Hubert Webb (VIZCONDE Massacre) et al: "Not Guilty" [Merged Threads]

[ab_initio]

clarification: PAO did not in any way act as prosecutors when the accused were on trial. if we try to analyze, why did Lauro Vizconde need a PAO lawyer when the Office of the City Prosecutor could very well represent them? PAO has no participation in the prosecution...in criminal cases, their participation is to defend the accused who is destitute, and...well, sometimes...cant offer any defense on the account that he is probably guilty?

[Monseratto]

clarification: PAO did not in any way act as prosecutors when the accused were on trial. if we try to analyze, why did Lauro Vizconde need a PAO lawyer when the Office of the City Prosecutor could very well represent them? PAO has no participation in the prosecution...in criminal cases, their participation is to defend the accused who is destitute, and...well, sometimes...cant offer any defense on the account that he is probably guilty?

PUBLICITY...POGI POINTS. Atty ACOSTA is AMBITIOUS. Gustos mapansin para marecomendahan ng JUICY POST. Wants to follow the foot steps of SEC. De lima...

[ab_initio]

PUBLICITY...POGI POINTS. Atty ACOSTA is AMBITIOUS. Gustos mapansin para marecomendahan ng JUICY POST. Wants to follow the foot steps of SEC. De lima...

i don't wanna speculate what her motives are...every person is accorded the right to take steps in the name of career development...

i am just trying to clarify that it was not PAO so we would not be attacking the institution itself, instead, bark on the specific person.

so to guide the discussion. i have good friends working in PAO and i would say, they are good public servants.

[Devastator]

May testigo daw sila? Bakit ngayon lang magsusulputan? They may file an MR pero the chances are really slim.

[shadow]

publicity stunt lang ginagawa ng PAO, public sympathy nanaman ang gusto nilang mangyari, they will file a MR eh automatic denied na yun, so it will picture the SC as oppressive and anti poor.

oh please...ang daming gustong sumawsaw sa kaso. siyempre nga naman hot topic pa eh. sayang ang chance.

[docgorio]

Ambulance chaser they all are!!!!!!

[olidotcom]

Ambulance chaser they all are!!!!!!

+1 ako dito... spur of the moment ika nga... para sumikat... or bumawi. either lang sa dalawa. pati yung mga bagong testigo... masyadong delayed talaga sila makonsensya! 15 years delayed.. tsk!

[marg]

[SIZE="4"]Hubert's brother dares PAO[/SIZE]
By JONATHAN M. HICAP, Mla Bulletin
December 18, 2010, 6:33pm
MANILA, Philippines — The brother of freed convict Hubert Webb dared the Public Attorney’s Office (PAO) to produce the new witnesses in the celebrated Vizconde massacre case.

Fritz Webb, Hubert’s older brother, told the Manila Bulletin that if Persida Rueda-Acosta, PAO chief, cannot produce them, “she should shut up.”

He said Acosta was just “grandstanding” when she said that five people had called their office offering to shed light on the case.

Eh this stupid Atty. Acosta loves to use PAO to grandstand. Kaya pati PAO nasisira ang pangalan.

Mapapahiya lang sila in the near future. Giving FALSE hopes for the old Vizconde.

[SIZE="4"]SC: Webb acquittal is final [/SIZE]
By Marlon Ramos, Julie M. Aurelio
Philippine Daily InquirerThe high court’s administrator and spokesperson Midas Marquez on Friday warned that the plan of Public Attorneys’ Office (PAO) chief Persida Acosta to file a motion for reconsideration might only hurt and “give false hopes” to Lauro Vizconde, whose wife and two daughters were brutally murdered in June, 1991.

[mayhem]

PAO's acting "too late the hero" wahehehe..

[ab_initio]

^the Public Attorney's Office was not in a position to help prosecute the case of the Vizcondes because, then and now, THE PROSECUTION OF OFFENSES is vested on the National Prosecution Office of the Department of Justice only, except on those cases that the law allows other agencies to prosecute. Even if Lauro V., the private complainant did hire a private prosecutor, said private prosecutor was, and still is, under the supervision and control of the Public Prosecutor. PAO cannot act as prosecutors in a criminal case. Their lot is limited to defending a destitute accused. While both agencies, the PAO and the DOJ, are under the Executive Department, they have separate and distinct functions.

PAO is not DOJ.

btt

if a motion for reconsideration is allowed, then it is still the call of the PUBLIC PROSECUTOR. the participation of the heirs of the victim is limited to the civil aspect of the case. THE REASON BEING: All criminal cases are prosecuted in the name of the Republic of the Philippines, thus, the caption reads: PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES vs. JUAN DELA CRUZ. the heirs of the victim or the victim himself would just be a mere witness insofar as the criminal aspect of the case is concerned.

[jimnyeatworld]

May 5 raw "bagong witnesses" ang PAO. One of them says that Hubert was in country when the Viscondes were massacred.

Naglaro pa raw nga sila ng basketball.......

eto lang ha during that time, ang buong DLSU knows na andun noon si Webb at pumapasok. kaya malabo ang Amerika alibi.

[Monseratto]

eto lang ha during that time, ang buong DLSU knows na andun noon si Webb at pumapasok. kaya malabo ang Amerika alibi.

Too bad no one from DLSU had the balls to present themselves or any of their records to back-up that speculative claim. Ngayon na acquit si Webb, labasan na naman mga kuwento kutsero...

[ydreph962]

eto lang ha during that time, ang buong DLSU knows na andun noon si Webb at pumapasok. kaya malabo ang Amerika alibi.

uy bago na namang kwento yan ah..sino may sabi o imbento na naman yan? kasama ka ba sa 5 bagong witnesses?

[shadow]

eto lang ha during that time, ang buong DLSU knows na andun noon si Webb at pumapasok. kaya malabo ang Amerika alibi.

Too bad no one from DLSU had the balls to present themselves or any of their records to back-up that speculative claim. Ngayon na acquit si Webb, labasan na naman mga kuwento kutsero...

uy bago na namang kwento yan ah..sino may sabi o imbento na naman yan? kasama ka ba sa 5 bagong witnesses?

si Hubert ba or si Jason ang sinasabi niyo? what I know is impossible yun tsismis na ang real perpetrator ay si Jason, since during that time high profile siya sa DLSU visible since one of the star player siya at di pwedeng umalis na lang agad at bumalik or something.

ewan ko lang kung kasabay niya nag aral si Hubert sa DLSU kasi mukhang malayo naman ang age gap nila.

[cutedoc]

i dont think vizconde case will be reopen again, i feel sorry for mr lauro vizconde, he tried his best, but i think the money must had been stronger...

if its not the webb's then who is it? such a lame from philippines to work on a case for 15years w/o making a better conclusion...

the rapist of maggie dele riva were sentenced to death penalty, well good thing, expect more crimes, for they will think that they wont die and be pardoned anyway, and who know if they are able to bring home the loot like gma, he will be untouchable...

money does play the biggest factor in our justice system, non only justice but to our society...

[olidotcom]

if DLSU people have seen Hubert... then 'they' whoever 'they' are should went out 15 years ago.

i believe that 15 years ago... DLSU also has the ID badge system if you enter the premises it will be logged in the system as well. (kung ayaw nila mag testify diba? its an evidence na nasa pinas siya)

[Monseratto]

Interesting to see where this conspiracy case will go...

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/12...arms-vs-alfaro

Webb et al lawyers up in arms vs Alfaro
By Niko Baua, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 12/19/2010 11:42 AM | Updated as of 12/19/2010 2:27 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The lawyers of the acquitted in the Vizconde massacre case called for a press conference Saturday afternoon.

Initially, the media was informed that it was just a reunion of sorts for lawyers Rene Saguisag, Vitaliano Aguirre, Jose Flaminiano, Ricardo Valmonte and others.

Later, the lawyers announced they will soon be charging Jessica Alfaro with false testimony.

They are the lawyers of the main suspects in the 1991 murder case, who were acquitted by the Supreme Court on Tuesday over the “inherent inconsistencies” in the testimony of witness Alfaro.

They will also be filing administrative cases against members of the National Bureau of Investigation, and public and private prosecutors for allegedly attempting to fabricate evidence against Hubert Webb and the others.

They are basing their complaint against a confidential report received by Flaminiano several years ago, which was written by Col. Armando Gatmaitan. The latter was then the intelligence chief of the criminal investigation services of the Philippine National Police who did an independent investigation of the massacre case.

The lawyers supposedly confronted Gatmaitan over the letter.

He confirmed he wrote the letter back in 1995 after the Vizcondes asked him to do a separate investigation.

He claimed his nephew, Mar Gatmaitan, was the surrogate father of the Vizconde children.

It was through Mar that he met the Vizconde patriarch, Lauro.

In his report, Gatmaitan said there was an incident where Alfaro was brought to the crime scene for a “familiarization tour” before she gave a sworn statement, helping her fabricate her testimony.

He also claimed certain prosecutors and NBI agents coached the witnesses to support the case.

Since the Vizconde case has been judged with finality, this would be the best time to file a false testimony case against Alfaro, Saguisag said.

The lawyers have not revealed the names of the possible respondents, noting only they are still studying the case further.

Gatmaitan, for his part, said he does not care if people might think his statement is mere hearsay. He said he just wants to tell the truth.

[olidotcom]

huli ka balbon! madami talagang mga issues na hindi pinansin ang RTC.... ngayon ilalabas na nila ulit.. lalabas na ang baho nila. tsk!

[jimnyeatworld]

Too bad no one from DLSU had the balls to present themselves or any of their records to back-up that speculative claim. Ngayon na acquit si Webb, labasan na naman mga kuwento kutsero...

hindi naman kwentong kutsero yan eh. bakit sa tingin mo malakas si Webb sa Amerika. he's an American who became a popular actor then became a senator. kung tuusin asset sya eh

America don't leave anyone behind. kita mo nga yun nan-rape recently na sundalo, eh diba't biglang nasa America na ngaun. even Ivler is still alive to this date. kung tuusin dapat salvage na yan sa dami ng krimen na ginawa nya

now Hubert may have been seen with his bro during that time kasi nga sobrang lakas ng DLSU noon araw sa UAAP, marami nakakita sa kanya thereby
the senator's claims na nasa Amerika si Hubert is just fabrication

both sides are equally guilty pagdating sa fabrication ng evidence.

now even if webb is here and tinago nya yun, that doesn't automatically that he and his friends committed the murders. i think it's just a father's instinct/love that he would exhaust all means at his disposal to save his son. yun lang yun.

[Altis6453]

hindi naman kwentong kutsero yan eh. bakit sa tingin mo malakas si Webb sa Amerika. he's an American who became a popular actor then became a senator. kung tuusin asset sya eh

America don't leave anyone behind. kita mo nga yun nan-rape recently na sundalo, eh diba't biglang nasa America na ngaun. even Ivler is still alive to this date. kung tuusin dapat salvage na yan sa dami ng krimen na ginawa nya

now Hubert may have been seen with his bro during that time kasi nga sobrang lakas ng DLSU noon araw sa UAAP, marami nakakita sa kanya thereby
the senator's claims na nasa Amerika si Hubert is just fabrication

both sides are equally guilty pagdating sa fabrication ng evidence.

now even if webb is here and tinago nya yun, that doesn't automatically that he and his friends committed the murders. i think it's just a father's instinct/love that he would exhaust all means at his disposal to save his son. yun lang yun.

I wonder how you reached this conclusion.

At no point was there any declaration from the courts that the pieces of object evidence, documentary or otherwise, introduced by the accused or the prosecution was fabricated. Certainly, the RTC under Judge Tolentino alluded to documents being easily forged or faked but none of the lawyers, especially from the prosecution, were able to prove that the documentary evidences were a forgery.