Bakit mAHIRAP ANG pINAS

[tidus1203]

^^You nailed it firmly

[gearhead]

I was merely pointing out that there are former colonies that prospered. But, your view's still valid. There are many former colonies that languished after becoming independent.

You've probably noticed it too. But, just about every former colony where the Europeans stayed have prospered: the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Israel, maybe South Africa.

The list of former colonies that prospered without a sizable Anglo population is pretty small: Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia maybe.....

The rest in Southeast Asia, Africa, and South America are a mixed bag of developing countries (including the Philippines) and those in utter poverty.

I'm not sure why the lack of progress. If I knew the answer, I'd be a consultant and I'd be rich. But, I don't. So I can only suggest that internal wars, over-population, corruption, and lack of national unity are some of the bigger causes.

Common sense says to apply scientific methods of analyzing and fixing the problems one at a time. But, there's bound to be political, religious, and social repercussions. Fixing the problems in the Philippines may involve drastic measures such as restraining the Catholic Church and taking them out of politics altogether. Or, a rule similar to China's no more than 2 kids per household policy. It'll take someone with an iron fist to implement such measures and it may get really ugly before progress is made.

Just thinking about it is enough to give me a headache.....

Macau was Portugues

FYI. Seems like Anglo colonised countries tend to have prospered as compared to ex Spanish, French, Dutch, Belgian, German colonies.

Also most developed nations tend to fall in the northern hemisphere with some exceptions.

Is the U.S. totally corruption free? As well as other developed countries? It may not be institutionalised in the small scale as it is here in local govt offices and such yet it does seem apparent that big biz has politicians in their pocket?

[gearhead]

The problem is the goverment on how they govern this country. Instead of focusing there solemn oath to serve the people they are acting like a wild dog. Nakakahiya na.

Does the U.S. government serve the people or the interest groups that put the president in place? Just a question.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Is the U.S. totally corruption free? As well as other developed countries? It may not be institutionalised in the small scale as it is here in local govt offices and such yet it does seem apparent that big biz has politicians in their pocket?

I'd be the first to say, "Of course not". But, there are enough watchdog groups and built-in checks and balances out there.

Plus, there's a real sense of ethics and integrity at the grassroots level. Most people still believe in putting in an honest day's work.

[redorange]

Macau was Portugues

FYI. Seems like Anglo colonised countries tend to have prospered as compared to ex Spanish, French, Dutch, Belgian, German colonies.

Also most developed nations tend to fall in the northern hemisphere with some exceptions.

Is the U.S. totally corruption free? As well as other developed countries? It may not be institutionalised in the small scale as it is here in local govt offices and such yet it does seem apparent that big biz has politicians in their pocket?

Does the U.S. government serve the people or the interest groups that put the president in place? Just a question.

The US isn't a perfect country and nobody here has posted that it is, but why question the US and whether it is free of corruption? Isn't the topic about the Philippines? Yes there are faults to the US and there are lobby groups influencing Washington DC, but does it happen to the extent that it prevents the government from functioning and serving the people? Politicians here get favors from groups all the time but it doesn't affect the daily obligation of the government to take care of it's people. Can you honestly say the same for the Philippines? Let's forget the President of both countries as a point of comparison and go down to the Mayors of the cities. The Mayor in New York was found to have used a prostitute and he resigned his post, can you imagine any Mayor in the Philippines of a major metropolis doing the same? Pigs will fly and hell will freeze before a Filipino politician will resign even when all the evidence points to his mistake, error, or criminal act. As a matter of fact they will run for office again while sitting in prison and people will actually vote for that person.

[gearhead]

^^well the question posed by the TS was why is the Pinas poor and there were some answers from others that corruption was a cause. Am just citing that the developed world is not devoid of corruption and thus it can be a deterrent to progress but is still innate in politics.

were the developed nations clean when they were building themselves to the status they are in now. Not so sure but sometimes we forget that in the Industrial revolution there were children used as labour to work coal mines of europe.

What happened could also be that people moved to industrialization and countries that stayed on the agricultural platform remained poor. So many factors. Now with the dawn of the internet age some are talking of a model that is not the same as t he old industrial model.

Look at china now, it is just what the US was after the war. Manufacturing like crazy for the rest of the world. but now the US has priced itself out of the market and there is no more US sphere like there was after WW2 to take their goods. So china is taking over and consequently getting rich (as a nation and not as individuals). There is a forced national will to get them to the next level as imposed by their leaders. However it is not devoid of corruption as well. And now it is richer than the US. So go figure.

[jpdm]

^What happened could also be that people moved to industrialization and countries that stayed on the agricultural platform remained poor.

Look at china now, it is just what the US was after the war. Manufacturing like crazy for the rest of the world. but now the US has priced itself out of the market and there is no more US sphere like there was after WW2 to take their goods. So china is taking over and consequently getting rich (as a nation and not as individuals). There is a forced national will to get them to the next level as imposed by their leaders. However it is not devoid of corruption as well. And now it is richer than the US. So go figure.

True and factual. based on historical data.

Great Britain (1st industrized country), USA and Canada, Western Europe and Japan started their march to an unmatched modernity and economic progress when they massively industrialized. In some books they call it as ISI-import substitution industrialization from the start of the industrial revolution until the 1950s. By 1960s, they started to export their "dirty and rudimentary manufacturing industries (the start of the EOI-export-oriented industrialization). By 1980s-present globalization or the late industrialization stage, "low-tech industries where exported overseas (the US, UK let go its "low-tech" industries to migrate mostly to the Third World and Commonwealth nations but hold firmly to their high-tech industries i.e. space technology (civilian and military satellites , aircraft/airplane (civilian and military, military hardware, nanotechnology, genetic engineering (stem cell?gmo?), pharmaceuticals (rare diseases).


Tayo sa Pinas, we have remained a wannabee....feeling computer age pero di naman....we cant even build our own mouse or keyboard....

I think we need to modernized (aka mechanize) our agriculture first (just like what North America and Europe did) and develop our manufacturing capability. With this , ga-garduate talaga tayo sa pagiging mahirap.


Universally, this is the accepted paradigm...

Economic development is the key to poverty eradication. Economic development is synonymous with industrial development ( industrialization). Industrialization means modernization and prosperity.

[jpdm]

^What happened could also be that people moved to industrialization and countries that stayed on the agricultural platform remained poor.

Look at china now, it is just what the US was after the war. Manufacturing like crazy for the rest of the world. but now the US has priced itself out of the market and there is no more US sphere like there was after WW2 to take their goods. So china is taking over and consequently getting rich (as a nation and not as individuals). There is a forced national will to get them to the next level as imposed by their leaders. However it is not devoid of corruption as well. And now it is richer than the US. So go figure.

True and factual. based on historical data.

Great Britain (1st industrized country), USA and Canada, Western Europe and Japan started their march to an unmatched modernity and economic progress when they massively industrialized. In some books they call it as ISI-import substitution industrialization from the start of the industrial revolution until the 1950s. By 1960s, they started to export their "dirty and rudimentary manufacturing industries (the start of the EOI-export-oriented industrialization). By 1980s-present globalization or the late industrialization stage, "low-tech industries where exported overseas (the US, UK let go its "low-tech" industries to migrate mostly to the Third World and Commonwealth nations but hold firmly to their high-tech industries i.e. space technology (civilian and military satellites , aircraft/airplane (civilian and military, military hardware, nanotechnology, genetic engineering (stem cell?gmo?), pharmaceuticals (rare diseases).


Tayo sa Pinas, we have remained a wannabee....feeling computer age pero di naman....we cant even build our own mouse or keyboard....

I think we need to modernized (aka mechanize) our agriculture first (just like what North America and Europe did) and develop our manufacturing capability. With this , ga-graduate talaga tayo sa pagiging mahirap.


Universally, below is the accepted paradigm...

Economic development is the key to poverty eradication. Economic development is synonymous with industrial development ( industrialization). Industrialization means modernization and prosperity.

China is using using this formula to the hilt, from a Third World nation to a manufacturing power house.......

China officially is the second largest economy in the world dislodging its arch-enemy Japan (pero bakit di kasama sa G7)

[A121]

Tayo sa Pinas, we have remained a wannabee....feeling computer age pero di naman....we cant even build our own mouse or keyboard....

er, we are making RF and wireless modules. ODM ata sila.
http://www.eazix.com/index.htm

The problem really lies on conducting business here.

[jpdm]

er, we are making RF and wireless modules. ODM ata sila.
http://www.eazix.com/index.htm

The problem really lies on conducting business here.

That's good!

OT

just an inquiry, is Neo (laptops)Philippine-made ?I've heard from the news they are assembled in Pasig and Neo is a local brand.

Alot of my friends are using Neo laptops (prices around 32,000 pesos and up). Ok daw ang performance.

Siguro nga, focus lang Pinoy kayang umahon sa hirap.