LPG Jeepney for cleaner public transportation?

[GTi]

Even by today's rapidly improving tech? I see... What about integrating solar panels to the e-jeepneys for range extending and constant recharging? Would that work?

[ghosthunter]

Even by today's rapidly improving tech? I see... What about integrating solar panels to the e-jeepneys for range extending and constant recharging? Would that work?

The added cost of the panels will not gain the e-jeepney any performance benefits. Even if you install all 12 panels on an e-jeep, it will only increase its operating time by under an hour at best. So instead of just 6 to 8 hours, it can drive for additional 30 to 45 minutes.

Given at each panel might cost P12,000... 12 panels will already cost P144,000 pesos (not including costs for the power controller, installation, etc). And honestly, the roof of the e-jeep is too small to hold all of them. Add the problem of theft and/or vandalism.

If you want to range extend the e-jeep, it would be more cost efficient to add more batteries or upgrade to more efficient electric motors or add regenerative braking (but the system controller for that will be expensive too).

All of those issues and more than been debated to death in the e-jeepney thread if you care to read through it.

[badkuk]

so ultimately it's their pockets and not their conscience that drives people to go LPG. Oh well, so long as we get there...

So these engines are 100% LPG, or the diesel-LPG type?



re solar power...don't get me wrong, it would be great if they can make it work, but imho we're just at the stage where we can make a vehicle that can pull one person; PUVs will need to handle upwards of 20 people.

[ghosthunter]

So these engines are 100% LPG, or the diesel-LPG type?

100% lpg. Basically they are gasoline engines that are fully converted to run on LPG only. Everything has been optimized for LPG use including changes in ignition timing, fuel delivery, etc.

[uls]

so ultimately it's their pockets and not their conscience that drives people to go LPG. Oh well, so long as we get there...

yes of course

why shift to LPG if the price of diesel is close to the price of LPG?

it's only when the diesel becomes too expensive that people begin thinking about alternatives

kaya wala mangyayari sa alternive energy pag mababa presyo ng crude oil

the only way alternative energy will take off is when crude oil gets too expensive

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solar panels?

for what? to power what? to charge batteries?

are we talking about electric jeepneys?

BTW, sino operator ng PUJ bibili ng solar panels?

gaano katagal mababawi yan?

headlight nga lang ayaw paganahin

[uls]

The 24-seater LPG jeepney was fitted with a brand new engine made by a reputable Japanese engine manufacturer.

^^

oookaay

show me a jeepney operator who is willing to invest in a brand new engine

that's like what? P250,000 to P300,000 for the engine palang

wala pa doon ang cost of conversion, then yung gagastusin pa sa rehistro

press releases are great

we'll see if this takes off

[Wh1stl3r]

If the government doesn't make drastic steps to support LPG and make it viable for PUV operators it won't happen. There's still the issue of whether there are enough service stations to support regular routes. It's a shame, LPG is much cheaper than diesel now.

My uncle works for a company that makes equipment for CNG powered buses and trucks. He told me they never even considered entering the Philippine market because government will never do anything to support it. If you go to Japan, Korea, the US and Canada they're already using CNG which requires much more specialized storage and delivery due to much higher pressures involved.

Dito LPG pa lang di na magawan ng paraan. Siguro if diesel prices reach really prohibitive levels magiging mas interesado na ang mga operator sa LPG. If only Euro 3 diesel was the only diesel allowed maybe it will happen sooner.

[uls]

If the government doesn't make drastic steps to support LPG and make it viable for PUV operators it won't happen. There's still the issue of whether there are enough service stations to support regular routes. It's a shame, LPG is much cheaper than diesel now.

My uncle works for a company that makes equipment for CNG powered buses and trucks. He told me they never even considered entering the Philippine market because government will never do anything to support it. If you go to Japan, Korea, the US and Canada they're already using CNG which requires much more specialized storage and delivery due to much higher pressures involved.

Dito LPG pa lang di na magawan ng paraan. Siguro if diesel prices reach really prohibitive levels magiging mas interesado na ang mga operator sa LPG. If only Euro 3 diesel was the only diesel allowed maybe it will happen sooner.

nakita mo naman what happened to the CNG buses

the govt asked investors to bring in CNG buses and promised investors that they'll take care of the CNG infrastructure

ano nangyari? wala

ipit ang mga nagparating ng CNG buses

our govt is good at press releases

pero pag dating sa implementation....

kaya skeptical ako sa mga ganyan

LPG jeepneys?

who are the people behind that?

syempre the people who have something to sell

they built a sample unit and declared it's the future of the PUJ

really now

how are they gonna make PUJ operators buy what they're selling?

will PUJ operators buy what they're selling?

i don't think so

you can force them

the govt comes up with emissions standards so strict that all diesel PUJs will fail

the operators will be forced to buy new engines

scenario: lobbyists from the private sector ask the govt to phase out PUJs with old diesel engines

pwede ba yan? hindi ba the PNoy admin is supposed to be incorruptible?

we'll see what happens

[GTi]

Hmm... Best bet nga nila very strict emissions testing. The LPG jeepney won't click because there are limited fueling stations and the e-jeepney in its current form won't click because jeepney drivers don't drive for just 6-8 hours a day, many drive round the clock! Hopefully, the Noynoy administration will be able to pay more attention to these things being a petrolhead himself. Anyone care to write a letter to our esteemed president?

[ghosthunter]

The LPG jeepney won't click because there are limited fueling stations...

There are already many Auto-LPG stations along the major transport routes in Metro Manila. These already service the many taxi cabs plus the numerous private vehicles converted to run on Auto-LPG.

It is a good bet you simply don't notice the LPG stations because you don't use LPG for your car.

The LPG jeepney, as the article proposes it, will not succeed but it can give the idea to others to implement on more applicable vehicles of mass transport. Example: Suzuki Multicab.

[uls]

Originally Posted by GTi
The LPG jeepney won't click because there are limited fueling stations...

LPG refilling stations are everywhere

if there's a reason LPG jeepneys won't be replacing diesel jeepneys anytime soon, that won't be the reason

i think the major reason we won't be seeing many LPG jeepneys is the initial cost/investment

jeepney operators aren't liquid multi-millionaires

they don't exactly have P300,000 laying around

though it's clear to them they will benefit from big savings if they fuel up with LPG instead of diesel, the initial cash out for the new engine and other stuff will be a hindrance

unless somebody provides financing

[Kamala]

I think one of the problems is in the financing aspect...Jeepney drivers and operators dont have that much money for a downpayment...i dont know if there's a financing business that offers a program for jeepneys since "high risk" sila in terms of paying, as they say, majority of them are "isang kahig, isang tuka"...a good source of financing support should come from our government, kaso...they seemed not to be serious in lessening the pollution level in Metro Manila..in a few years time, our neighboring countries, even vietnam, will soon overtake us in terms of advocacy, technology, etc....tsk, tsk......

[ghosthunter]

I think one of the problems is in the financing aspect...Jeepney drivers and operators dont have that much money for a downpayment...i dont know if there's a financing business that offers a program for jeepneys since "high risk" sila in terms of paying, as they say, majority of them are "isang kahig, isang tuka"...a good source of financing support should come from our government, kaso...they seemed not to be serious in lessening the pollution level in Metro Manila..in a few years time, our neighboring countries, even vietnam, will soon overtake us in terms of advocacy, technology, etc....tsk, tsk......

Our neighboring countries have long surpassed us while were we busy praising ourselves for doing less than nothing.

Example, Bangkok Thailand has long converted their fleet of tuktuks to clean burning LPG while years later we were still stuck with trying to get rid of 2-stroke engined tricycles.

[fourtheboys96]

Our neighboring countries have long surpassed us while were we busy praising ourselves for doing less than nothing.

Example, Bangkok Thailand has long converted their fleet of tuktuks to clean burning LPG while years later we were still stuck with trying to get rid of 2-stroke engined tricycles.

sad to say, thailand has been ahead of us for many years now.

sayang nga itong LPG-fuel. malaki potential for emission reduction. very mature ang technology. kaso hirap sa gobyerno natin sa una lang magaling. hindi nakakapag sustain ng suporta.

[ghosthunter]

sad to say, thailand has been ahead of us for many years now.

sayang nga itong LPG-fuel. malaki potential for emission reduction. very mature ang technology. kaso hirap sa gobyerno natin sa una lang magaling. hindi nakakapag sustain ng suporta.

Add to the backward trend in the Philippines is the emergence of the motorized pedicab menace. A menace in many different aspects like road rules, road hazards, emissions, vehicle regulation, vehicle registration, vehicle safety, etc.

[uls]

i've read news articles about groups pushing new engines for PUJs

how many PUJs have replaced their japan-used engines with new engines?

some ideas (from govt and private sector) are simply not realistic

sino jeepney operator bibili ng new engine? they won't even replace worn out tires

meron gumawa ng PUJ replacement -- the microbus

well? meron na ba jeepney operator nag invest sa million peso microbus?

how about those new configuration PUJs? yung sa side ang entrance... may aircon pa. may bumili ba?

get real

you can't solve the PUJ problem by offering PUJ operators higher cost alternatives and alternatives that don't make sense.

the ejeepney. it was supposed to replace diesel jeepneys. any jeepney operators out there replaced their PUJs with ejeepneys?

wanna solve the PUJ problem? ban them outright

but that's too unpopular. no politician has the guts to do that

like it or not, PUJs will be around for many more years

[fourtheboys96]

we can't just ban PUJs because the remaining public transportation won't be enough to absorb the displaced commuters.

but I agree we have to something about the PUJs. everything about it should be improved or the PUJs itself should be replaced by something else better.

the program should be viewed in long-term. we cannot overhaul the PUJ sector overnight. but the problem is that our government has not really started a real program regarding this or if they have, they failed to sustain it.

[Ry_Tower]

IMO there is no need to ban PUJ's. But the government must have the balls to strictly enforce upon the operators to replace/overhaul their engines. Kung hindi kaya, wag na bigyan ng renewal ng franchise. Yung mga private car owners ang laki ng cost just to renew and pass the emission standards pero ang daming jeepney na smoke belchers hindi matanggal sa daan. Strong political will lang yan. I'm sure nakabawi na yang mga operators na yan sa cost ng sasakyan. it's time to invest in something that will help the environment. Para sa kanila rin naman ang good effect nyan eh.

[uls]

Kung hindi kaya, wag na bigyan ng renewal ng franchise.

drivers and operators will then protest

mawawalan daw sila ng hanapbuhay

the media will cover the protests and make it look like the govt is anti poor

the protesters will say "Pnoy, kami ang boss mo! Pakinggan mo kami!"

the govt gives in, giving the PUJ operators more time to fix their vehicles

and we never hear about the issue again

I'm sure nakabawi na yang mga operators na yan sa cost ng sasakyan. it's time to invest in something that will help the environment. Para sa kanila rin naman ang good effect nyan eh.

they don't care about the environment

ayaw nila maglabas ng pera

[Ry_Tower]

drivers and operators will then protest

mawawalan daw sila ng hanapbuhay

the media will cover the protests and make it look like the govt is anti poor

the protesters will say "Pnoy, kami ang boss mo! Pakinggan mo kami!"

the govt gives in, giving the PUJ operators more time to fix their vehicles

and we never hear about the issue again



they don't care about the environment

ayaw nila maglabas ng pera

kung gusto may paraan, kung ayaw may dahilan. Gutsy political will talaga kelangan to make this work.