2nd Impeachment vs. GMA, trashed

[cyrusblutrooper]

last airing ng debate sa Channel 7 pinag debatihan nila kung bakit na busura yung impeachment ni GMA ang arguments ay: inayos ba ang administrasyon o palapak ang oposisyon?.
BTW convincing ang administration sa debate nasapawan nila ang pro-impeachment. what's your take on this?

[1D4LV]

last airing ng debate sa Channel 7 pinag debatihan nila kung bakit na busura yung impeachment ni GMA ang arguments ay: inayos ba ang administrasyon o palapak ang oposisyon?.
BTW convincing ang administration sa debate nasapawan nila ang pro-impeachment. what's your take on this?

as i've expected....

[j_avonni]

It's a number game - whether the complaint is full or lack in substance.

[swordsman]

at the end of a very long process and very long debates....comes the counting of the hands. e sino pa ba mananalo, e di yong mas marami. di na yata uso talaga ang prinsipyo at kung ano ang tama sa kongreso. paramihan na lang ng bilang.

ilan na nga ulit naipasa nilang batas ngayon taon??

[putalittlemore]

at the end of a very long process and very long debates....comes the counting of the hands. e sino pa ba mananalo, e di yong mas marami. di na yata uso talaga ang prinsipyo at kung ano ang tama sa kongreso. paramihan na lang ng bilang.

ilan na nga ulit naipasa nilang batas ngayon taon??

yup, at the end of the day it is still money over everything...

[CVT]

Oo nga, parang showbiz telenovela ang iginagalaw ng mga public servants natin.

Sayang lang ang ibinabayad natin sa kanila. Puwede bang i-terminate ang mga damokles na yan?

[mazdamazda]

at the end of a very long process and very long debates....comes the counting of the hands. e sino pa ba mananalo, e di yong mas marami. di na yata uso talaga ang prinsipyo at kung ano ang tama sa kongreso. paramihan na lang ng bilang.

ilan na nga ulit naipasa nilang batas ngayon taon??

the opposition in Erap's time was able to do this... why not the current opposition?

[nerbyoso]

the opposition in Erap's time was able to do this... why not the current opposition?

because the current opposition includes erap's group.

[niky]

There was quite a bit of political opportunism and side-switching at the time, including the very high-profile defection of Manny Villar. The thing is, nobody dislikes GMA enough to perform such a risky maneuver.

And the case against Erap had a very difficult time going through a pro-Erap Congress, and then was completey trashed by a pro-Erap Senate committee... hence EDSA Dos, the resignation (or non-resignation) of Erap, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

There is a move to legislate side-switching out of existence... GMA's allies are trying to put the Liberal Party's move to side against them in a bad light. And while we have an anti-Gloria Senate, she holds all the cards in Congress, and there isn't enough motivation for the Congressmen to switch sides at this point.

Markedly, this: Enough people in power disliked Erap enough to jump on the bandwagon and kick him out. Not enough of the right people see any political gain in removing Gloria, thus they're staying put. In other words, impeachment is not a matter of due process, but a show of political power. In either case (GMA or Erap), it has always been a farce.

I still think she's getting off too easy, but if the process cannot prosper, then so be it. It's just another sign of how little check and balance means in Government nowadays anyway.

And there is something in the fact that it's Erap's people who are heading the present impeachment move. Not a lot of people are comfortable in allying themselves with them.

[yebo]

the opposition in Erap's time was able to do this... why not the current opposition?

the opposition during erap's time had more than the required 1/3 of sitting congressmen which automatically submitted the complaint to the senate. also the speaker was manuel villar, who became anti-erap overnight (he was aiming for something higher and what better to ride the waves than to jump a sinking ship). that was why the impeachment complaint against erap did not have to go through the process of justice committee hearings. all the opposition then had to do was get the required number of signatures, villar bangs the gavel and that was it.

today's congress has less than 1/3 opposition members (i think the magic number is 79, there are less than 70 congressmen in the opposition). and the speaker is joe de venecia, who wants to take advantage of gma's situation to be able to advance his interest - shift to parliamentary system. di kasi siya pwede maging president by direct vote so he will do everything to become prime minister since he knows he can always bribe his peers into making him king. he saw an opportunity in gma's predicament and now gma is dancing to his tune of shifting to a parliamentary system. and the congressmen who want to extend their terms (most of them are on their 3rd and last term) are more than happy enough to bow before their leader (de venecia, not gma!)

gma is being held hostage by her own party, and by the military that learned its lesson well. either gma supports the shift in type of government or she gets impeached. either she cowtows to the all out war policy of the afp (especially the assasinations being carried out by palparan's agents) or they widraw support. her choices are limitted to being a puppet or be in jail next door to erap. imho, she deserves every bit of headache she has now. buti nga! i hate cheats, i hate people who steal, and most of all i hate liars!

[mazdamazda]

If they really want to impeach GMA, they should have gotten their act together by gathering new & LEGAL evidence / witnesses. That would have even convinced administration allied lawmakers to even look at the new impeachment complaint.

What those nincompoops at the opposition did was to just rehash the old impeachment complaint. Naturally it will be junked out immediately due to "insufficient substance".

[Bogeyman]

Ayan tuloy, maghihintay na naman sila ng isa pang taon.

[nugundam93]

again, talo pa rin ang mamamayan. sa halip na nagtatrabaho sila dahil pinapasweldo natin ng ating buwis, ano ginagawa nila? tinatalangka nila ang isa't isa.

[kimpOy]

oo nga same pancit iniba lang ang luto...

[CoDer]

oo nga same pancit iniba lang ang luto...

Yep! next year palabok naman. :eat:

[cyrusblutrooper]

kung iisipin natin kung bakit madaming congressmen ang nasa administrasyon at kung ipagpapalagay natin na huwad ang ating administrasyon bakit kaya sila ay kakampi parin ng administrasyon wala bang sariling paninindigan o di kaya talagang walang saysay ang mga pinagsasabi ng mga oposisyon kaya hindi sila nakaka paghimok ng ibang congresista. sa atin ito bumabalik, itong mga congressmen ay inilagay natin sa puwesto. kaya sa susunod na halalan, mag isip tayo sa atin din ang balik nito.