4 big myths of Book of Revelation

**zap.FREEDOM** · April 25th, 2012 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by uls

lahat ng era meron interpretation

sa Gulf War 1.0 (Saddam annexing Kuwait) may preachers nagsabi Armageddon na daw yan

so ano na?

yan ang problema pag masyado fanatic. lahat ng nangyayari sa mundo may meaning. nabasa kasi nila sa bible ganito ganyan. so when they watch the news or read the papers lahat may kahulugan

= maraming naguguluhan.

**Monseratto** · April 25th, 2012 10:30 PM

Same thing with Nostradamus, the fanatics/conspiracy theorist kuno try to connect his quantrains after the fact...

Especially the 666. Pati si Ronald Reagan or anyone with six letter names tinatawag na Anti-Christ.

**galant E SS** · April 25th, 2012 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by uls

believers have an answer for that

Man was created to be perfect... to live forever in the Garden of Eden

Adam and Eve were given free will and they chose to eat the forbidden fruit which caused them to fall. they became mortal. imperfect

one thing i learned about arguing with believers is never ask them those "if God is perfect then why..." questions. like if God is perfect and all powerful why didnt God just destroy Satan? they always have answers for questions like that

get believers out of their comfort zone

what were their answers to this question: "if God is perfect and all powerful why didnt God just destroy Satan?"

"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in Him would not perish but will have an evelrlasting life." - Why was it necessary for Jesus Christ to suffer and died on the cross if God can just forgive us all through the snap of his finger. How about those who lived in isolated places or our forefathers who worshiped the sun, moon, and anitos before the Spaniards introduced Christianity to our country, did they all go to hell because they don't know the one true God? Why is it that the Bible verses and other Holy scriptures of the major religions were all written in Jerusalem/Middle East Asia? Christians, Muslims, Jews and other Abrahamic religions claimed that God have direct communications with Abraham, Moses and the like more than 2000 years ago, why God did not do the same to Chinese, Filipinos, Americans, Greeks, Europeans and other people in other parts of the world during those times. Why do God no longer communicate with us in this modern times? If a person claim to have seen God and talk with him in this modern days, people will think that he is insane.

These issues and many others make it really hard to understand God. But I still go to the church and sometimes pray thinking that what if God is real and when I die, what if eternal life/ eternal damnation is true?

**Monseratto** · April 25th, 2012 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by galant E SS

what were their answers to this question: "if God is perfect and all powerful why didnt God just destroy Satan?"

"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in Him would not perish but will have an evelrlasting life." - Why was it necessary for Jesus Christ to suffer and died on the cross if God can just forgive us all through the snap of his finger. How about those who lived in isolated places or our forefathers who worshiped the sun, moon, and anitos before the Spaniards introduced Christianity to our country, did they all go to hell because they don't know the one true God? Why is it that the Bible verses and other Holy scriptures of the major religions were all written in Jerusalem/Middle East Asia? Christians, Muslims, Jews and other Abrahamic religions claimed that God have direct communications with Abraham, Moses and the like more than 2000 years ago, why God did not do the same to Chinese, Filipinos, Americans, Greeks, Europeans and other people in other parts of the world during those times. Why do God no longer communicate with us in this modern times? If a person claim to have seen God and talk with him in this modern days, people will think that he is insane.

These issues and many others make it really hard to understand God. But I still go to the church and sometimes pray thinking that what if God is real and when I die, what if eternal life/ eternal damnation is true?

Religion "rewards" these things to believers only after death: reincarnation, 70 virgin women or everlasting life. Too bad nobody ever came back to say if it's really true. Religion cannot stop contradicting itself, because it was never meant to explain things as they are.

**galant E SS** · April 25th, 2012 11:09 PM

^ I'm also thinking about that.

**ghosthunter** · April 25th, 2012 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Monseratto

Religion "rewards" these things to believers only after death: reincarnation, 70 virgin women or everlasting life. Too bad nobody ever came back to say if it's really true. Religion cannot stop contradicting itself, because it was never meant to explain things as they are.

How can muslims be sure that all those 70 virgins are women?

**pop3corn** · April 26th, 2012 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by galant E SS

"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in Him would not perish but will have an evelrlasting life." - Why was it necessary for Jesus Christ to suffer and died on the cross if God can just forgive us all through the snap of his finger.

medyo OT na lahat tayo sa thread na'to. but I'll answer this. first, do not imagine God as a father like our dads or something to that effect. He gave his only begotten son - only means he sacrificed what is considered during those times the greatest sacrifice a man can do in his life - sacrifice his own son. in God's context, as a supreme being, what he truly sacrificed was his pride. He is our creator and yet he assumed our human form, lived as one of us, persecuted and killed like one of us. to a supreme being or our creator, that can be the greatest humbling sacrifice ever kasi nga our God is truly a proud God as was portrayed in the Old Testament. in the New Testament, he had a change of heart and still wanted to save us for nth time bec. he Loved us over all his creations.

For us to truly respect or understand him, He did that humbling move. yun lang yun.

Bible Scholars, Constantine and Holy Roman Empire only realized this divine move but not after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but after a period of dissent / wars with the early Christians.

now alam ko medyo lito ka pa, there is no 3 God. jesus Christ is also God, the Holy Spirit is also God. God is one. so kung iniisip mo na sina-crifice nya si jesus na anak nya, sya din yun.

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regarding Satan naman, he cannot banish him bec. he doesn't truly exist as a monster or a lord demon waiting for us to sin and fail, and then he'll snatch our souls. Satan is just the symbolism of evil. or to make it simpler, our other side, our dark side. each one of us is capable of doing both good and evil. he gave us free will for us the decide for ourselves but the side effect of such free will is its capacity to question God himself. parang Freedom yan, the Govt. provided us freedom to live freely and productively, but instead ano ang ginagawa ng tao, they use the same freedom to attack the govt. that granted that freedom in the first place.

**ghosthunter** · April 26th, 2012 01:00 AM

If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God? Was Jesus praying to Himself?

**pop3corn** · April 26th, 2012 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God? Was Jesus praying to Himself?

yes. good question. remember the time during his last breath and he prayed: Father Forgive them etc" and then there was some form of lightning sa heavens. he was just talking to himself. now why would he do that? is he schizo or something?

to the angry people who witnessed that fateful event, that is easily comprehendable. he did nothing godly and instead he became a man. sya naman nag-sacrifice.

If jesus or God acted the same thing as the old testament God ( like how he often humiliated /corrected Moses and Abraham or whoever prophet), during the crucifixion event, (maybe zapping some roman soldiers) ano ang maging difference noon sa old him. the message of the New Testament is love. God , our creator, the supreme being of the universe, humbled himself before us bec. he loved us .,. bec. he wanted to save us.

why do we need saving? and from whom? from himself bec. that time he is losing faith in us and wishing to end us all na talaga. (like what happened in sodom and gomorrah).

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eto na lang ghost, gawin mo na lang example ang jupiter / saturn, since mahilig ka naman manood ng discovery, hindi ba't lagi tinatamaan ng heavenly objects ang jupiter. your scientists even compute na it's 1000 times the magnitude of hiroshima. kaya nga baku-bako ang mukha ni Jupiter eh. pero tayo, do you even wonder why? out of a million heavenly objects, bakit wala buma-bagsak sa'tin? even nasa admits they can only track only 1% of those heavenly objects with their existing equipments. pero kita mo, our planet survives out of every 365 days a year revolution around the sun. there is divine hand that's helping us, keeping us safe for us to live a life a purpose, na he too is excited to witness. space is the biggest dog eat dog jungle out there and yet we're here, safe. dun pa lang dapat magtaka ka na. why are we treated extra special vs. the other 8 planets. statistically what are the odds? pero kita mo we are here. para na nga lottery winners na tayo compared to other planets eh

**marg** · April 26th, 2012 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by pop3corn

do you even wonder why? out of a million heavenly objects, bakit wala buma-bagsak sa'tin? even nasa admits they can only track only 1% of those heavenly objects with their existing equipments. pero kita mo, our planet survives out of every 365 days a year revolution around the sun. there is divine hand that's helping us, keeping us safe.

Every now and then, God misses a few Tennis Balls.