Atheists and theist

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the created and the uncreated; made and unmade.


Creation, according to an atheist: “ In the beginning, there was nothing. After 14 billion years, there will still be nothing; nothing begets nothing”

Creation according to a theist: “In the beginning, there was something, then, something created everything.”
(Something is a convenient word for the great source, nature, the unseen power, super consciousness or God. )


Consider my wrist watch, I know that it was created/made by someone or a group of people.

The heavens, with the billion stars and galaxies, was made by an unseen hand; giving it the beauty
and harmony that even the hardened astronomers express their awe in wonder.

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isa lang term dyan intelligent design.

yan naman mga atheist bobo talaga mga yan hindi naman science yan eh , pag sinabi ang utak walang laman ano ibig sabihin nun nothing. eh silamga atheist puro basing on nothing. eh di hindi sila science kasi mga scientist utak may laman

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theist: god or gods created everything. but doesn't know who created those god/s god can't pop out of nowhere LOL

atheist: god doesn't exist. still doesn't know what created our known universe

but as science improves the atheist gains more and more knowledge. while the theist is still stuck in the stone age still not knowing who created god

now please don't say god created himself coz that's the most retarded thing you could say

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atheist try to prove nothing haha

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Best explanation... Colbert is a Roman Catholic btw...

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If it was really is creationism. this so-called intellegent being has so far been really incompetent one.

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Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official) - YouTube

This is a nice debate about creationism.

I liked the argument of Ken Ham (pro-creationism) that the term "science" has been hijacked by the anti-creationism.

[niky]

The difference between an atheist and a theist is that the former knows for certain what he doesn't know, while the latter is confident that he knows it anyway.

Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official) - YouTube

This is a nice debate about creationism.

I liked the argument of Ken Ham (pro-creationism) that the term "science" has been hijacked by the anti-creationism.

It's ironic, that Intelligent Design has hijacked the word "Intelligent".

Creationism is not a thing. It's not a science. It's not a valid theory for anything. It's a fairy tale, with long and convoluted self-referencing arguments built around it to support it.

The Vatican has already declared that Genesis is not to be taken literally, but allegorically.

Scientific consensus only supports that which is backed by evidence. And evolutionary theory is backed by historical/paleontological evidence, as well as by laboratory studies and modern day case studies looking at ongoing evolutionary action.

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If a better explanation is found, then it will be accepted. Though this is highly unlikely. The statement: "Fitter organisms survive to pass on their traits to their offspring" is about as basic as "things fall down when you drop them."

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The difference between an atheist and a theist is that the former knows for certain what he doesn't know, while the latter is confident that he knows it anyway.

haha but it's a bit more nuanced than that. the sophisticated atheist is still partially agnostic. while the theist is 100% sure

that's the difference between a mind that's open to evidence and one that's totally closed

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Creationism is not a thing. It's not a science. It's not a valid theory for anything. It's a fairy tale, with long and convoluted self-referencing arguments built around it to support it.

Isn't this true for 'science' as well? Proteins floating in an ocean eons ago in a 'primordial soup' suddenly burst into life? Fairy tale? [emoji3] nobody can prove it. Nobody has evidence of it. Nobody can replicate it.

*buti pa nga theists in this respect at least they believe what they believe...live and let live kung baga unlike some athiests who try to shove their beliefs down your throat e wala naman evidence sa life coming from non-life. Bottomline belief lang din naman kasi hindi naman proven fact yan.



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Best explanation... Colbert is a Roman Catholic btw...

how about NDE? how does one explain that?

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[niky]

how about NDE? how does one explain that?

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Oxygen starvation leading to erratic neural activity.

Anyone with sleep apnea can tell you how vivid and real your dreams become when you can't breathe in your sleep.

Isn't this true for 'science' as well? Proteins floating in an ocean eons ago in a 'primordial soup' suddenly burst into life? Fairy tale? [emoji3] nobody can prove it. Nobody has evidence of it. Nobody can replicate it.

*buti pa nga theists in this respect at least they believe what they believe...live and let live kung baga unlike some athiests who try to shove their beliefs down your throat e wala naman evidence sa life coming from non-life. Bottomline belief lang din naman kasi hindi naman proven fact yan.



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No they don't "suddenly burst into life". It took a very long time for organisms to develop. We have proof that organic molecules and organic precursors can form and have formed off of Earth. We also understand how these molecules can and do assemble into coherent membranes.

Basically, organic molecules are like LEGO blocks which can "snap" together in certain orientations. Think of magnetic building blocks. Mix them together in an organic soup for billions of years and there's bound to be some sort of organization. Any form of organization that perseveres and then replicates will spread, eventually.

Admittedly, there are many steps that still have to be fleshed out, but scientists have recreated many of the steps needed for abiogenesis. It's too much to ask that they complete all the steps. You can't compress a billion years of evolution into a single lifetime.

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Also... theists don't shove their beliefs down people's throats? Are you kidding me? Bibles for Marawi? The Spanish Inquisition? The colonization of the Philippines? Have you never actually LISTENED to the sermons in a Catholic Church where they lambast the Born Again and Protestants? (I have and do, because my Mother is Protestant) Are you not aware of the movement in the US to introduce Creationism into classrooms?

SOME Atheists proselytize. But this is the truth: Our concept of the beginnings of life is incomplete, and scientists will admit that there is much they don't know. But they will state what they do know. And this is what's taught in schools. Trying to shove alternate explanations down our childrens' throats without any proof or rational theoretical framework teaches them magical thinking. Not logic.

Simple lang yun. Parang math. Show your solution. Scientists do. If you can't understand the solution, then study the science until you can.

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Fair enough. It took a long time IF it did happen. And yes, proteins snapping into each other like lego, yes it happens. But an organic membrane suddenly coming into life...that's not 10 billion years. That's a singular moment when something not live became alive. Also i think you are confusing this with evolution. Evolution can explain changes through time...it cannot explain origins.

And why the double standard? Science like the rest is an 'incomplete' explanation. Who knows when it can be completed...if it at all when you have scientists who can't agree up until now if one egg a day is better for you than 1 egg a week. Whose science is correct then? If you are to teach logic and reasoning and math and sciences and the arts and literature...why not theology?

The inquisition...the spanish colonization. Come on. That's not theists forcing their beliefs. That's a few people who used religion as a tool for power and control.

Oxygen starvation leading to erratic neural activity.

Anyone with sleep apnea can tell you how vivid and real your dreams become when you can't breathe in your sleep.



No they don't "suddenly burst into life". It took a very long time for organisms to develop. We have proof that organic molecules and organic precursors can form and have formed off of Earth. We also understand how these molecules can and do assemble into coherent membranes.

Basically, organic molecules are like LEGO blocks which can "snap" together in certain orientations. Think of magnetic building blocks. Mix them together in an organic soup for billions of years and there's bound to be some sort of organization. Any form of organization that perseveres and then replicates will spread, eventually.

Admittedly, there are many steps that still have to be fleshed out, but scientists have recreated many of the steps needed for abiogenesis. It's too much to ask that they complete all the steps. You can't compress a billion years of evolution into a single lifetime.

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Also... theists don't shove their beliefs down people's throats? Are you kidding me? Bibles for Marawi? The Spanish Inquisition? The colonization of the Philippines? Have you never actually LISTENED to the sermons in a Catholic Church where they lambast the Born Again and Protestants? (I have and do, because my Mother is Protestant) Are you not aware of the movement in the US to introduce Creationism into classrooms?

SOME Atheists proselytize. But this is the truth: Our concept of the beginnings of life is incomplete, and scientists will admit that there is much they don't know. But they will state what they do know. And this is what's taught in schools. Trying to shove alternate explanations down our childrens' throats without any proof or rational theoretical framework teaches them magical thinking. Not logic.

Simple lang yun. Parang math. Show your solution. Scientists do. If you can't understand the solution, then study the science until you can.

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Fair enough. It took a long time IF it did happen. And yes, proteins snapping into each other like lego, yes it happens. But an organic membrane suddenly coming into life...that's not 10 billion years. That's a singular moment when something not live became alive. Also i think you are confusing this with evolution. Evolution can explain changes through time...it cannot explain origins.

And why the double standard? Science like the rest is an 'incomplete' explanation. Who knows when it can be completed...if it at all when you have scientists who can't agree up until now if one egg a day is better for you than 1 egg a week. Whose science is correct then? If you are to teach logic and reasoning and math and sciences and the arts and literature...why not theology?

theology. you're kidding right? give me one example of theology's contribution to knowledge in the last 300 years. wala zero

it would be nice if so-called theologians once in a while release things like computers, or anti-lock brakes. pero wala eh. sorry theology is just monkey business

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Ilan religious threads na closed ng mga mods dahil sa paikot-ikot na argument... Mods please do thy bidding. No popcorn this time.

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The fact that there are very few (if any) top-tier elementary schools that aren't catholic schools goes against the claim that "theists don't force religion down your throat".

Xavier, ICA, Ateneo, La Salle, Assumption, Miriam, St. Paul. Aren't all of them catholic schools?

I can only think of UPIS as the non-catholic school that is of good quality although arguably the aforementioned private schools are still better.

And even in a non-religious setting, religion is still deeply ingrained in our curriculum. In PSHS we still had Values Ed which was basically Christian Living with a new name. Morality still wasn't separated with religion.

Only when I got to college (ironically in a Jesuit university) were we really able to thresh out the two. And even if we had theology classes, it was never about indoctrinization. Heck, my Muslim friend appreciated Christian theology because only the universal principles of human decency are discussed and not in the usual sanctimonious manner.

I heard the other famous priest-run university isn't as liberal with their teachings.

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Xavier and Ateneo are Jesuit run, so they are a little liberal...

The fact that there are very few (if any) top-tier elementary schools that aren't catholic schools goes against the claim that "theists don't force religion down your throat".

Xavier, ICA, Ateneo, La Salle, Assumption, Miriam, St. Paul. Aren't all of them catholic schools?

I can only think of UPIS as the non-catholic school that is of good quality although arguably the aforementioned private schools are still better.

And even in a non-religious setting, religion is still deeply ingrained in our curriculum. In PSHS we still had Values Ed which was basically Christian Living with a new name. Morality still wasn't separated with religion.

Only when I got to college (ironically in a Jesuit university) were we really able to thresh out the two. And even if we had theology classes, it was never about indoctrinization. Heck, my Muslim friend appreciated Christian theology because only the universal principles of human decency are discussed and not in the usual sanctimonious manner.

I heard the other famous priest-run university isn't as liberal with their teachings.

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And even in a non-religious setting, religion is still deeply ingrained in our curriculum. In PSHS we still had Values Ed which was basically Christian Living with a new name. Morality still wasn't separated with religion.

Only when I got to college (ironically in a Jesuit university) were we really able to thresh out the two. And even if we had theology classes, it was never about indoctrinization. Heck, my Muslim friend appreciated Christian theology because only the universal principles of human decency are discussed and not in the usual sanctimonious manner.


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Atheism and Morality
Atheism and Morality - YouTube


Dr Ravi Zacharias: morality and the unbeliever
Dr Ravi Zacharias: morality and the unbeliever - YouTube

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The Backwards Brain Bicycle - Smarter Every Day 133 - YouTube

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