"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[kitsons]

Given that Makati City doesn't have an ocean conveniently located within it's jurisdiction, I think that idea will have to be postponed until an ocean can be found inside Makati City.




Vertical (or even horizontal) wind rotors would be better utilized to offset the electricity used by the buildings themselves rather than used to generate power to recharge a couple of dozen electric golf carts.

Given that if I was the building owner, I would rather do it that way, unless the Meralco/Napocor would finance the rotors' construction and LEASE the space on the building for the location.




And this is the "preferred" option as mentioned in previous publications about the ejeepney.




Although methane is a greenhouse gas, using it as fuel rather than letting it escape uncontrolled into the environment is a better solution.

The concept is to use existing organic waste, that would otherwise have been thrown into the open landfill, into a bio-digester. In this way, the methane produced can be collected and used as renewable fuel for an electric generator.

You have to remember, an open landfill already releases methane. By reducing the amount of organic waste going to the landfill, you can reduce the amount of methane gas that is released into the environment.

The main problem is to operate the methane gas electric generator setup in an economic and environmentally sound manner. This point has never been addressed.

A friend actually built an sevenstorey high boiler using bagasse to produce steam to run a steam turbine electric generator. It produces 54 megawatts according to him that the plant supplies to the Negros electric grid. He however just burns the bagasse instead of bio-digesting the waste product of sugar making. This process is not as green as bio-digesting since the ash produce that also can be used as fertilizer actually already would be in the chemical type fertilizer as compared to the organic fertilizer produced with the use of bio-digesters.

The downside to industrial sized bio-digesters is that the lead time increases to 15 days minimum before fire ups. Such lead time would constantly occur since maintenance of digester and other parts of the electric generating plant using bio-digesters.

Lead time for smaller bio-digesters comes to around a week that using smaller bio-digesters would be a better option since capital outlay would allow back up systems of perhaps having two ;boilers and two digesters for alternate use and perhaps even two electric generating sets that would already be affordable.

According to an electrical engineer I talked with who works with power generating plants in the Middle East. It takes only a little hp to produce one megawatt of electricity and that one megawatt is enough to power five baranggays. Of hand this makes the probability of using small bio-digesters for providing electricity to charge batteries of e-vehicles.

Again downside is source of organic material enough for continous sustainable operations.

[niky]

Of hand this makes the probability of using small bio-digesters for providing electricity to charge batteries of e-vehicles.

Again downside is source of organic material enough for continous sustainable operations.

Or you could just hook the biodigester straight up to an internal combustion engine...


Harold Bate and his Marvelous Chicken-powered Car

[kitsons]

Or you could just hook the biodigester straight up to an internal combustion engine...


Harold Bate and his Marvelous Chicken-powered Car

Preferable is to make steam for industrial use since there are by products and the heat produced can be more extensively used for maximizing work output in diversified related commercials activities. This would optimize economies of scale.

As to cars being run on alternative fuel, Google "Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy". Do not use Yahoo search engine. I tried it once and the video did not appear.

Another source of free energy but is quite dangerous for humanity is presented in the video "The Missing Secrets of Nikolai Tesla". Tesla's discoveries and inventions medyo can be used for weapons and a true doomsday scenario is workable. The US is presently experimenting on his inventions with the US sponsored HAARP Project.

Nakakatakot since tapping into the free energy can totally catastrophically disrupt world climate.

Medyo sobrang high tech ang inventions presented in these two videos na medyo hindi doable in our present scenario here in RP. Trying though to find way to get in touch with guy who invented the engine for the car neither attaching to any electrical outlet, nor uses water nor petrol nor anything. It just runs and runs. Idea is it taps into free energy found in the quantum mechanics of atoms and molecules.

The guy who was jailed for his invention is worth hunting down and having his invention used here.

The social problem that is foreseen as presented in the zero point video, philosophically is something to ponder on and can be a good excuse not to tap free enregy..

Bio-digesting would be more practical and would hit two birds with one stone eliminating organic waste and same time creating power from a renewable source.

Daming basura sa atin mas lalo na sa may Gatasan Pambansa.

[niky]

The problem is you're converting energy from one form (chemical) to another (heat) to another (electricity). That's two extra steps in which energy is lost.

Better to simply collect enough methane to run a CNG generator. More efficient. And set some aside to run your tractor or automobile, since methane doesn't "go bad" over time like gasoline or diesel.

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Zero point energy is a hoax. Tesla may have been a genius, but he was a mad genius, and many of the claims and statements he made were preposterous, and oftentimes completely off-base.

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While it is true that it might be possible to tap vacuum energy or even use the Cassimir effect to generate "free" energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect), developing the ultra-fine mechanisms and tolerances required for such things are (waaaaay) beyond our current technological abilities.

[ghosthunter]

Guys! Keep it on topic.

Zero point energy modules, matter/antimatter reactors, free-energy generator, cold fusion, Tesla's death ray machine, etc are basically science fiction at this point in time.



Unless you can show us a working model of what you are talking about in your basement or garage of your home, it will be considered off-topic.

[kitsons]

Guys! Keep it on topic.

Zero point energy modules, matter/antimatter reactors, free-energy generator, cold fusion, Tesla's death ray machine, etc are basically science fiction at this point in time.



Unless you can show us a working model of what you are talking about in your basement or garage of your home, it will be considered off-topic.

HAARP Project is a reality and not science fiction anymore but you're right that it is out of topic.

Car running on alternative source of energy and the applicable alternative source of energy for houses presented in 'the race to zero...' though is something to perhaps look into as apparently, this guys have working gadgets that perhaps can be availed off for use here.

[ghosthunter]

HAARP Project is a reality and not science fiction anymore but you're right that it is out of topic.

Car running on alternative source of energy and the applicable alternative source of energy for houses presented in 'the race to zero...' though is something to perhaps look into as apparently, this guys have working gadgets that perhaps can be availed off for use here.

Like I said, this is outside the scope of the topic. If you want to discuss further into alternative power sources, etc, I strongly suggest you start a new discussion thread for that subject matter.

Case closed.

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Moderator's Note:

To everyone:

Any further discussion about zero point energy, etc in this thread will be summarily deleted and infractions issued.

[ehnriko]

The main problem is to operate the methane gas electric generator setup in an economic and environmentally sound manner. This point has never been addressed.

I believe this is a very good point... Didn't they do something like this in Smokey Mountain already?...

[niky]

I believe this is a very good point... Didn't they do something like this in Smokey Mountain already?...

Don't recall.

Apparently, a lot of farmers are doing this... but not on a commercial scale.

For commercial scale applications, you need a lot of space, because it takes two weeks for the mixture to "mature" and produce usable amounts of gas. And with big batches, managing acidity and tank pressures becomes an issue as compared to most farm-level set-ups. Transportation of methane also becomes an issue, as it has to be pressurized for transport... but if it's used for on-site electrical generation and tank heating, it can run itself and still produce a sellable surplus of energy.

What you'd do is institute a full-scale operation, sell the electricity for "e-credits", and redeem them elsewhere in the grid to power your "e-jeeps". Of course, that's if the same company enacts the full-scale methane processing and the e-jeep concern.

You could also use the electricity generated by methane on-site to run a compressor and processor to store methane and sell it for cooking fuel or vehicle fuel. While methane is also useable as CNG, at lower pressures, it can be used to replace LPG in some applications.

[ghosthunter]

For commercial scale applications, you need a lot of space, because it takes two weeks for the mixture to "mature" and produce usable amounts of gas. And with big batches, managing acidity and tank pressures becomes an issue as compared to most farm-level set-ups.

These (among many other issues) makes me wonder if the proposed methane fuel power station to recharge the e-jeepneys will become reality and be economically viable by itself.

We have to remember, for the Makati City e-jeepney project, the ejeeps itself is only HALF of the project. The other critical half is the SOURCE of ELECTRICITY to recharge the entire e-jeepney fleet in Makati City.

We have yet to see that methane fueled recharging station become reality.

Without a clean / green source of electricity, the e-jeepneys are just emitting carbon emissions just like any other public utility vehicle (except it is done at the power stations of NAPOCOR or whoever is supplying the electricity).

[roberto_minosa]

Naku, mas magastos pa lalabas yan per kilometer kung kukuha rin ng kuryente sa Meralco.

[niky]

These (among many other issues) makes me wonder if the proposed methane fuel power station to recharge the e-jeepneys will become reality and be economically viable by itself.

We have to remember, for the Makati City e-jeepney project, the ejeeps itself is only HALF of the project. The other critical half is the SOURCE of ELECTRICITY to recharge the entire e-jeepney fleet in Makati City.

We have yet to see that methane fueled recharging station become reality.

Without a clean / green source of electricity, the e-jeepneys are just emitting carbon emissions just like any other public utility vehicle (except it is done at the power stations of NAPOCOR or whoever is supplying the electricity).

Do note: A methane plant still emits carbon dioxide.

But it's fueled by methane generated from waste. Waste which would just rot and release methane, anyway. And methane is not only poisionous... it is also a greenhouse gas.

Besides... carbon emissions are bunk. This whole carbon hysteria is taking focus away from a balanced approach to environmental conservation and resource management. Instead of chasing after marginal contributors such as carbon emissions, we should be planting trees, conserving bio-resources and looking at real cost-effective methods of off-setting "oil addiction" instead of focusing on a narrow band of "green" solutions merely because they don't use hydrocarbon fuels up-front.

[romski123]

from: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...ity-government

E-Jeepney to be tested by Quezon City Government

By jpatrick7308
Quezon : Philippines | Jul 18, 2010

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Quezon City officials will test- drive two electronically-run jeepneys Monday in a bid to promote and show the public the use of ecologically friendly means of transportation.
The pilot testing of the electronic jeepney, also known as the e-jeepney, is part of the launching of the Project “Hatirang Bayan” of the city’s Environmental Protection and Waste Management Department (EPWMD).
Expected to join the test ride are Mayor Herbert Bautista, Vice-Mayor Joy Belmonte, and members of the city council, some of whom are newly-elected or returning city officials who have claimed their old posts.
New faces and returning members of the city council include actors and now councilors Roderick Paulate and Alfred Vargas both of the city’s 2nd District, broadcaster Precious Hipolito-Castelo also of the 2nd District; businessman Allan Reyes and political scions Eufemio Lagumbay and Gian Sotto of the city’s 3rd District; Anthony “Onyx’’ Crisologo of the city’s 1st District, and come-backing councilor Marvin Rillo.
Immediately after the 8 a.m. flag ceremony, the city officials led by Bautista will ride the 14-seat jeepney at the city hall compound.
Drei Po, acting chairman of the plans and program division of the EPWMD, said that, beginning Tuesday, regular free rides will be available in Barangay Vasra from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m.
The route will be from near the barangay hall to Kalayaan Avenue near the hall of Justice and back.
In the afternoon, the public will continue to enjoy the free service from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. as the e-jeepneys will take the route from Kalayaan Avenue to Elliptical Road, Quezon Avenue, and ending at the Metro Rail Transit’s Trinoma Station on EDSA.
Po said the testing will be done for a month so that the viability, emission testing, health, environment, and economic concerns on the vehicle will be determined before buying of additional units can be determined.
Each unit costs P625,200, but the the local government will not spend a single centavo for the one-month testing period of the present two e-jeepneys.
MD Juan, a local company, is the manufacturer of the vehicle which is also the same unit being used in Makati City, Ilocos Sur and Puerto Princesa, House of Representatives, and Central Bank of the Philippines said that the charging time is between eight and 10 hours for a 55- kilometer drive.
However, a city hall employee said that the Land Transportation Office (LTO) and other concerned government agencies should run after errant emission testing centers allowing smoke-belchers to hit the road.
The city hall personnel, who requested anonymity, said the city government’s e-jeepney program should only be complementary, citing that vehicle owners easily wiggle out of their predicament passing the emission tests effortlessly in exchange for fees.
“Pansinin natin ang mga usok na binubuga ng private vehicles at pampasaherong sasakyan wag na sa EDSA dito na lang sa East Avenue. Grabe ang pollution dahil nalalagyan ang mga tauhan ng emission testing centers (Notice the thick cloud of smoke emitted by the privately-owned and public utility vehicles not on EDSA but only on East Avenue. Pollution is at its worst due to corruption at the emission testing centers),’’ the employee who works for one of the city councilors added.
He suggested that the city government put up LTO-accredited emission testing centers to be manned by incorruptible personnel to ensure that smoke-belching vehicles are kept off the streets.

[April Boy]

Found this in Manila Bulletin

Quezon City Mayor Herbert Bautista drives the newly launched e-jeepney around the city hall Monday to promote the use of low-carbon and non-polluting mode of transport. (Photo by ALI VICOY)

[marg]

UGLY car covered by gaudy paint-job.

65 years since the time of MacAthur, di na nag-improve ang itsura ng Pinoy car. TSK TSK.

[uls]

it's called culture

and tradition

[ghosthunter]

UGLY car covered by gaudy paint-job.

65 years since the time of MacAthur, di na nag-improve ang itsura ng Pinoy car. TSK TSK.

You haven't seen the whole of it.

You should see Mayor Bistek's face magnified and pasted on the sides of the e-jeepney.

Makes you wonder, is he promoting the e-jeepney or himself?

[jpradapena]

Hi guys, need some help,
I'm a graduate student in Urban Planning in vietnam. I am about to embark in my project proposal and would like to get your opinion. Just last month Q.C. has adopted the green movement and have their own E-jeeps now.

My project proposal would involve the University of the Philippines with their private jeepney service and to improve it to E-jeeps through a grant from maybe greenpeace, ADB, WB or such. I would need a survey for the number of Jeeps in the area, the location of stations, routes and stops. The time they would operate and the average income of the drivers.

I would have to devise a plan to pay back the loan... Luckily the gov. also provides free E-jeep rides... Can the city of Q.C. support my project to place a e-charging station in U.P., or maybe even think up of routes inside the school once mechanism are in place... I'm sure I want to do this and I only have 2 months. I've done P.proposals before and I could finish it in a week, ++ with calculations for activities and their benchmarks.

So I would like your opinions if you think it is possible to have E-jeeps in U.P. Dilliman. If i get a positive response, I hope I can continue this project.

Thanks and Regards,
JP

P.S) i'll be returning to the P.I. next week, if there's any information or meetings that would be helpful I truly would appreciate it if you lead me the right direction.

[ghosthunter]

So I would like your opinions if you think it is possible to have E-jeeps in U.P. Dilliman. If i get a positive response, I hope I can continue this project.

It is always possible but making the e-jeepney economically self-supporting is another story. Simple comparison on the purchase and operating costs of the e-jeepney vs a standard jeepney shows it is cheaper to operate a jeepney. It is even cheaper to purchase & operate a multi-cab unit with the same seating capacity.

If you can do a back-read this thread, you can find my doubts on the longevity on the battery. This will have a severe effect on the long term operation because a replacement battery pack (consisting of ten to twelve deep-cycle lead acid batteries) is very expensive.

If you have enough patience, you will also find out that the "promoters" of the e-jeepney have no actual data to estimate the average life of their lead acid batteries.

[romski123]

http://www.ejeepney.org/content/ejee...ut-quezon-city

eJeepneys rolled out in Quezon City!


QC rolls out e-jeepneys on Monday
By CHITO A. CHAVEZ, MANILA BULLETIN
July 18, 2010
Quezon City officials will test- drive two electronically-run jeepneys Monday in a bid to promote and show the public the use of ecologically friendly means of transportation.
The pilot testing of the electronic jeepney, also known as the e-jeepney, is part of the launching of the Project “Hatirang Bayan” of the city’s Environmental Protection and Waste Management Department (EPWMD).
Expected to join the test ride are Mayor Herbert Bautista, Vice-Mayor Joy Belmonte, and members of the city council, some of whom are newly-elected or returning city officials who have claimed their old posts.
New faces and returning members of the city council include actors and now councilors Roderick Paulate and Alfred Vargas both of the city’s 2nd District, broadcaster Precious Hipolito-Castelo also of the 2nd District; businessman Allan Reyes and political scions Eufemio Lagumbay and Gian Sotto of the city’s 3rd District; Anthony “Onyx’’ Crisologo of the city’s 1st District, and come-backing councilor Marvin Rillo.
Immediately after the 8 a.m. flag ceremony, the city officials led by Bautista will ride the 14-seat jeepney at the city hall compound.
Drei Po, acting chairman of the plans and program division of the EPWMD, said that, beginning Tuesday, regular free rides will be available in Barangay Vasra from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m.
The route will be from near the barangay hall to Kalayaan Avenue near the hall of Justice and back.
In the afternoon, the public will continue to enjoy the free service from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. as the e-jeepneys will take the route from Kalayaan Avenue to Elliptical Road, Quezon Avenue, and ending at the Metro Rail Transit’s Trinoma Station on EDSA.
Po said the testing will be done for a month so that the viability, emission testing, health, environment, and economic concerns on the vehicle will be determined before buying of additional units can be determined.
Each unit costs P625,200, but the the local government will not spend a single centavo for the one-month testing period of the present two e-jeepneys.
MD Juan, a local company, is the manufacturer of the vehicle which is also the same unit being used in Makati City, Ilocos Sur and Puerto Princesa, House of Representatives, and Central Bank of the Philippines said that the charging time is between eight and 10 hours for a 55- kilometer drive.
However, a city hall employee said that the Land Transportation Office (LTO) and other concerned government agencies should run after errant emission testing centers allowing smoke-belchers to hit the road.
The city hall personnel, who requested anonymity, said the city government’s e-jeepney program should only be complementary, citing that vehicle owners easily wiggle out of their predicament passing the emission tests effortlessly in exchange for fees.
“Pansinin natin ang mga usok na binubuga ng private vehicles at pampasaherong sasakyan wag na sa EDSA dito na lang sa East Avenue. Grabe ang pollution dahil nalalagyan ang mga tauhan ng emission testing centers (Notice the thick cloud of smoke emitted by the privately-owned and public utility vehicles not on EDSA but only on East Avenue. Pollution is at its worst due to corruption at the emission testing centers),’’ the employee who works for one of the city councilors added.
He suggested that the city government put up LTO-accredited emission testing centers to be manned by incorruptible personnel to ensure that smoke-belching vehicles are kept off the streets. #