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View Poll Results: Do you agree with GMA to commute all death sentences to life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovicE
    Saudi Arabia
    Maganda po ang ekonomiya ng Saudi Arabia because mayaman sila sa langis hindi dahil may death penalty sila

    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss3wiper
    Maganda po ang ekonomiya ng Saudi Arabia because mayaman sila sa langis hindi dahil may death penalty sila

    peace
    Singapore, China

    Death sentence to all the kidnappers, drug pushers, crooks in the government and stupid politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isuzoom
    Singapore, China

    Death sentence to all the kidnappers, drug pushers, crooks in the government and stupid politicians.
    Kaya nga nabitay dito si Flor Cotemplacion, You don’t have freedom of speech in this country, you cannot say politicians are stupid nor criticize their policies or else sari-sari asunto aabutin mo…
    It is not proven na because may death penalty sila ay umunlad sila. They work hard, implement the law, they have their economic strategy na naging successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss3wiper
    Maganda po ang ekonomiya ng Saudi Arabia because mayaman sila sa langis hindi dahil may death penalty sila

    peace


    Bakit ang Iraq marami namang langis pero bagsak pa rin ang ekonomiya before the invasion of US. (mas lalo ngayon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovicE
    Bakit ang Iraq marami namang langis pero bagsak pa rin ang ekonomiya before the invasion of US. (mas lalo ngayon)
    any arab country that still want to erase israel in the map will not prosper...why? because no country ouside (except russia and china) will invest too much because they know that the security of their business is a problem. take a look at those countries (lebanon, jordan, egypt, etc.) that made peace with israel..they are now enjoying a good economic growth because of political and border security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miLes
    thats why we have rules, same here sa tsikot right? some person has been banned, warned or threads closed because somebody stepped over the line right? i know you'd be saying that the death penalty is another matter but then those on death row are not your petty pickpocketers, they are charged with heavy crimes - premeditated murders, crimes you'd only see on movies. someone planning, deliberately and willingly killing our love ones deserve nothing less than death
    As I've said... not all in the death row is guilty. What we need is a better judicial system that will also give a fair chance to those that charged with these crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kris06
    May study bang nagpapatunay na may epekto ang pagpapatupad ng death penalty sa economy ng isang bansa? Kung meron, paki share naman. :D
    Hmmm... you don't get my point. There is no direct economic impact.

    What it affects is the standard of living & moral-ethical upliftment of a nation. Most developed nations have already passed the phase of using capital punishment as a deterrent. They've implemented that for hundreds of years and they already know its impact and implication.

    Quote Originally Posted by NovicE
    baka wala ng matirang pulitiko at mga government employees pag may death penalty
    A generalized statement. There are a lot of Tsikoteers that are government employees also.

    Quote Originally Posted by ss3wiper
    For the Christian who believe in the Bible… The first heinous crime was committed by Cain who murdered his brother Abel. Did God punish Cain by physical death? No. Instead He gave commandment that who so ever kill Cain will take seven punishment. So that Cain can repent.

    Death penalty is not the answer nor can help to improve the injustice system in our society.
    Yup... and more so in the New Testament wherein forgiveness is the central theme. We expect God to forgive us of our sins and yet we cannot forgive those that have faulted against us.

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    baka wala ng matirang pulitiko at mga government employees pag may death penalty

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    We have a neighbor before, one night he killed 2 ladies
    also our neighbor, positively he's the culprit as a couple of
    folks saw him walking home kasi hawak pa nya yong duguan na
    kutsilyo na ginamit nya, you know what panalo pa sya sa kaso
    kasi binayaran yung mga pulis na imbistigador 30k yata binayad.
    We know him also as a serial killer bcause he killed few people
    before that incident. After that he went to the middle east to work
    and being a psychopath maybe he apparently killed somebody
    there. Ayon natuluyan umuwing hiwalay ang ulo sa katawan.
    ang problema sa atin justice system lagi lamang ang may pera
    at may mga koneksyon.

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    kaya nga nabitay kasi may kasalan..

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    Bagay na bagay ito sa mga carjackers...

    Ang lalakas ng loob, sobra tapang, kahit tanghaling tapat bumabanat! Tignan ko lang kung hindi sila kabugin kahit konti kapag nakita nila yung katropa nila na natitigok ng live sa TV.

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    Iba situation ng iraq amigo.

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    In the State of Florida, one of the first to allow Concealed-Carry of firearms for self-defense, the homicides reported to the police in 1987 (start of concealed-carry) was 1,371 incidents. In 1996, there were 1,077 incidents or a 21.44% decrease in homicides. Got these off the US gov't's Fedstats website.

    Criminals know: when they try to commit a crime, a victim who may have a concealed-carry weapon can provide a high probability of DEATH for the assailant. The death penalty, IMHO, provides the same protection: the fear of DEATH.

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    ive always believe an eye for an eye.

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    china may death penalty din, firing squad.....

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    try forgiving someone who brutally raped and killed your daughter or let's just say a little innocent girl....well if you can, something is not right...

    yes i agree not all sentenced to die are guilty and cases involving death penalty sentence should be reviewed thoroughly and must not leave any bit of reasonable doubt. I believe most death penalty convicts have been given the chance to prove their innocence. It takes years to prosecute these criminals before death sentence is reached by the supreme court. And appeals are made if new evidences are found.

    I also believe death sentences should be re-classified. Brutal rapists and murderers deserve to die because they have no respect for human life.

    Just imagine if these criminals got the chance to escape. Which by the way has happened many times in our penitentiaries. Would you risk these guys doing their unimaginable act again? Who would be the next victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    try forgiving someone who brutally raped and killed your daughter or let's just say a little innocent girl....well if you can, something is not right...
    Someone who has a more enlightened sense of morals than yourself shouldn't be seen as "not right".

    Remember that, more than being just a punitive measure, the penal system exists to rehabilitate those who have run afoul of the law and reintegrate them into society as productive, law-abiding citizens. That's why there are prisons that offer livelihood opportunities and skills training for inmates.

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    I believe most death penalty convicts have been given the chance to prove their innocence.
    The very economic status of those convicts prevents them from affording lawyers who are even halfway competent to defend them in court. Which is why there are entities such as the Free Legal Assistance Group (FLAG) that are helping indigent convicts.

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    It takes years to prosecute these criminals before death sentence is reached by the supreme court. And appeals are made if new evidences are found.
    Then this is a question of effective law enforcement and prompt judicial procedure, not capital punishment. Haphazard/incompetent police investigations largely contribute to the backlog of cases in the courts, and the number of corrupt lawyers and judges is not helping, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    Just imagine if these criminals got the chance to escape. Which by the way has happened many times in our penitentiaries. Would you risk these guys doing their unimaginable act again? Who would be the next victim?
    Again, this is a matter of law enforcement and procedure. Jail guards are likely to be bribed, prison security tends to be lax, facilities are substandard and inhumane. It is only natural for a detainee to wish for freedom. What is unnatural is when those that have the responsibility of guarding them, are instead conniving with them to fulfill that wish too soon.

    I have an uncle in Bicol who was mysteriously attacked and disappeared. His body was never found, we don't even know if he's still alive to this day. The NPA had offered his family their assistance to bring his attackers to revolutionary justice, but they declined, saying they would rather have the perpetrators suffer in prison and reflect on their crime.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 20th, 2006 at 04:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Someone who has a more enlightened sense of morals than yourself shouldn't be seen as "not right". More than a punitive measure, the jail system exists to rehabilitate those who have run afoul of the law and reintegrate them to society as productive, law-abiding citizens. .
    I don't think it's a more enlightened sense of morals if that is what you call it. Easier said than done, my friend. I'd rather be jailed or die killing those bastards. I don't believe the jail system can correct these psychos. The jail system exists for those who can be rehabilitated. The death sentence for those that cannot be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Again, no. The very economic status of those convicts prevents them from affording lawyers who are even halfway competent to defend them in court. Which is why there are entities such as the Free Legal Assistance Group (FLAG) that are helping indigent convicts. .

    Most of them we'rent given a chance? You sure? How do you know it's a matter of incompetence?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Then this is a question of effective law enforcement and prompt judicial procedure, not capital punishment. Haphazard/incompetent police investigations largely contribute to the backlog of cases in the courts, and the number of corrupt lawyers and judges is not helping, either.
    You can't rush these things. It takes time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Again, this is a matter of law enforcement and procedure. Jail guards are likely to be bribed, prison security tends to be lax, facilities are substandard and inhumane. It is only natural for a detainee to wish for freedom. What is unnatural is when those that have the responsibility of guarding them, are instead conniving with them to fulfill that wish too soon..
    So it's not a good idea to risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    I have an uncle in Bicol who was mysteriously attacked and disappeared. His body was never found, we don't even know if he's still alive to this day. The NPA had offered his family their assistance to bring his attackers to revolutionary justice, but they declined, saying they would rather have the perpetrators suffer in prison and reflect on their crime.
    Those perpetrators doesn't need reflection, IMO....they can if they choose to, to reflect for a while until they meet their end in an electric chair or gas chamber or whatever is more humane to society.

    IMO, criminals who have no respect for human life deserves no forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    IMO, criminals who have no respect for human life deserves no forgiveness.
    agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    I don't think it's a more enlightened sense of morals if that is what you call it. Easier said than done, my friend.
    Exactly, but the point is it can be done. It is immensely difficult, but an aggrieved party has the prerogative to feel compassion towards whoever has done him/her wrong. Otherwise, the penal system will stand between the victim and the accused to mete out justice as it deems appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    Most of them we'rent given a chance? You sure? How do you know it's a matter of incompetence?
    Again, the existence of entities such as FLAG and the Public Attorneys' Office (PAO) supports my point. How do you prove otherwise?

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    You can't rush these things. It takes time.
    Precisely. Capital punishment, as so many vouch for it, is little more than a hastily-conceived shortcut in lieu of much-needed reforms in our judicial and law enforcement systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by city
    IMO, criminals who have no respect for human life deserves no forgiveness.
    Forgiveness is letting them go scot-free to continue their lives. Forgiveness is condoning their misguided acts. Forgiveness is not holding them accountable for their misdeeds, which includes giving them the easy way out through death.

    Justice is showing them the error of their ways to correct and reform them.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 20th, 2006 at 05:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Exactly, but the point is it can be done. It is immensely difficult, but an aggrieved party has the prerogative to forgive whoever has done him/her wrong. Otherwise, the penal system will stand between the victim and the accused to mete out justice as it deems appropriate.
    It's immensely difficult because it's against rationality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Again, the existence of entities such as FLAG and the Public Attorneys' Office (PAO) supports my point. How do you prove otherwise?

    are we saying the FLAG and PAo are useless?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Precisely. Capital punishment, as so many vouch for it, is little more than a hastily-conceived shortcut in lieu of much-needed reforms in our judicial and law enforcement systems.
    I don't think so. Capital punishment is to fan-out society rejects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman
    Forgiveness is letting them go scot-free to continue their lives. Forgiveness is condoning their misguided acts. Forgiveness is not holding them accountable for their misdeeds, which includes giving them the easy way out through death.

    Justice is showing them the error of their ways to correct and reform them.
    Forgiveness for those who deserved it.

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