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    Reincarnation/reimbodiment/being born again is biblical. At least, there is one instance where a man died and was reborn again. (the story of Elijah the prophet and John the Baptist.)

    2kings 2:11 – Elijah is taken up to heaven

    Mal 4:5 – before the great and terrible day of the lord comes, I will send you the prophet Elijah

    Sirach 48:10 - you (Elijah)are ready to appear at the designated time..
    (Apocrypha/deuterocanonicals)

    Matt 11:14 – john is Elijah.. whose coming was predicted
    Matt 17:12 – Elijah has already come

    Mark 9:13- Elijah is already come

    I presented these verses to a priest and a JW and both gave ludicrous answers (palusot). I mentioned that if they deny these verses, it means that Jesus is a liar. Puro palusot.com

    Elijah lived more than 800 years before John.

    If this is not reincarnation/reimbodiment/being born again, what is it?
    Last edited by pyramid00; May 13th, 2014 at 12:50 PM. Reason: spelling

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    so who were you in your past life?

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    So heaven is not real since everyone is reincarnated back instead of going up there or down there...
    Last edited by Monseratto; May 13th, 2014 at 02:42 PM.

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    reincarnation is going back on a different form..... parang tao ka dati and babalik ka as langgam.
    in the case of john and elijah, no... its not reincarnation..

    The Bible is clear that John was given his role because he came into the spirit and power of Elijah (Luke 1:17), not because he was Elijah. John was the forerunner who points the way to the arrival of Christ in the NT which was the same role that Elijah did in the OT. Also, Elijah appeared with Moses during the transfiguration. Kung si Elijah si John, malamang, hindi pwede yun, o ang makikita ng mga apostles ay si John na putol ang ulo.

    Lastly, John denied that he was Elijah (john 1:19-23).

    Generally, the Bible opposes reincarnation.

    Anyway, kung totoo ang reincarnation, pag nauna ako. Magpaparamdam ako dito, whatever form it is....
    Last edited by 1D4LV; May 13th, 2014 at 02:18 PM.

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    masama dyan pag balik mo lamok ka na.. hehehe 1 araw lang buhay non diba..

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    kung totoo reincarnation bakit dumadami yun population dapat same number lang dahil meron namamatay at bumabalik

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1D4LV View Post
    reincarnation is going back on a different form..... parang tao ka dati and babalik ka as langgam.
    in the case of john and elijah, no... its not reincarnation..

    The Bible is clear that John was given his role because he came into the spirit and power of Elijah (Luke 1:17), not because he was Elijah. John was the forerunner who points the way to the arrival of Christ in the NT which was the same role that Elijah did in the OT. Also, Elijah appeared with Moses during the transfiguration. Kung si Elijah si John, malamang, hindi pwede yun, o ang makikita ng mga apostles ay si John na putol ang ulo.

    Lastly, John denied that he was Elijah (john 1:19-23).

    Generally, the Bible opposes reincarnation.

    Anyway, kung totoo ang reincarnation, pag nauna ako. Magpaparamdam ako dito, whatever form it is....
    the bible was concocted and authored by man, just read it for what it is, good story telling.

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    Pumasok kayo sa Beerhouse... Doon,- maraming nare-reincarnate..


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyramid00 View Post
    Reincarnation/reimbodiment/being born again is biblical. At least, there is one instance where a man died and was reborn again. (the story of Elijah the prophet and John the Baptist.)

    2kings 2:11 – Elijah is taken up to heaven

    Mal 4:5 – before the great and terrible day of the lord comes, I will send you the prophet Elijah

    Sirach 48:10 - you (Elijah)are ready to appear at the designated time..
    (Apocrypha/deuterocanonicals)

    Matt 11:14 – john is Elijah.. whose coming was predicted
    Matt 17:12 – Elijah has already come

    Mark 9:13- Elijah is already come

    I presented these verses to a priest and a JW and both gave ludicrous answers (palusot). I mentioned that if they deny these verses, it means that Jesus is a liar. Puro palusot.com

    Elijah lived more than 800 years before John.

    If this is not reincarnation/reimbodiment/being born again, what is it?
    Even if John the Baptist was 'reincarnated', we have to look at it on how it affects Christianity. It does not change the fact that John, whether he was Elijah or not, pointed to Jesus as the Son of God. Elijah, in Hebrew, Eli' jah, meaning, my God is Yahweh only substantiates the fact that the prophet Elijah pointed to a living God, while John the Baptist pointed to a God Incarnate, the Son of Elijah's God, Jesus, His Son. Therefore, to dwell on the point of whether John was Elijah or not misses the whole point of the Gospel, which is to validate and point to Jesus, the one who was prophesied by the prophets in the Old Testament, and has become God Incarnate in the New Testament.

    Even IF there was reincarnation in Christianity, it also does not mean the same reincarnation as with Hinduism because in Hinduism it assumes that you become something else in the next life because of your deeds in the previous life. This reincarnation concept has a certain inconsistency because it begs the question of where one's life started. It assumes a finite number of people or animals, say 1 billion, when we know for a fact that population's started small, not big. It begs the question of origin---how did it all start? Was there any 'first births' if everyone /living thing was reincarnated i.e. if today's population were 1b, then where did the 200m come from if last year was 800m? What or whose previous lives did they come from?

    On the other hand, the term being 'born again' means something different too. It is not necessarily re-incarnation. The meaning of re-birth can be found in John 3 where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus. Jesus meant that there were two births---the first is the physical birth which we all experience, and there is the second birth, the birth of the spirit. Being born again, therefore means being born of the spirit (John 3:5) because as we come to the end of our lives, there will also be two deaths, the physical death, and the spiritual one, if we were not 'born again.' If you read further in John 3, Jesus sums it up in John 3:16 completing the picture for us, saying that God loves us, sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. Because he who believes is now born of the spirit, he will not experience the spiritual death, hell, or eternal damnation. His spirit will live eternally. It is a promise that Jesus himself proclaimed.
    Conversely, if we do not accept Jesus as the Son of God and savior, we will experience this spiritual death, hell, or eternal damnation.

    Hope this helps.

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