EVAT sa petroleum products dapat nga bang tanggalin?

[Altis6453]

I guess the whole point of the people against the EVAT on oil is that they can't see how or where it's being used by government other than the useless subsidies or doleouts given to a specific segment of society. All sectors, whether rich or poor, middle class, etc. pay for EVAT --- whether it be on oil, electricity, water, telephone services, goods and commodities. Napaka palpak lang dahil walang pakinabang na nakukuha yung talagang tinatamaan ng EVAT, yes, that means the lowly salaried office worker.

Sheesh! Yung iba, bukod sa exempt na from income tax, meron pang "conditional cash allowance galing kay GMA". Ang perang dagdag-bayad mo para sa EVAT sa gas, tubig, telepono, etc. ginagamit na pang allowance sa kuryente ng iba. Hay! Paano aasenso Pilipino?

[Flagg]

...Wala na EVAT, ano na idedemand nila sa gobyerno?

Off with their heads!

[uls]

Heto bro: "SWELDO ITAAS, PRESYO IBABA!!!"

exactly.

Then what?

Price controls?

Govt taking over private enterprise?

[Flagg]

exactly.

Then what?

Price controls?

Govt taking over private enterprise?

Seriously speaking, the only way to fight rising costs is to cut your own costs. So in our country, IMO, the realistic way is to bribe military support away from everyone else so that you don't have to bribe an entire bureaucracy to keep things stable.

Tapos, when the military backing is behind you, use them to destroy all opposition to your cost cutting. Madali lang naman e, reduce the number of people dipping their fingers into the public pie.

Of course, it would take a very patient, forward-looking and ruthless person to achieve what I outlined above. Which is exactly what Lee Kuan Yew did in Singapore. Dami sya pinatay and kinulong noon. Then now, it's his own little kingdom.

[shadow]

actually I really don;t understand paano makakatulong sa mahirap pag alis ng E-VAT? since hinde naman talaga sila apektado ng E-VAT eh, meron bang EVAT sa wet market or sa sari-sari stores?

mas mahihirapan sila dahil saan na kukunin ng Gov't ang pag tulong sa kanila, tama sabi ng isang poster wala naman silang kotse to begin with...

in fact meron na sila subsidy sa electricity "lifeline" something diba? bigas ganun din subsidies ng NFA...so how can the suspension of EVAT help them in any way?

[russpogi]

Check this out:

Teves: Removing E-VAT on oil means less funds for poor
Finance Secretary Margarito Teves warned Tuesday that the suspension of the 12-percent expanded Value-Added Tax (E-VAT) on oil products would mean reduced funding for the government's pro-poor programs.

Besides, Teves said, the power to temporarily stop the E-VAT's implementation does not rest on the executive department but on Congress, which approved an increase in the E-VAT tax from 10% to 12%. The increase took effect in 2006.

"Such proposal, however, would mean P73.1 billion in foregone revenues, which the government could otherwise use to fund programs to help the poor cope with rising oil and food prices," Teves said in a statement.

He also said lifting the extra tax on oil products may be counter-productive in the long run.

"Studies also show that lifting the VAT on oil will largely benefit the rich because they are the biggest consumers of oil, while most of the consumption of poor families are VAT-exempt such as agricultural food products," Teves added.

The VAT is a form of sales tax. "It is a tax on consumption levied on the sale of goods and services and on the imports of goods into the Philippines," according to the Department of Finance. It is an indirect tax passed on to the buyer.

The finance chief said that the government welcomes the opportunity to discuss the issue with critics, particularly the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP).

"We would welcome the opportunity to discuss with CBCP our position on this issue and work with them in looking for ways to alleviate the impact of rising oil and food prices on our people, especially the poor," Teves said.

Mar to the rescue?

Earlier, Sen. Manuel Roxas II said withdrawing the E-VAT on oil products would increase the people's purchasing power, and at the same time, make the Philippine economy more vigorous.

Roxas said lifting the E-VAT on oil means a P6 per liter cut in diesel and gasoline prices and a P66-reduction for every 11-kilogram cylinder of liquified petroleum gas.

"It's a big help if it's given back to the people. The government will not lose the money because people will spend it on other products," the senator said.

Roxas said when the government enacted the E-VAT law, world crude price was at $30 per barrel. At that time, the government's projected additional income from the 12-percent additional tax was $3.60 for every barrel.

With the oil's going rate at the world market at $140, Roxas said the government collects $15 per barrel, which is four times bigger than the projected income.

"It was over the projection. So, the government is collecting too much from oil products. It's about time we return the money to the people. It's not the government's money," Roxas said.

The senator said that during hearings at the Senate, the Department of Finance claimed the government would lose P20 billion in revenues if E-VAT on oil is suspended. He said the amount does not include E-VAT on other products, which amounts to at least P10 billion.

"Maybe, the government will lose only P10 billion. So they can do it," Roxas said, explaining that the amount is still a big boost to the Philippine economy even without E-VAT on oil.

He insisted that the government would help strengthen consumer spending if tax money collected from oil products is returned directly to the people's pockets.

Higher purchasing power, he said, would strengthen the economy.

Government officials have said that suspending E-VAT on oil would weaken the economy. They also said proposals to suspend the E-VAT are actually anti-poor.

Roxas, however, said suspension of E-VAT on oil is "anti-Malacañang politics." He said Malacañang uses the money collected from oil E-VAT to project a "Robin Hood" image, claiming it uses E-VAT collections to help the poor.

"Malacañang wants a culture of doleouts," he said.

'Text power'

Roxas said the Senate has already finished hearing his proposal to temporarily suspend the 12-percent E-VAT on oil products. However, he said the measure, which amends national economic policy, needs to be supported by another measure from the House of Representatives.

The senator said his proposed measure may remain a proposal with Malacañang's strong stance against the suspension of oil E-VAT.

"We all know the House will only move on Malacañang's signal," he said. "So what we really need is to open Malacañang eyes."

He urged the public to send text messages to their congressmen and force them to act on a House proposal that suspends E-VAT on oil.

"Maybe we can text our congressmen and tell them to cut VAT on petroleum products," he said.

Review E-VAT, oil law

On Monday, Catholic Church leaders added their voice to mounting calls for a review of government economic policies in the wake of increasing prices of oil and basic commodities.

At a press conference, CBCP president and Jaro Archbishop Angel Lagdameo said he supports calls for a review of the Oil Deregulation Law and the E-VAT "out of sympathy to the poor."

Militant groups have been seeking a repeal of the Oil Deregulation Law and the E-VAT, arguing that these are two major reasons for the increase in prices of petroleum products.

"We agree that there should be an economic review of policies and laws that affect the prices of goods. Because in any increases in the prices of commodities, the ones who suffer most are the poor," Lagdameo said.

Asked separately by abs-cbnNews.com/Newsbreak if he would push for the repeal of the Oil Deregulation Law and the E-VAT, Lagdameo said: "We don’t have the specific details that is why we are pushing for a review."

Lagdameo said one provision that could be included in the E-VAT law is the exemption of senior citizens. Essentially, he noted that the 20-percent discount accorded to senior citizens is reduced to only 8-percent when the 12 percent E-VAT is factored in.

- With a report from Aries Rufo, abs-cbnNEWS.com/Newsbreak

Source:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage...StoryId=124444

[uls]

Seriously speaking, the only way to fight rising costs is to cut your own costs. So in our country, IMO, the realistic way is to bribe military support away from everyone else so that you don't have to bribe an entire bureaucracy to keep things stable.

Tapos, when the military backing is behind you, use them to destroy all opposition to your cost cutting. Madali lang naman e, reduce the number of people dipping their fingers into the public pie.

Of course, it would take a very patient, forward-looking and ruthless person to achieve what I outlined above. Which is exactly what Lee Kuan Yew did in Singapore. Dami sya pinatay and kinulong noon. Then now, it's his own little kingdom.

Yes the govt cannot sustain the cost of subsidizing the poor.

Even if the govt gives them what they want, they just keep asking for more.

And their numbers keep on growing.

It's simply unsustainable.

Sooner or later the govt will shift funding away from subsidies... and into the police and military.

Coz when the subsidies end, magkakagulo yan.

The govt will need the manpower and equipment to deal with the mayhem.

[morrissey_05]

for oil products YES, but for the other goods and services, NO.

EVAT should have been implemented side-by-side with a serious campaign to increase revenue collection on other sources. that will really keep our credit ratings up. also, a serious campaign against graft and corruption. but in a country like ours, malabo na mga to.

also, why not higher sin taxes?

[170kphlang]

amp, kaya lalo tinatamad at namimihasa karamihan sa mga nabibigyan ng subsidies dahil umaasa nalang sila sa bigay ng gobyerno at ayaw nila pagtrabahuhan yun.

parang sa Bible, ewan ko lang kung saan dun pero diba sabi "teach them how to fish" hindi yung give them something. langya di na kayo bata para bigyan pa ng pera.

[CVT]

We are not ready to be a "welfare state"! Ano sila,- hibang?

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