"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[uls]

Originally Posted by ghost buster
Lurker for the longest time of this thread. Finally decided to post.

^^

anyone can say that

i can create another account and say i'm a longtime lurker too

Ser, boss, amo, pakibasa itong post na ito para magkaliwanagan na at hindi puro ka hinala. Padalhan mo ako ng email kung gusto mo para mapanatag ka. At sasagutin ko at ayusin ko problema mo sa akin.

problema ko sayo?

i didnt know this was such a big deal para problemahin ko

email kita? for what?

to prove na hindi ka si jpdm/april boy?

anyone can create multiple tsikot accounts using multiple email addresses

an email proves nothing

anyway, if you're not jpdm/april boy, then you're not

it's not my problem

and if you are, it's not my problem either

[uls]

Kaya lang financial component ang no.1 problem namin ngayon.

yeah a lot of people with ideas always hit that roadblock

why don't you ask romski to lend you some units to get you started

then yung kita mo sa pasada ng ejeepney ang pampayad mo sa kanya

[ghosthunter]

Anyway, pinag-aaralan pa rin namin ang e-jeepney.

Para sa akin, maganda ang sinimulan ng mga gumagawa ng e-jeepney tulad ni Romski123.

Ngunit sang-ayon din ako na tugunan din ang mga puntos (o kakulangan ng proyekto tulad ng isyu sa pagkukunan ng koryente at itatagal nito) na binanggit ng mga kritikal sa e-jeepney.

The e-jeepney is not a "perfect" project but a good initiative. Sana ma-improve pa ito lalo upang mas dumami ang gumamit nito.

The e-jeepney route is our target in Marikina City. Our group is trying to study the feasibility of having it in our city center. We want it in the long-term. Kaya lang financial component ang no.1 problem namin ngayon.

If you were to use the e-jeepney as your basis, you can do a financial study in the feasibility of an e-jeepney venture versus more traditional jeepneys (diesel). You can also thrown in jeepneys that use LPG as fuel instead of diesel.

Remember if you choose e-jeepneys, you have to consider more than just the vehicle itself. You have to consider the following:

-recharging station(s)
-replacement and disposal of batteries (deepcycle batteries last around 500 cycles)
-source of electricity that is "green" and NOT Meralco. (If you just get power from Napocor or Meralco, you are just burning coal).

Those listed items will greatly increase the required start up financing you will need.

So if you want something more "GREEN" yet makes better financial sense (not needing to build a whole new electric transport infrastruture), you might want to consider jeepneys with engines made to run on Auto-LPG. Not converting existing jeepneys, I mean brand new jeepneys with LPG-fed engines. The financial start-up cost simply be the LPG-jeepney itself. (No pesky electric recharging stations, no 60 kilometer range limit, no 25kph speed limit, no need to replace a dozen worn out deep-cycle batteries and no problems driving uphill with a full load of people).

The re-fueling infrastructure is already in place. Just check if there are Auto-LPG stations along the jeepney routes (or near to those routes).

All you need to do is design the LPG-jeepneys so that are lighter than existing jeepneys. This can be done by removing as much excess weight. Example, replace the heavy metal roof with a fiberglass version with a foam insulation core. Replace metal fenders and hood with fiberglass too. The aim is a lighter vehicle will use less fuel per kilometer traveled.

BUT that is optional for you.

To simplify starting up this "venture", just get a standard jeepney chassis/body and drop-in a LPG-fed engine and LPG fuel tank.

I am pointing out that the e-jeepney is not the be-all end-all solution for "green" mass transporation. In fact, the e-jeepney is a hindrance for most filipinos to "look-outside-the-box" for more solutions which might be better.

IMHO, electric mass transport vehicles are not yet ready to hit Philippine roads, especially if they come in the shape of the e-jeepney.

[romski123]

All you need to do is design the LPG-jeepneys so that are lighter than existing jeepneys. This can be done by removing as much excess weight. Example, replace the heavy metal roof with a fiberglass version with a foam insulation core. Replace metal fenders and hood with fiberglass too. The aim is a lighter vehicle will use less fuel per kilometer traveled.

hehe good luck with that gh.

Why don't you start something and come up with your own lpg jeepney system. Instead of spending all your time behind your computer bashing other people's initiatives.

[ghosthunter]

hehe good luck with that gh.

Why don't you start something and come up with your own lpg jeepney system. Instead of spending all your time behind your computer bashing other people's initiatives.

*Romski

Aren't you starting to become what you are complaining about? Just another heckler in the cheap seats?

I am not doing it because I prefer to make my money elsewhere. I am not going to push a product using "green" excuses as it's credentials when it is plainly not.

The idea is there for anyone (including yourself) to grab and turn it into reality.

Previous (government sponsored) attempts of doing LPG-Jeepneys have failed because those were converting existing jeepneys to run on LPG. Previous efforts also suffered from the usual PGMA regime financing corruption which cut the number of jeepneys that were supposed to be converted.

The difference here is it will use an engine already meant to run on LPG from the start.

All the Auto-LPG refueling stations are available in the metro.

It wouldn't be far off to use an affordable Suzuki Multicab shuttle with an engine converted to LPG as a testbed for a more wider adaptation.

The general success of LPG-fueled taxi cabs is an indicator that LPG is a possible way for public transport to save money on fuel as well as go a bit greener.

[roberto_minosa]

GH I'm curious.

Are those LPG motors crate engines? Or the usual converted engines like the Toyota 2E?

[ghosthunter]

GH I'm curious.

Are those LPG motors crate engines? Or the usual converted engines like the Toyota 2E?

There are LPG engines we can do without the typical Auto-LPG conversion.

Example: (but it doesn't mean we have to buy these)

http://www.bucksengines.com/lpg-engine.aspx

http://www.directindustry.com/prod/c...78-391409.html

http://www.chinasuppliers.globalsour...LPG-Engine.htm


But it still might be advisable to do standard gasoline to LPG engine conversion simply for long term maintenance issues (like parts and servicing).

[andywesteast]

The general success of LPG-fueled taxi cabs in an indicator that LPG is a possible way for public transport to save money on fuel as well as go a bit greener.

Yup, these LPG taxis have been running and are profitable for the last 25 years in HK.

Tignan mo mga electric jeepneys sa MOA hindi na umaandar after only a year, when their low-tech batteries conked out.

[ghosthunter]

GH I'm curious.

Are those LPG motors crate engines? Or the usual converted engines like the Toyota 2E?

Toyota also makes LPG fueled cars.

http://www.mademan.com/mm/toyota-lpg-cars.html

[ghosthunter]

I made a thread:

LPG for cleaner public transport
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=1#post1578722

All posts about Auto-LPG, send it there.