Servicing cylinder heads & leaking gaskets

[S-works]

magandang gabi po sa inyo, at sana mabigyan nyo ako ng kaunting advice sa problema ko

my truck is an '02 ford ranger 4x4, w/ about 33,000 kms na...and for the third time since december, nagkaroon sya ng overheating problem. having brought this unit to ford makati for service twice na for the same problem in 4 months, i needed a second opinion na so i went to ford connecticut.

after about 45 minutes with the engine running with the mechs looking at the engine from different angles, na tancha ko na di nila alam kung anong problema ng sasakyan ko. susuko na sana ako... tapos may biglang dumating na tech support from FPG, at pinabukas nya radiator cap ko...pina-start engine ko...tapos napansin nya nag tatapon ng tubig ang radiator sa top pag tinapakan ang accelerator. ang duda nya, may leak galing sa makina at posibleng warped cylinder heads, or leaking cylinder gaskets, or both.

may nakita rin akong thread tungkol sa overheating dito, at base dun sa isang post, maaring totoo yung suspecha ng taga FPG (sigh). nalulungkot ako kasi, eto ang estimate ng casa:

cylinder head assembly - 49,5000
cylinder head gasket - 3,200
labor - 10-15k depende sa aktwal na problema

pag warped ang cylinder head, puede naman daw i-machine shop kung di pa ganun ka grabi ang pagka-warp nya, at kung sa ganun, mabawasan naman daw ang gastos ko.

ang mga tanong ko sana ngayon:
1) sa labas ng mga ford service centers, meron ba kayong ma-recommend na shop na magaling sa ganitong klaseng trabaho?

2) kung sakali man may ipapalit na pyesa (cylinder heads or gaskets), meron bang ibang outlet ng original ford ranger parts na mas mura?

3) sabi ng ford connecticut, kung ma-machine shop pa ang pyesa, sa Precision machine-shop daw nila ipagawa....magaling ba yung shop na yun?

kung may advice kayo mabigay tungkol dito...maraming salamat in advance!

[Mojo]

02 pa lang?

casa Maintained ba?

pwede ka ata mag reklamo sa unit mo na bat 33k km palang wasak na if casa maintained sya.

pero pag di casa maintained, medyo mahirap.


May nakausap ka ng Abogado? U said 3rd time na nag ooverheat, di naman normal sa sasakyan mag ooverheat, maski ano angle tingnan natin, kung nun una overheat mo pinaayos o pinasok mo sa casa, lalo lalakas case mo against them. Bat di nila naayos before?


Some vehicles may 3 year or 100km warranty.

[S-works]

02 pa lang?

casa Maintained ba?

pwede ka ata mag reklamo sa unit mo na bat 33k km palang wasak na if casa maintained sya.

pero pag di casa maintained, medyo mahirap.


May nakausap ka ng Abogado? U said 3rd time na nag ooverheat, di naman normal sa sasakyan mag ooverheat, maski ano angle tingnan natin, kung nun una overheat mo pinaayos o pinasok mo sa casa, lalo lalakas case mo against them. Bat di nila naayos before?


Some vehicles may 3 year or 100km warranty.

mojo,

Yes casa maintained sa Ford Makati, pero tapos na ang warranty dahil 2 yrs lang ang ford. regarding naman sa abogado, naisip ko rin yun...at tuloy pa rin ang pag-iisip.

[jasonub]

what a piece of s$#%*!

2.2 li engine ba ito? kasi kung ganoon pareho lang dapat yan ng mazda. daming piesa sa labas. It should not have done that. Further if the problem was existing during the warranty period, you should insist that they fix it since they have not entirely fixed the problem during the period.

A devils advocate/ lawyer can help you with this if they still refuse to fix it for free

[jmj74]

try to have a second opinion to other casas, baka much lower sila mag estimate.

if ever sa labas ng casa ka magpagawa, try mo pa check sa CASTROL GTX PLAZA in congressional qc.

their shopped is well quite equipped. goodluck

[VONO]

tama sila ask for atty assistance at magsecond opinion ka .... i think cylinder head gasket lang yan same case nangyari sakin sa pajero ko nagoverheat at tumatapon yun tubig sa radiator when your stepping on the accelerator sabi sakin ng mechanic palitan na yun cylinder head gasket at itop overhaul na din daw kasi may singaw na yun valve ko pero 2 years pa lang na gen overhaul makina ko at 50k pa lang millage nagamit ko so i decided to change mechanic at pinagawa ko sa OTO pwesto dyan sa congresional 3.5k price for the labor of changing my cylinder head gasket at A1 condition na uli pajero ko ... i save more or less about 18k for the top overhaul

[S-works]

tama sila ask for atty assistance at magsecond opinion ka .... i think cylinder head gasket lang yan same case nangyari sakin sa pajero ko nagoverheat at tumatapon yun tubig sa radiator when your stepping on the accelerator sabi sakin ng mechanic palitan na yun cylinder head gasket at itop overhaul na din daw kasi may singaw na yun valve ko pero 2 years pa lang na gen overhaul makina ko at 50k pa lang millage nagamit ko so i decided to change mechanic at pinagawa ko sa OTO pwesto dyan sa congresional 3.5k price for the labor of changing my cylinder head gasket at A1 condition na uli pajero ko ... i save more or less about 18k for the top overhaul

vono,
interesting case mo ha...tanong ko lang, do you like to run your paj at high speeds? like between 120-150 kph? i often run at these speeds when travelling to the provinces. puede kaya yun ang dahilan? anyway, thanks for the tip. makadalaw nga sa OTO na yun

jmj74,
thanks for the referral din! kung may phone number kayo sa branch na yun, malaking tulong na yun. salamat uli!

jasonub,
man, 2.5L intercooler turbo diesel ito na ranger...and yes, sa tingin ko rin di pa dapat to mangyari. akala ko pa naman matibay ang diesel (sigh) but this is my first diesel, at dahil masarap ihatak ang ranger na to, malakas ang loob ko sa highway hehehe...guess i was wrong sheesh...

palagay ko rin lemon tong unit na to hehehe. alam nyo ba, naka 12K km na ako, tsaka ko nalaman na wala palang LSD yung unit ko when it should have! buti na lang pumayag lagyan ng LSD ng ford makati so ngayon meron na at hindi ako na-charge for it.

anyway, latest is this...ford makati acknowledged that this shouldn't be the case, at gagawin nila daw with a substantial discount sa quote nila originally. with my experience with them sa LSD, baka ma-solve din problema ko without spending too much....sana! sabi ng isang foreman nila sa service, na maari i-machine shop lang ito tapos palitan yung mga gaskets. tingnan natin...

[S-works]

so far, ford makati has agreed to not charge me for the replacement parts and service.

have to say ford mkti's customer service has not let me down yet, thank God! but we're still working on getting a good trade-in arrangment. I can't bear the thought of selling this unit out, then having something go wrong again with the new owner sheesh! better it stays with ford, at sila na bahala...anyway, pls wish me luck!

[ARB]

TFR also has the same problem with his ford ranger! i think he replaced the cylinder head with a surplus one.

[TFR]

TFR also has the same problem with his ford ranger! i think he replaced the cylinder head with a surplus one.

Nope!!!! I cant find a surplus head. Had to buy a new one. Mazda b2500 WL engine, direct from japan. The ford head is made in thailand. Big difference in quality. Have to shell out 50,000 pesoses for that. And ford alabang did not give any concern for it. Mine also cracked at 35,000km. According to AER they have already handled several rangers having the same problem :down: .

You are lucky S-works that ford makati did not charge you anything.
Headache talaga tong sasakyang to. Ang dami ko problems, I could go on an on about the problems, susp, fuel economy, rattles, brakes, etc. Wala naman kaming na encounter na ganyan sa ibang pick ups namin. Haayyy.. Lemon lang talaga nakuha namin at inferior ang build quality ng ranger. Kaya kungbibili kayo pick up. Hi-lux na lang. kahit mas mahal its worth it. O kaya D-max, or strada, basta wag na ranger. Ayaw ko na tuloy ng ibang ford vehicles kahit d ko pa na try yung iba. Service sucks!!!

[TFR]

BTW AER serviced my Ranger. Their sta rosa shop are also the ones who do the machining for ford alabang. Kaya pag sinabi sa inyo na shop nila gagawa. wag kayo maniwala, wala silang shop, AER din yon.

[OTEP]

AER (automotive engine rebuilders) can to the job. They rebuilt the engine of the Mitsubishi Canter we use in Community Medicine. I'm not sure how much it will exactly cost.

Gather a second opinion to see if you really need head work.

[S-works]

TFR,

Naku, mukhang hindi pala ako nag-iisa dito! Bro, why don't you try and fight it out w/ your dealer? Maybe I'm talking too soon but my hopes are up that they will allow me to return the unit, put a FAIR cash value on it, and use that to partially pay for a Ford vehicle of my choice. Balak ko nga Escape eh...la na ako talagang tiwala sa diesel engine ng Ranger.

I was actually hoping to get the ranger fixed, then sell it sa open market....tapos get a different make. but like i said, if more problems come out later dahil sa 3x na siya nag overheat, i don't want to have to face the heat...even if Ford puts a warranty on the fix.

so medyo stuck ako with ford on this one. am just hoping my next ford lives up to my expectations. so far wala pa naman akong nabasang downside sa Escape 4x4...except the gas consumption hehehe.

bottom line, ayoko na yung unit ko, dahil tancha ko lemon talaga siya. i have a friend, naka 120 kms na siya sa ranger XLT 4x4 niya, and not a single problem. but that unit was made in Thailand...eh yung akin, made in the Philippines. just hope that isnt the reason dahil made in the Phils din ang Escape di ba? basta, my fingers are crossed

[TFR]

Hmmm!! Escape? Not that I'm sour graping, but the person who I bought the cylinder head from carries ford and mazda parts told me that escape have clutch problems daw. I have not verified this since I dont own an escape. Maybe you can ask some escape owners about this.

I have tried asking ford about my problems loooong time ago. No response. labo no? Di bale.. Im 1 less customer. I hope that their unhappy customer accumulate!!

[yebo]

so kung ganyan ang ranger then so too is the everest?

[ARB]

sorry thought it was a surplus head, ouch 50k! heard stories about the reliability problems nga of rangers. that why its called a FORD.

F - Fix
O - Or
R - Repair
D - Daily

[enot]

i think ford everest is made in thailand, same as ranger.

escape, tribute, lynx and mazda car na lang yata ang assembled in pinas ngayon and soon yung focus.

[S-works]

TFR,
yup that was the 2.0 liter auto trans...so underpowered kaya madali masira yung tranny niya. kaya daw lumabas ang 2.3L. i know of a group of guys who experienced the same problem at almost the same time and complained to Ford. Ford took the units back and gave them good deals on the Everest...but don't know how many took up the offer.

Enot,
yup, currently ranger & everest are made in thailand, but my unit was part of the batch that was made here...then in '03 (if my information is correct), binalik yung ranger sa thailand.

[enot]

tama sir yung info mo.
naghati kasi ng market ang ford phil and thailand.
thailand yung gumagawa ng pickups tapos philippines yung lynx market.
sana matulungan ka pa rin ng ford makati.
i tried to forward your query sa fmcp para malaman din ng plant yung problem mo so that the latter will try to coordinate with the dealer. sana nga ganun ang mangyari.

i'm with ford before nga pala.
nagforward lang ako ng attachments ng page ng thread mo sa kanila to inform them.

[S-works]

tama sir yung info mo.
naghati kasi ng market ang ford phil and thailand.
thailand yung gumagawa ng pickups tapos philippines yung lynx market.
sana matulungan ka pa rin ng ford makati.
i tried to forward your query sa fmcp para malaman din ng plant yung problem mo so that the latter will try to coordinate with the dealer. sana nga ganun ang mangyari.

i'm with ford before nga pala.
nagforward lang ako ng attachments ng page ng thread mo sa kanila to inform them.

enot,
thanks a lot! any help i can get on this will help...at sana maganda ang katapusan nito. some people have problems with them pero for me, ford makati's customer svc naman has been very supportive...kahit noon pa. they certainly make up for any problems i've encountered sa tech svc nila.

but i still can't forget that 16 days na since i left the unit at ford mkti (sigh)....i mean, nothing was wrong with my money right? wala namang depekto ang pera ko di ba? at bayad na siya right? they owe me that's for sure