Classics vs. Modern type jeep

[donbuggy]

A modern OTJ should be fuel efficient, comfortable and at least look like the Suzuki Jimny.

[asb75]

Hi akisidom,

I prefer the classic one, because we own that same one before, im planning to assemble it again since my brother took it apart, the good thing about the classic one is you can seat comfortably because the passengers is in the correct seating position not like the modern one leg and seating postion is crampped. i remember on the 90's they add some fiberglass hardtop and doors on the classic one. and to top it all they add a aircondition on it, so passengers will not struggle the hot & humid temperature on the road. that's why im inquiring to jewels navotas the cost for the said project.

cheers!

[OyiL]

suspension:

leaf springs are OK. they(assemblers) just need to know how to integrate it with the design correctly. the correct spring rate and energy damping can make the ride better.

if you have seen the first part of the indiana jones 4 movie, where teenagers are in a ford t-bucket, you will see how this leaf-springed car managed to drive on the unpaved shoulder at hi-speed without throwing the passengers overboard.

but people who buy OTJ dont want it fr that purpose. they want to be able to put more load, so assemblers use stiffer springs.

to meet the soft ride and the load requirement, at the rear, air bags should be installed to help stiffen the spring rate when required.

at the front, transverse leaf springs will work better as it will give a softer ride, enough space for the wheel to make tighter turns. coill springs would be more costly to maintain for people with OTJ's


engine:
hi power engines will be cool. but.....people who need this car dont need extra power. they just need power to be able to drive a fully loaded OTJ at around 70kph on the highway. An electronic ignition, turbo 4k is good enough.

body:
material:
reason why people want stainless is because it looks good with less maintenance effort - makintab na di pa agad kakalawangin. di na papipinturahan. but stainless is heavy - this would affect fuel efficiency, braking, tires. it should have the less-maintenance characteristic, but lighter.
kaya galvanized. zinc-coated para di kalawangin at mas-magaan. di na rin pipinturahan. pwede na.

PLASTIC or fiberglass na lang dapat.
styling:

to be continued......

[jpdm]

Most newer assembled OTJs are using 12 valve toyota
engines plus coil spring. They are also "equipped" with discarded dashboard of old kia prides.

Lowered mostly and less burloloy.

[akosidom]

suspension:

leaf springs are OK. they(assemblers) just need to know how to integrate it with the design correctly. the correct spring rate and energy damping can make the ride better.

if you have seen the first part of the indiana jones 4 movie, where teenagers are in a ford t-bucket, you will see how this leaf-springed car managed to drive on the unpaved shoulder at hi-speed without throwing the passengers overboard.

but people who buy OTJ dont want it fr that purpose. they want to be able to put more load, so assemblers use stiffer springs.

to meet the soft ride and the load requirement, at the rear, air bags should be installed to help stiffen the spring rate when required.

at the front, transverse leaf springs will work better as it will give a softer ride, enough space for the wheel to make tighter turns. coill springs would be more costly to maintain for people with OTJ's


engine:
hi power engines will be cool. but.....people who need this car dont need extra power. they just need power to be able to drive a fully loaded OTJ at around 70kph on the highway. An electronic ignition, turbo 4k is good enough.

body:
material:
reason why people want stainless is because it looks good with less maintenance effort - makintab na di pa agad kakalawangin. di na papipinturahan. but stainless is heavy - this would affect fuel efficiency, braking, tires. it should have the less-maintenance characteristic, but lighter.
kaya galvanized. zinc-coated para di kalawangin at mas-magaan. di na rin pipinturahan. pwede na.

PLASTIC or fiberglass na lang dapat.
styling:

to be continued......

maybe the suspension is the leaf spring or molye bayun i'm not so sure, 4K engine with 5 speed make me satisfied in terms of fuel efficiency, my purpose for buying that kind of such machine is to use for may daily trip.

[speed unlimited]

Kung pang passenger o pang school service mas maganda ang leaf spring ang panglikod para sa akin.

[akosidom]

Kung pang passenger o pang school service mas maganda ang leaf spring ang panglikod para sa akin.

pang 2 or 3 lang sir, mas maganda ba pag coil srping?

[OyiL]

Kung pang passenger o pang school service mas maganda ang leaf spring ang panglikod para sa akin.

tama yan. pero kung wala nang laman, naku!, antigas talaga niyan. kaya maganda kung adjustable yung spring rate. mga truck sa america naka-air bags.

[OyiL]

pang 2 or 3 lang sir, mas maganda ba pag coil srping?

agree. kapag tuned for this load na yung kotse mo, wag mo kakargahan beyond that kung mababa mga parts ma sa ilalaim, sasayad, sisira.

[OyiL]

I think from the latest posts, we can conclude that people who would want to have an OTJ does not want ultra modern, ultra expensive systems in it. kaya ang OTJ natin di nagbabago ang mg parts, style lang ang nag-iiba.

[akosidom]

I think from the latest posts, we can conclude that people who would want to have an OTJ does not want ultra modern, ultra expensive systems in it. kaya ang OTJ natin di nagbabago ang mg parts, style lang ang nag-iiba.

so dapat pala coil spring sa harap tapos molye na sa likod para maganda naman ang takbo ng OTJ, pag naka molye ba harap sir pwede ba ipa convert yun sa coil spring.

[niky]

so dapat pala coil spring sa harap tapos molye na sa likod para maganda naman ang takbo ng OTJ, pag naka molye ba harap sir pwede ba ipa convert yun sa coil spring.

If you want the best of both worlds... durability and load-carrying capacity + off-road performance, get a wrangler-type assembled jeep with a Land-Cruiser or Patrol suspension.

[malinkelly]

ano ang pagkakaiba nila?

[OyiL]

so dapat pala coil spring sa harap tapos molye na sa likod para maganda naman ang takbo ng OTJ, pag naka molye ba harap sir pwede ba ipa convert yun sa coil spring.

pwede. look at this:


kaya lang ang pinanggalingan ng mga coil spring na yan e mga kotse na mas malapad pa sa OTJ kaya magiging nakalabas yung mga gulong mo sa unahan. atsaka strut yan, kailangan may pagkakabitan yung coil spring sa taas.



ok ito sa wrangler. wrangler types are wider than the cj type body kasi. kaya lang pangit maglower ng wrangler type - di yata bagay.

via jeepforum:


cardomain: (eto di totoo ito);

[OyiL]

eto pareho sa patrol at land cruiser

from:www.ls1tech.com


from:www.team-bhp.com


pero baka di mo na ma-lower yan. pero OK ang ride.

[akosidom]

grabe sir. ang lupet nung una pang laroan nalang yun , so medyo mahirap pala kapag coil spring tapos loward ang OTJ na bubuoin mo, siguro molye nalang both front and rear tapos 13' inch na mags nalang.

hindi ako maka getover sa pinakita mo na OTJ...

[redorange]

via jeepforum:


cardomain: (eto di totoo ito);

I bet these are the laughing stock at the Jeep forums, the ride is likely awful on that Jeep with the dubs.

A true Jeep should have 4 wheel drive solid axle front and back and if you are really trying to make a Wrangler type then use a 3 link front with a triangulated 4 link. Now if it's going to be a lowered one then don't use a Jeep body but try to make it one of those Ford Deuce designs so it can look like a hot rod and it wouldn't be out of place with a 4 banger as long as it had power.

[OyiL]

I bet these are the laughing stock at the Jeep forums, the ride is likely awful on that Jeep with the dubs.

A true Jeep should have 4 wheel drive solid axle front and back and if you are really trying to make a Wrangler type then use a 3 link front with a triangulated 4 link. Now if it's going to be a lowered one then don't use a Jeep body but try to make it one of those Ford Deuce designs so it can look like a hot rod and it wouldn't be out of place with a 4 banger as long as it had power.

correct! the purists call them ugly. pero there are some, minority nga lang, who like the idea.

[OyiL]

grabe sir. ang lupet nung una pang laroan nalang yun , so medyo mahirap pala kapag coil spring tapos loward ang OTJ na bubuoin mo, siguro molye nalang both front and rear tapos 13' inch na mags nalang.

hindi ako maka getover sa pinakita mo na OTJ...

tama ka. show car lang yan. tanging pakinabang nyan ay i-showcase yung capability ng builders.

if you really want to use a comfortable lowrider OTJ, use softer leaf springs and dont load it beyond the max it can handle. 2 inches na lang ang compression ng suspension mo, iingatan mo yan na hindi tumama yung front axle sa oil pan.

[Monseratto]

We used to deal with original MB jeep parts, customer namin mga local and foreign army jeep enthusiast. Some of local customers would assemble MB jeeps using authentic and replica parts. Depending on the aunthenticity, bibebenta nila ung jeeps nila for PhP 250-300k to mga collectors abroad. I doubt u can do that to a modern CJ jeep...