"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[fourtheboys96]

whole life costs? ok... how much will it cost to replace an electric car's battery pack

will the savings from not having to buy gas or diesel enough to offset the cost of a battery pack?

precisely.
I am for low emission vehicles or even electric vehicles but it has to be studied properly.
IMHO, the Philippines does not have to go directly to electric vehicles to make considerable air quality improvements. Just a simple fuel economy standard and strict emission test especially for PUVs will make a huge impact already. And this has been studied by the National Center for Transportation Studies already.

What they are trying to do shortcut the Kuznetz Curve (which my adviser is also trying to tell me). But they have to ask themselves if this is sustainable solution considering all the stakeholders involved.

[uls]

i think this push for electric vehicles has as much to do with money as with being green

the green part is for press releases

China and Taiwan EV/parts suppliers along with their local partners are pushing EVs here coz the Phil. govt is open and receptive to EVs. there's opportunity to make money by taking advantage of the govt's green initiative

[niky]

Limited battery life will add, at a minimum, 1 peso per kilometer to the running costs. If there are issues with battery life due to heat and load or improper charging, make it 2 pesos per kilometer.

That means an overall peso per kilometer cost of 3-4 pesos, still cheaper than diesel by a lot, but remember, we're talking a 9 hp electric versus a 2.5 - 2.8 liter diesel.

[kitsons]

Limited battery life will add, at a minimum, 1 peso per kilometer to the running costs. If there are issues with battery life due to heat and load or improper charging, make it 2 pesos per kilometer.

That means an overall peso per kilometer cost of 3-4 pesos, still cheaper than diesel by a lot, but remember, we're talking a 9 hp electric versus a 2.5 - 2.8 liter diesel.

There's this electric car being sold that has a 15 kW motor. This translates to 20 HP. Wondering how viable is its power train?

Pasted the info on the electric car for your commenting. Notice the load on the electric gadgets of the car:





Electric car in the philippines - http://www.**************/index.php/...ords=car+seats

Description

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This wonderfully made brand new ELECTRIC 5-door spacious FAMILY car 5-seater MPV (medium power version) is a FAST and reliably engineered LONG-RANGE ZERO-EMISSION pure electric vehicle. Our all-Filipino RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT team is now developing a new technology called "range extender" is a proud Filipino invention that will triple the maximum range of our ZERO EMISSION ELECTRIC VEHICLES! Imagine never ever having the need to go to a gasoline station and still go places in total comfort (with an air-conditioner and all its power features) and safety with your entire family! Its coming sooner than you think..

Available colors are: silver, red, white.

Specifications: Both versions have a rated 15Kw/15,000watt highest quality and high power AC 3-phase brushless synchronous induction motor.

The higher version model with lithium-ion polymer battery packs has an electronic battery management system. Lithium ion Polymer battery packs has a much longer charge/discharge cycle life of 2,000 cycles comparing to 800 cycles (typical) for a Dep cell Lead acid battery packs.

Battery packs are in its 80% recharged capacity in 30 minutes or 100% fully charged in 4 hours using our built-in 3-phase high AH/VOLT intelligent fast charger.

option 1: Php specs for standard version EV * Deep Cell lead acid maintainance-free battery packs 140v/160Ah. Since this EV will have a charge cycle of at least 800 and with a range of about 180kms per charge, it will run for at least 144,000 kms before the battery slowly deteriorates. If you drive an average of 50 kms a day (roundtrip Caloocan to Makati), 365 days in a year, your batteries should last for more than 8 years. * top speed: 120kms/hr * acceleration: 0-100kms in 19 seconds * maximum climbing capability with 5 passengers: 30 degree incline * maximum range: 180kms * Meralco consumption when fast charging: 18KW/h

option 2: Php specs for higher version EV * Lithium ion polymer battery packs 140v/160Ah. Since this EV will have a charge cycle of at least 2,000 and with a range of about 180kms per charge, it will run for at least 440,000 kms before the battery slowly deteriorates. If you drive an average of 50 kms a day (roundtrip Caloocan to Makati), 365 days in a year, your batteries should last for more than 24 years. * top speed: 120kms/hr * acceleration: 0-100kms in 19 seconds * maximum climbing capability with 5 passengers: 30 degree incline * maximum range: 180kms * Meralco consumption when fast charging: 18KW/h

features: integrated electric system monitoring screen (monitors battery status, vehicle speed, charging status, , front wheel drive, automatic transmission gear, Integrated electrical system monitoring panel (monitors battery status and vehicle speed), seat-belts, remote lock, adjustable steering column, rear door child protection locks, electronic anti-theft device, cd/mp3 player, central locking, leather seats, leather wrapped steering wheel, dual front seat airbags, electronic abs brakes, electronic brake distribution, disc brakes, coil spring suspension, fog lamps, airbag, electric power windows, radio, remote control door locks, very cold aircon, heater, alloy wheel mags, McPherson suspension system, rack and pinion power steering, hand brake, cd player/am/fm reciever with 5 speakers, regenerative braking system.

[fourtheboys96]

Instead of directly venturing into electric vehicles, why don't we explore Plug-in Hybrid Gas-Electric vehicles?

[ghosthunter]

There's this electric car being sold that has a 15 kW motor. This translates to 20 HP. Wondering how viable is its power train?

Pasted the info on the electric car for your commenting. Notice the load on the electric gadgets of the car:

Electric car in the philippines - http://www.**************/index.php/...ords=car+seats

As much as I would like to support something like this, if the electric car is priced twice as much as it's gasoline powered counterpart, it will never be sold in the quantities that would matter. It will just end up as some sort of "statement" car for a rich "environmentalist" or "green" supporter (who would be using his BMW 5-series when going to his office on his regular work day).

[ghosthunter]

Instead of directly venturing into electric vehicles, why don't we explore Plug-in Hybrid Gas-Electric vehicles?

Cost is one reason. Having two power systems (battery/motor and gasoline engine) makes the vehicle much more expensive.

This direction has better potential for public adaptation IF the retail price is right.

But in the end, it is always about the price.

[ghosthunter]

I am just curious.

How many e-jeepneys have been deployed in the Philippines? (I used "deployed" because it can hardly be called "sold").

I know there are between 21 to 24 units in Makati. A few more in Palawan and a couple in Quezon City.

How about the rest?

[uls]

around a hundred siguro... 200?

well, they're not in the thousands

[ghosthunter]

around a hundred siguro... 200?

well, they're not in the thousands

I am looking for an accurate count.

I doubt if it would breach 100 because there is an article that states the Makati franchise is the bigger electric public transport "franchise" in SEA.

And as mentioned, Makati has only between 21 and 24 units.

[uls]

MVPMAP doesnt say in news reports how many units exactly

based on where ejeepneys are running... Makati, Cebu, Puerto Princesa, Bicol, Lipa, Bangko Sentral, Congress, Ilocos Sur, Pasig, some schools

more or less 100 units

[niky]

55 registered. There are about 100+ units in total. Schools and Malls don't necessarily register their cars for road use.

If all local city governments in the Manila area buy after the tax breaks are legalized... given their budgets... you could add maybe 50 more units to that. That's if. But if the breaks are approved before elections, there's a good chance of that happening.

[uls]

ejeepney people asking the govt for help

E-vehicle backers call for incentives | BusinessWorld Online Edition

E-vehicle backers call for incentives

THE GOVERNMENT must catch up with electric vehicle developments by lifting the tax burden on investments in the green transport sector, industry leaders yesterday said.

Government policies and programs, said speakers at a conference organized by the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Cities (ICSC), are also key to spurring consumers and public transport operators to convert from fossil fuel-powered vehicles, which in turn will cut down carbon emissions.

"The government is two steps behind in helping the electric vehicles sector ... What we need from the government is a serious partnership," said Yuri P. Sarmiento, E-Jeepney Transport Corp. CEO.

He cited the lack of support infrastructure, inadequate policies, manufacturing constraints, and low social acceptance as barriers to the growth of the alternative fuel vehicle (AFV) sector.

The government, Mr. Sarmiento said, can help by supporting a bill designed to give incentives to both electric vehicle makers and owners.

kaya nobody (not even the taipans) went into that business

now they're asking the govt for help

well, they'll get help

the govt has been infiltrated by environmentalists so it's very likely the ejeepney people will get help

[niky]

Well... the government has to put its money where its mouth is. If they want to lower pollution, they'll have to either tax pollution (i.e.: Raise price of diesel through the roof to do carbon-offsetting) or subsidize e-vehicles by simply removing taxes.

Given sales are tiny, the government won't lose that much in revenue by giving tax breaks, so that makes sense. If they were to raise diesel prices to reflect pollution and the cost of carbon-offsetting, the transport groups would be up in arms...

Big problem with tax breaks... paano kaya Motolite? Since they provide batteries for the E-Jeep... what happens when the foreign competitors (like Trojan) get a zero-import-tax benefit?

MVPMAP doesnt say in news reports how many units exactly

based on where ejeepneys are running... Makati, Cebu, Puerto Princesa, Bicol, Lipa, Bangko Sentral, Congress, Ilocos Sur, Pasig, some schools

more or less 100 units

BTW, forgot to mention... MVPMAP did technical support for the E-Jeepney, but the current unit is made by the E-Jeep Transport Corporation. The new Jeep is different from the first model, kaya some of the numbers have changed.

[GTi]

Kumusta naman ang reliability ng mga e-jeeps? Can the drivers do DIY on it? What happens when there is flood? Are the electric engines capable of carrying its full payload up slopes and in speeds typically reached on wide, major city roads?

[niky]

Kumusta naman ang reliability ng mga e-jeeps? Can the drivers do DIY on it? What happens when there is flood? Are the electric engines capable of carrying its full payload up slopes and in speeds typically reached on wide, major city roads?

From experience and from talking to other operators, the motor and controllers themselves are relatively reliable.

The number one problem in terms of reliability is the batteries. Drain them completely, less lifespan. Overcharge them, less lifespan. Overheat them, less lifespan.

It's important to follow a strict charging regiment to ensure maximum life. As such, it's even more important for the operator to follow proper maintenance procedure than with old-school diesels. (With new diesels, it's also expensively dangerous to let the tank go empty... this results in $$$ pump and injector damage.)

[jpdm]

Big Next-Level Push Needed By Local Electric Vehicle Industry


Manila Bulletin
Big Next-Level Push Needed By Local Electric Vehicle Industry | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online


MANILA, Philippines — The electric vehicle industry in the Philippines, being a sunrise industry, needs one big push to bring it to the next level.

This is the assessment of Rommel Juan, president of the Electric Vehicle Association of the Philippines (EVAP), the organization of EV stakeholders in the country.

“Despite various initiatives, mostly by the private sector, we still are not exactly there yet. We still need advancements in EV technology, the right infrastructure specifically charging stations, better batteries and faster-charging technology and most importantly, government support in terms of incentives not only for the manufacturers but for end-users as well”, he says.

Initiatives in electric vehicle in the Philippines were first seen in the early 2000s when enthusiasts started converting AUVs and tricycles to full electric EVs. Different technologies and configurations were experimented upon. A few electric bicycles from China were also brought in. Very little progress was made however and the demand was nil.

It was in the late 2000s when significant developments were seen. With some NGOs and LGUs at the forefront, electric jeepneys, motorcycles and scooters were brought into the country and tested. The Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) was commissioned to locally design, develop, fabricate and assemble the electric jeepney.

Ferdi Raquelsantos, president of both MVPMAP says that today, eJeepneys can be found in Pasig, Quezon City, Cebu, Bicol, Los Baños, Cavite, Iloilo, Cagayan de Oro, Batangas, Palawan, Ilocos region, Boracay and other urban areas. “And we continue to locally design and assemble eJeepneys to a niche market of transport and shuttle service operators”, he says.

Big Next-Level Push Needed By Local Electric Vehicle Industry | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

[jpdm]

Meralco to build e-vehicles


Posted May 25th, 2012
by Alena Mae S. Flores & filed under Business.


Power distributor Manila Electric Co. plans to invest in facilities that will manufacture electric vehicles, chairman and chief executive Manuel Pangilinan said Thursday.

Pangilinan told reporters during the 2nd Philippine electric vehicle summit in Ortigas Meralco was supporting the government’s e-vehicle program not only in terms of supplying electricity but also in investing in vehicle manufacturing.

“Our group of companies are prepared to invest in the downstream manufacturing capability of this industry for the sake of this country. It is better for us to build rather than import these vehicles,” he said.

“We will work with the government…[We will build] the appropriate infra to provide the supply of electricity to these vehicles,” Pangilinan said.

Pangilinan said the plan was to tap a partner who could provide the technical expertise on e-vehicles. “We would like to invest in the manufacturing facilities for e-vehicles in this country, not alone, because we are not in this business as such. We would like to explore joint venture possibilities with Filipino partners in manufacturing e-trikes, e-jeepneys, e-buses,” he said.

He said Meralco had been approached by a number of foreign companies about the possibility of putting up manufacturing facilities for e-vehicles.

“We would like to pursue them [manufacturing]. The Philippines should take the lead in the region in the development of the industry,” he said.

Pangilinan said the company was also strengthening its capability to put up the charging stations needed by the e-vehicles.

One company that has expressed interest in partnering with Meralco is Japanese firm Mitsubishi Motors.

Mitsubishi Motor Philippines Corp. president Hikosaburo Shibata said the car manufacturer was studying the possibility of investing in the e-vehicle industry. “We are looking at prospects of working with Meralco and e-charging possibilities,” Shibata said.

Meralco will take an active role in the development of the industry through partnerships with the Asian Development Bank, other financial institutions and the academe, Pangilinan said.

Meralco to build e-vehicles - Business - Manila Standard Today - Daily news, current events, latest news in the Philippines Sites site

[roman]

Very Significant development indeed.... I hope this vision of Mr. Pangilinan would come into actual fruition.
Good for the manufacturing sector.

[ghosthunter]

Just being realistic, EV technology is not ready. Current technology EV cars will be expensive with limited driving range. Cheaper EV cars will rely on lead acid batteries which are cheaper but very heavy and have low energy density. Early adapters will have forgive a lot of shortcomings which will mean limited buyers for such cars.

The future of electric vehicles is very far in the future. We would be better off adapting LPG or NG as fuel because the technology is here and matured and vehicles does not cost any more than regular cars that use gasoline/diesel.