"fake president"

[Mguy]

you know, if you had just made a comment that decency and manners are eroding in American society, i wouldn't have a problem with it. i'd even agree.

Well, I guess that is the message I was conveying, which you have put in a more eloquent terms. It is also happening here, albeit in a faster pace, thanks to the actions of this girl here.

but it's ignorant to say ALL Americans (which, btw, are not just Caucasians - they are also Indians, blacks, latinos, pinoys and other asians who are from here) are disrespectful.

Of course i'm not that ignorant. When I meant Americans, its more like stating the way of life which most (never did I said all) people there adhere to which is freedom of everything without ever thinking about other people.

When Jay Leno called Filipinos monkeys in one episode and cowards in another, surely that is disrespectful but again, that is his thoughts conveyed in a humorous fashion. I had no qualms about that. So can Americans practice generalizations and not anybody else?

[Alpha_One]

In other words, don't draw generalizations about GMA's enemies by the actions of one group or even one person. Just because the communists don't like Imelda, for example, doesn't make her an angel... or all her critics devils.

OT: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[bajumbo]

Be Afraid, be very very afraid!

The Communists are here!!! The commies are here!!!! They are here to brainwash our youth!!!

[NightRock]

Ano kaang feeling ng Parents nya.. at ng BF nya kung meron ma?? or baka pareho sila. sayang pinag aralan nya hindi ginamit sa Tama.. Yan ba ang sinasabi na "Kabataan pag Asang Bayan ??? baka "kabataan pang ASAR ng Bayan"

[Isuzoom]

Shouting, para lang yan sa tindahan, sabungan, rally etc etc...hindi sa graduation rites! Kung ano si Pangilan sa bahay nila wag nyang dadalhin sa graduations bad trip ka sa ibang batchmates mo!! NARIRINIG MO AKO!!!!

[Altis6453]

I'd say that Ms. Pangilinan's acts were indeed out of place and disrespectful. Then again, it is a consequence of a democracy that you have to respect what she says even if what she is shouting is something that you'd oppose at the top of your voice.

I disagree with Mr. De Quiros. Sure, he may think that there what she did was in no way insulting to GMA, but it was downright insulting to the school, parents and graduates who were there expecting to have a simple, if not meaningful graduation ceremony. Taken in that context, maybe she can take her bravado and try to make a positive contribution to society instead of just shouting slogans.

[GasJunkie]

posting with no definite thought in mind :seeingred:

[Isuzoom]

JAY LENO is the MONKEY!!!! peace people!!

[Isuzoom]

Saw Pangilinan sa tv news last night proud na proud si inday instant celebrity na sya...iba talaga andar ng utak ni Pangilinan. I want to see her shouting at MADam Miriam Santiago.

[oldblue]

Saw Pangilinan sa tv news last night proud na proud si inday instant celebrity na sya...iba talaga andar ng utak ni Pangilinan. I want to see her shouting at MADam Miriam Santiago.

kahit sa TV wala man signs of remorse or hiya sa mga naapektuhan nya, imho, people should avoid / be wary of these types. masquerading on the side of the good is worse than those on the unpopular side.

[niky]

kahit sa TV wala man signs of remorse or hiya sa mga naapektuhan nya, imho, people should avoid / be wary of these types. masquerading on the side of the good is worse than those on the unpopular side.

It's not a masquerade. She really believes in what she's doing.

Those are the people who you should really be afraid of. Monomaniacal to the point wherein all other ethical or moral considerations take a backseat to their chosen crusade or mantra.... who have such an insanely strong sense of self-worth, that they're willing to destroy anything and everything else to preserve it, regardless of the consequence to others... people like the aforementioned Miriam Santiago... and Ate Glo...

[oldblue]

It's not a masquerade. She really believes in what she's doing.

Those are the people who you should really be afraid of. Monomaniacal to the point wherein all other ethical or moral considerations take a backseat to their chosen crusade or mantra.... who have such an insanely strong sense of self-worth, that they're willing to destroy anything and everything else to preserve it, regardless of the consequence to others... people like the aforementioned Miriam Santiago... and Ate Glo...

ewan ko pre *niky, pero i always believed na these people who have a strong sense of "idealism" are the first ones whose minds get corrupted. just look at the people entering the police, the military and even some politicians, idealists, principled then they become the opposite of who they were in the long run, kasi nga iba pala talaga ang mundo sa labas.

just like activist students, easily corruptible. why? some "nut" activist teacher/mentor pretending to be righteous, toured her sa mga lugar kung san madami naghihirap at naapi, then he will bombard her mind with how the rich/powerful take advantage of the poor, then the brainwashing begins, kalaban ang gobyerno at ang nakaupo dun. and last but not least, the opposition is your ally.

madali din sya pagpaniwalain di'ba? na G.I. sya Good Influence hehehe the opposite of her classmates Bad Influencing her na mag-cutting classes/mag-drugs.

bali-baligtadin pa din, andali nya ma-brainwash. student pa lang sya ni hindi pa siguro naka-experience mag-work, pero kung umasta kala mo kung sino, pati Presidente tinatalo.

kung insurance ang binebenta ng mga taga-kaliwa at mga militante, andali nya nabentahan

[GlennSter]

ano sabe pare?

[jv20]

i think there is a right place to air her concerns and sentiments.

[konde]

i think there is a right place to air her concerns and sentiments.

sumama sya sa rallies on labor day! dun, magsawa sya kasisigaw hanggang mamaos sya!

[nugundam93]

tomorrow, i'll hijack a space colony, pump nerve gas and kill the inhabitants, and send the colony crashing down to whatever place needs cleansing. :lol:

in the meantime, i'll try to make it through my shift. hahahaha!

oh yeah, it's just a gundam reference about cleansing earth using space colonies.

[oldblue]

tomorrow, i'll hijack a space colony, pump nerve gas and kill the inhabitants, and send the colony crashing down to whatever place needs cleansing. :lol:

in the meantime, i'll try to make it through my shift. hahahaha!

oh yeah, it's just a gundam reference about cleansing earth using space colonies.

moonraker

[niky]

Just until our common enemy is gone, that is... I've never really liked that saying. The historical precedents are depressing... The Allies and Russia against the Nazis, the CIA and Osama Bin Laden vs. the Russians... the US and Saddam Hussein vs. the Ayatollah...

[konde]

here is Winnie Monsod's take on this issue:


Get Real : No role model

First posted 01:51am (Mla time) April 29, 2006
By Solita Collas-Monsod
Inquirer



Editor's Note: Published on Page A12 of the April 29, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer


MUCH has been said about the Cavite State University graduation incident, where Maria Theresa Pangilinan and another graduating student interrupted the ceremonies (and President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s speech) by shouting and waving banners, closely followed by some members of the audience (definitely not parents) doing more of the same.

As usual, sides have been taken along partisan or ideological lines, with those linked to the administration making Pangilinan out to be a heel, a lawbreaker, a criminally inclined individual if not yet a criminal actually, while those linked to the opposition regard her as a heroine, some kind of modern-day Joan of Arc, a role model for the younger generation. I stand somewhere in the middle.

If Secretary Raul Gonzalez had his way, he would throw the book at Pangilinan, citing Articles 153 and 154 of the Revised Penal Code, which penalize those who “cause any serious disturbances in a public place, office, or establishment, or shall interrupt
or disturb public performances, functions or gatherings, or peaceful meetings,” and those who “by the same means, or by words, utterances or speeches shall encourage disobedience of the law or the constituted authorities or praise, justify or extol any act punished by law.” He has pointed out “aggravating circumstances”: where the crime is committed “in the palace of the chief executive or in his presence, or where public authorities are engaged in the discharge of their duties.” Which means that the penalty could be closer to the longer period prescribed by the law, which is from six months to two years in prison.

Chill, Mr. Secretary. In the first place, if you decide to apply those penal code provisions fairly, you are going to have to put in jail almost everyone, including Speaker Joe de Venecia and his pro-Charter-change group, Interior Secretary Ronaldo Puno, Chair Benjamin Abalos of the Commission on Elections and their underlings who have, by their so-called people’s initiative, encouraged disobedience of the law and of the Supreme Court ruling on it. You can’t ignore them while you pick on this 23-year-old youth. That would add “bully” to the list of pejoratives that have been used to describe you.

In the second place, if you lay a finger (figuratively) on that girl, you will be not only blowing the incident out of proportion, but you will be making a martyr out of her. Not only those in her age group, but also parents in general, will be incensed by the heavy-handedness and the bias, starting with the 1,500-odd students who did not join her or applaud her actions during the commencement ceremonies and their parents. They were the ones hurt by the disruption of the ceremonies (certainly not the President, who has been subjected to infinitely more disrespect from her colleagues in politics), but their disapproval will surely turn to sympathy.

But if Pangilinan is no criminal, she is no saint either. No role model is she. Her actions were certainly not well thought out, because she could have achieved her objective (if it was to give maximum embarrassment to the President or to serve as a rallying point for the students, she failed in both) without dissing the parents of the graduating students as well as the ceremony itself. How? It must be remembered that Pangilinan had the opportunity to very effectively put her point across which was not available to other students. One, she was a student regent, and two, she was head of the student government.

As the student representative in the university’s Board of Regents, she was in an excellent position to object to inviting the President as commencement speaker, and she could have had her reasons read into the minutes -- a cold, objective critique, not hysterics. Which would have gotten more attention, and certainly more publicity and respect -- imagine, a student behaving with more dignity and rationality than her elders! Instead, she was silent when the invitation was discussed.

That she would be in the minority is certainly no excuse for not even making her views known (she was in a much smaller minority during the graduation). Because then, she still had a second ace up her sleeve: her position as head of the student government. This put her in a position to lead the graduating students (if they so desired) to protest the invitation -- perhaps even forcing the university to rescind the invitation (or the President to decline). A series of campus protests would have generated the attendant publicity over an even longer period of time, and would have increased respect for her and her kind.

And if the students weren’t with her, a third ace was available in meeting the President’s party in front of the graduation venue with her group (probably left-leaning, from the organizational names), with the requisite banners and chants. That, too, would have garnered publicity, and still have earned respect for her perseverance and principles.

These alternatives were far superior to heckling (it is ironic that for all their anti-American rhetoric, they are slavish in their imitation of American customs). But she chose to do the latter, in the process disrupting a ceremony that for the vast majority of parents attending was the culmination of all their dreams for their children, and spoiling their day.

To top it all, she proceeded to go up the stage and shake the hand of a person she characterized as a liar and a cheat.

Not my idea of a role model.

[empy]

here is Winnie Monsod's take on this issue:

As the student representative in the university’s Board of Regents, she was in an excellent position to object to inviting the President as commencement speaker, and she could have had her reasons read into the minutes -- a cold, objective critique, not hysterics. Which would have gotten more attention, and certainly more publicity and respect -- imagine, a student behaving with more dignity and rationality than her elders! Instead, she was silent when the invitation was discussed.

ganun ba, hehe...

boba talaga pala.