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October 8th, 2010 03:00 PM #1001Originally Posted by ghost buster
Lurker for the longest time of this thread. Finally decided to post.
anyone can say that
i can create another account and say i'm a longtime lurker too
problema ko sayo?
i didnt know this was such a big deal para problemahin ko
email kita? for what?
to prove na hindi ka si jpdm/april boy?
anyone can create multiple tsikot accounts using multiple email addresses
an email proves nothing
anyway, if you're not jpdm/april boy, then you're not
it's not my problem
and if you are, it's not my problem either
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October 8th, 2010 03:10 PM #1002
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October 8th, 2010 04:51 PM #1003
If you were to use the e-jeepney as your basis, you can do a financial study in the feasibility of an e-jeepney venture versus more traditional jeepneys (diesel). You can also thrown in jeepneys that use LPG as fuel instead of diesel.
Remember if you choose e-jeepneys, you have to consider more than just the vehicle itself. You have to consider the following:
-recharging station(s)
-replacement and disposal of batteries (deepcycle batteries last around 500 cycles)
-source of electricity that is "green" and NOT Meralco. (If you just get power from Napocor or Meralco, you are just burning coal).
Those listed items will greatly increase the required start up financing you will need.
So if you want something more "GREEN" yet makes better financial sense (not needing to build a whole new electric transport infrastruture), you might want to consider jeepneys with engines made to run on Auto-LPG. Not converting existing jeepneys, I mean brand new jeepneys with LPG-fed engines. The financial start-up cost simply be the LPG-jeepney itself. (No pesky electric recharging stations, no 60 kilometer range limit, no 25kph speed limit, no need to replace a dozen worn out deep-cycle batteries and no problems driving uphill with a full load of people).
The re-fueling infrastructure is already in place. Just check if there are Auto-LPG stations along the jeepney routes (or near to those routes).
All you need to do is design the LPG-jeepneys so that are lighter than existing jeepneys. This can be done by removing as much excess weight. Example, replace the heavy metal roof with a fiberglass version with a foam insulation core. Replace metal fenders and hood with fiberglass too. The aim is a lighter vehicle will use less fuel per kilometer traveled.
BUT that is optional for you.
To simplify starting up this "venture", just get a standard jeepney chassis/body and drop-in a LPG-fed engine and LPG fuel tank.
I am pointing out that the e-jeepney is not the be-all end-all solution for "green" mass transporation. In fact, the e-jeepney is a hindrance for most filipinos to "look-outside-the-box" for more solutions which might be better.
IMHO, electric mass transport vehicles are not yet ready to hit Philippine roads, especially if they come in the shape of the e-jeepney.Last edited by ghosthunter; October 8th, 2010 at 05:06 PM.
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October 9th, 2010 12:17 AM #1004All you need to do is design the LPG-jeepneys so that are lighter than existing jeepneys. This can be done by removing as much excess weight. Example, replace the heavy metal roof with a fiberglass version with a foam insulation core. Replace metal fenders and hood with fiberglass too. The aim is a lighter vehicle will use less fuel per kilometer traveled.
Why don't you start something and come up with your own lpg jeepney system. Instead of spending all your time behind your computer bashing other people's initiatives.
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October 9th, 2010 02:59 PM #1005
*Romski
Aren't you starting to become what you are complaining about? Just another heckler in the cheap seats?
I am not doing it because I prefer to make my money elsewhere. I am not going to push a product using "green" excuses as it's credentials when it is plainly not.
The idea is there for anyone (including yourself) to grab and turn it into reality.
Previous (government sponsored) attempts of doing LPG-Jeepneys have failed because those were converting existing jeepneys to run on LPG. Previous efforts also suffered from the usual PGMA regime financing corruption which cut the number of jeepneys that were supposed to be converted.
The difference here is it will use an engine already meant to run on LPG from the start.
All the Auto-LPG refueling stations are available in the metro.
It wouldn't be far off to use an affordable Suzuki Multicab shuttle with an engine converted to LPG as a testbed for a more wider adaptation.
The general success of LPG-fueled taxi cabs is an indicator that LPG is a possible way for public transport to save money on fuel as well as go a bit greener.Last edited by ghosthunter; October 9th, 2010 at 07:32 PM.
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October 9th, 2010 03:53 PM #1006GH I'm curious.
Are those LPG motors crate engines? Or the usual converted engines like the Toyota 2E?
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October 9th, 2010 04:48 PM #1007
There are LPG engines we can do without the typical Auto-LPG conversion.
Example: (but it doesn't mean we have to buy these)
http://www.bucksengines.com/lpg-engine.aspx
http://www.directindustry.com/prod/c...78-391409.html
http://www.chinasuppliers.globalsour...LPG-Engine.htm
But it still might be advisable to do standard gasoline to LPG engine conversion simply for long term maintenance issues (like parts and servicing).
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October 9th, 2010 07:29 PM #1008
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October 9th, 2010 07:36 PM #1009
Toyota also makes LPG fueled cars.
http://www.mademan.com/mm/toyota-lpg-cars.html
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October 9th, 2010 07:57 PM #1010
I made a thread:
LPG for cleaner public transport
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=1#post1578722
All posts about Auto-LPG, send it there.Last edited by ghosthunter; October 9th, 2010 at 08:52 PM.
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