ng magandang karma kay lauro vizconde at ang mga salarin naman ay magkaruon ng karampatang hustisiya di man sa paraan ng supreme court pero sa paraan mas naaayon!

huwag umasa sa hustisiya ng pinas...been there done that!

[vito corleone]

huwag umasa sa hustisiya ng pinas...been there done that!

sinabi mo pa, doc. . .kasasabi ko lang sa colleague dito sa opis kanina, "nakakafrustrate mamuhay dito sa pinas dahil sa kawalan ng saysay ng mga batas"

just-tiis talaga o baka nga kailangan mong magdusa pag minamalas ka pa

[niky]

im no lawyer but AFAIK, mas matimbang ang testimony ng eye witness vs. any respected people sa society na nag bigay ng testimony na nakita nila si Webb sa US a few days before or after the incident (which was the case w/ Gary V, et al.)

No.

In law and in law enforcement, eyewitness testimony is the weakest form of evidence and must be corroborated by forensic evidence or other eyewitness accounts. Otherwise it merely becomes a game of "he-said, she-said", which is why the reliability and authenticity of the witnesses always has to be called into question.

You can have several people view a crime and all seven will have a different version of the events. Some of them conflicting with other accounts on the most basic levels of who, when and where the crime occurred.

This is not a comment on this case itself, but that's how it is in law. Not having personally seen the purported documents held by ex-Senator Webb and not knowing the other details of the case in-depth, I cannot say whether or not Hubert is innocent or guilty... but I wouldn't be surprised if the trial itself was railroaded for political and publicity reasons.

[oliver1013]

ANg mahirap dito, pano kung sabi ng supreme court lusot si Webb, pano na? So yung tunay na killers wala na? Kawawa si Lauro. Kawawa si Webb nakulong pero di pala siya.

Ano kaya yung sinasabi si Webb about Lim sa radio? Ano ba si Lim noong panahon na yun?

[shadow]

IIRC, LIM was the NBI director at that time pero sa latter part na yata ng term niya.

[ekaj42]

not really impossible. prior to 9-11 lax ang security ng US. yung classmate ko sa college na green card holder. nakaka-uwi dito sa pinas ng hindi na-stamp passport nya. making it appear na hindi sya umaalis sa US thus complyng with the required duration of residency.

korek ka dito battaglin. i know this is via the backdoor of the US (mexico) or sa florida ang exit mo..again this was before 911. ung sinasabi ko naman syempre saan ba madali magpatatak maski wala ka dun? aloha!!!

[shadow]

korek ka dito battaglin. i know this is via the backdoor of the US (mexico) or sa florida ang exit mo..again this was before 911. ung sinasabi ko naman syempre saan ba madali magpatatak maski wala ka dun? aloha!!!

nope! it's not through the backdoors, uuwi ka dito normally pero meron ng escort na magaabang saiyo pag dating dito hinde na dadaan sa immigration yun passport mo, so walang stamp.

pag time na bumalik hanap ka lang ng time and date ng flight na exacto sa supposedly months stay mo dito 3 or 6 months then magkita kayo sa contact mo sa labas ng immigration diyan sa intramuros, intayin mo lang pag labas ng magiting natin gov't employee meron ng instant stamp passport mo.

kung malakas loob mo alam na ng mga immigration officers natin magipit ka na lang ng US$10-US$20 sa passport mo then sabihin mo ayaw mo mag pa stamp alam na nila yun.

yun sinasabi ko na antedate na arrival stamp sa immigration P1.2k lang ang singil.

[lazyfoot]

not really impossible. prior to 9-11 lax ang security ng US. yung classmate ko sa college na green card holder. nakaka-uwi dito sa pinas ng hindi na-stamp passport nya. making it appear na hindi sya umaalis sa US thus complyng with the required duration of residency.

Why would he go through all the trouble for that just to kill the vizcondes? Stabbing them like a desperate madman, if he planned it like that I would think that he would just go and put a bullet into their heads.
I think Hubert shouldn't be behind bars at all

[olidotcom]

re: Webb going sue back if Hubert goes free.... don't take it from me but I feel na pababayaan na lang nila. They will just be happy that Hubert is now out and will be with them. Gusto na lang nila ng tahimik na buhay.

re: eyewitness, testimonials, etc... I really don't feel that its enough.. without other hard evidence of course... a good example is: a girl just shouting 'r*pe! r*pe!' and points to a person?.. kawawa agad yung taong yun.... sigurado agad akong negative agad ang tingin ng mga tao sa lalakeng tinuro..

IMHO lang po. just sharing my thoughts.

[olidotcom]

added news clip got from YahooPH.news... sharing lang din po.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/gma/2010120...d-d6cd5cf.html

Webb camp wants NBI personnel cited in contempt


GMANews.TV - Friday, December 3

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The lawyers for convict Hubert Webb have asked the Supreme Court to cite in contempt at least 10 National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) personnel for allegedly “willfully" losing a piece of evidence that could prove his innocence in the Vizonde massacre case.
In a 60-page petition filed on Thursday, Webb, son of former Senator Freddie Webb, also said the NBI should not have presented “bogus" eyewitness Jessica Alfaro as the lead witness to the murders of Estrellita Vizconde and her daughters Carmela and Jennifer in June 1991.
Named respondents were:
NBI Director Magtanggol Gatdula, Former NBI director Nestor Mantaring, Former NBI director Carlos Caabay, Dr. Renato Bautista, Dr. Prospero Cabanayan, Lawyer Floresto Arizala, Lawyer Reynaldo Esmeralda, Lawyer Arturo Figueras, Lawyer Pedro Rivera, and Lawyer John Herra.
In January 2000, the Paranaque Regional Trial Court Branch 274 convicted Webb and eight others for the killings, with Webb and five others sentenced to life imprisonment. The Court of Appeals affirmed the lower court’s ruling, prompting Webb to bring his case to the Supreme Court.
In April this year, the Supreme Court granted Webb’s request for a DNA analysis and directed the NBI to produce the semen specimen found in Carmela Vizconde’s body, who was allegedly raped before murdered.
But the NBI said the specimen was no longer with it because it was submitted to the Parañaque RTC when the case was still on trial. However, records of the trial court showed that what the NBI submitted were only photos of the DNA samples.
Last Oct. 19, 2010, the Supreme Court said it would no longer require the conduct of a DNA analysis because the NBI could no longer produce the specimen. It also said the case is already ready for resolution.
Missing specimen</B>
But the Webb camp accused the NBI of willfully suppressing the evidence, saying that in 1997, NBI doctor Renato Bautista certified that the NBI still has custody of the semen specimen. He said Bautista’s certification disputes the bureau’s claim that Cabanayan left the specimen with the Paranaque court in 1996.
“For the NBI to say now that the semen specimen, which was entrusted to their custody, is not with them anymore, is but the latest in a string of concerted acts of the NBI to pin the blame for the Vizconde massacre on petitioner (Webb) and his co-accused," said the petition.
Jessica Alfaro</B>
Webb likewise questioned the NBI for presenting Alfaro as its star witness even as she supposedly did not have direct knowledge of how the Vizconde massacre was carried out.
"Alfaro was a bogus eyewitness and the NBI knew this," said the petition.
He said NBI Anti-Kidnapping, Hijacking, and Robbery Group head Artemio Sacaguing had testified that Alfaro had informed him that she knew somebody who witnessed the Vizconde killings.
“When Alfaro was unable to produce this alleged eyewitness, she volunteered herself to act out the role of an eyewitness and told Atty. Sacaguing, ‘Sir, papapelan ko yan, papapelan ko na lang yan (Sir, I will just play out the role),’" said the petition. - KBK, GMANews.TV</B>

[oliver1013]

Kung beyond reasonable doubt ang babasehan, lusot dapat to si Webb.

Si Alfaro actually ang doubtful.

[ydreph962]

assuming na pwede ka ngang makauwi sa pinas na walang tatak, siguro di naman ginawa ni hubert yun na umuwi tapos ginawa ang krimen tapos bumalik agad sa states..di ba sabi nagtrabaho at bumili pa ng bike mismong araw ng krimen..
ako di ako naniniwala sa kwento ni alfaro...high profile case kasi kaya kelangan nila magkaron ng resulta kaya kelangang may masacrifice..just my opinion..

[marg]

Kung sa US court, dismissed na yung case pag ganun ang nabgyari sa evidence.

Dito kasi sanay na tayo sa sloppy police work.

[olidotcom]

Alfaro resurfaced.. she said that evidence vs. Hubert is 'solid' "daw".

[oliver1013]

Ano na daw ba balita dito?

[olidotcom]

latest I have heard from the news is bakit daw ngayon lang nila gusto gamitin yung semen sample na nawawala as DNA evidence... which was dapat dati pa daw.

[Monseratto]

Webb et al are free... No more motion for reconsideration.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/208277/s...-massacre-case

SC acquits Hubert Webb, 6 others in Vizconde massacre
SOPHIA DEDACE, GMANews.TV
12/14/2010 | 11:46 AM

Hubert Webb, the son of a former senator, and six others in the Vizconde massacre case, can now walk free from the New Bilibid Prison.

In a vote of 7-4-4 on Tuesday, the Supreme Court (SC) reversed two lower courts' findings that found him and eight others guilty of killing three members of the Vizconde family almost two decades ago.

While nine people may have been convicted, the court only took action on the seven of them. This is because the two others, Artemio Ventura ad Joey Filart, remain at large to this day.

According to SC spokesman Jose Midas Marquez, the court acquitted the seven "for the failure of the prosecution to rule their guilt beyond reasonable doubt," said Marquez.

"They are ordered released from detention unless for another lawful cause," said Marquez.

Aside from Webb, those acquitted were:

•Antonio Lejano;

•Michael Gatchalian;

•Miguel Rodriguez;

•Hospicio Fernandez;

•Peter Estrada, and

•former policeman Gerardo Biong.

Those who voted in favor of the acquittal were:

•Associate Justices Roberto Abad;

•Conchita Carpio-Morales;

•Diosdado Peralta;

•Lucas Bersamin;

•Jose Perez, and

•Ma. Lourdes Sereno.

Those who dissented were:

•Chief Justice Renato Corona;

•Associate Justices Martin Villarama;

•Teresita Leonardo-De Castro, and

•Arturo Brion.

Four justices inhibited themselves from the deliberations. They were:

•Associate Justices Antonio Carpio

•Eduardo Nachura

•Diosdado Peralta, and

•Mariano del Castillo.

Webb was accused of raping Carmela Vizconde, who was killed in her family's Parañaque home on June 30, 1991. Her mother, Estrellita, and sister, Jennifer, were also killed.

Webb was among the nine people convicted by Paranaque Regional Trial Court Branch 274 Presiding Judge Amelita Tolentino in January 2000 for the killings. The Court of Appeals upheld the conviction in December 2005.

Tolentino is now an Associate Justice of the Court of Appeals.

Webb then elevated the case to the Supreme Court and asked that a DNA analysis be conducted on a semen sample or vaginal smears taken from the body of victim Carmela Vizconde. – VVP, GMANews.TV

[shadow]

acquitted na sila Webb and company. ang saya ng pasko ng mga wrongly accused.

I think they should sue the NBI and lahat ng agencies involved sa pagka incarcerate nila