synthetic o sintensya s oto mo?

[da__man]

i have changed oil recently but my mechanic told me settled for the ordinary mo 40 lng ok n basta regular ang palit

kako may nabili nako mobil 1 super syn at may tira pa one liter last time...

to may amazement ung left over date may loose particle s ilalim may mga caramel bit...

ano un sintensya na s makina mo?

sabi p ng friend ko na nag take ng mekaniko vocational course s PUP
it doesnt make a difference when u use ordinary and sper synthetic
kasi d namn racing car gamet naten we dont heat the temp of a f1 car.
and beside daw ung oil nila disposable after one time use

is it true
anu ung caramel aparts n nakita ko?

[suv]

yun din ang nabasa ko na advice dito. Pag city driving eh ok na mineral oil

Kasi pag nag synthetic tapos city driving lang eh feeling schumy :hihihi:

[da__man]

bro asakin p ung bote ng mobil1 pare may buo buo talga e nakasara lng un!

mga 3 months ago lng un katakot gamitin! mahal mahal n nga ganun p...

picturan ko nga un pag nakuha ako ng digicam para malinaw.... ang kuha

[suv]

Pero kung ganun na nagbu-buo-buo na eh wag mo na gamitin...kaysa naman masira engine mo...

[funkngruvn]

iwasan po natin ang text speak sa forums..

[v6dreamer]

Here it is decide it yourself.

Introduction

[SIZE=2]Many consumers are not just surprised but quite often shocked to learn that the "Synthetic Oils" for which they pay premium price (3 to 9 times that of Petroleum Oil) are not only not performing any better than average Petroleum Motor Oil, but also are not "Synthetic" at all![/SIZE]

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[SIZE=4]How had this happened?[/SIZE][SIZE=2]SAE[/SIZE][SIZE=2] (Society of Automotive Engineers) deleted any and all definitions of "synthetic" from all specifications relating to oils.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]API (American Petroleum Institute) never defined what "synthetic" is.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]NAD (National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus) ruled that "Synthetic" is a marketing term and that it is the responsibility of the Marketer (the one who labels and markets the oil) to define what it is.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Back labels of Mobil 1 products for many years had following statement:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]" * exclusive of carrier oil" in substantially smaller print. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]While at the same time the front label declared the Mobil 1 as:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"100% Synthetic * "[/SIZE][SIZE=2]. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The "synthetic" oil business is regarded by many in the oil industry as a "religion" whose followers are holding a belief that "synthetic" is somehow superior, but lack the actual proof.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The information on following pages has been provided to enlighten the average consumer of Motor Oil, Gear Oil, ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) and Grease with information, which is seldom made publicly available by the oil industry.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]What you do not know about oil, can harm your vehicle, and what you do not know about "synthetic" oil can cost you money, you need not spend to get the same or better performance for less.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=4]We were first ![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]One prevalent advertising ploy in the synthetic oil industry is that almost without an exception every company anywhere in the World claims to be the very "First".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]To a casual observer it is quickly obvious that not every company can possibly be "First" and that sometimes a "second" or even the "latecomer" can actually be either "Better" or "Cheaper".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Similarly, you'll never find any financial institution to proudly proclaim: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"We are the ‘second’ XYZ bank".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]However, there is the illusion in the consumer market that the claim of "First" somehow is identified with Quality or Superiority in the field of "synthetic" lubricants.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Examples:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]AMSOIL = "First in Synthetics" - The company did not exist before 1972[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]MOBIL = "First to Market Synthetic Oil" - Mobil 1 was introduced in 1974[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Being "First" in anything, unless it is a sanctioned racing event, has no relation to Quality, Value or Performance of ANY product in the market place.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]And quite often even in racing events being "First" is more a matter of luck than of ultimate superiority of performance.[/SIZE]

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[jaspi11]

i have changed oil recently but my mechanic told me settled for the ordinary mo 40 lng ok n basta regular ang palit

kako may nabili nako mobil 1 super syn at may tira pa one liter last time...

to may amazement ung left over date may loose particle s ilalim may mga caramel bit...

ano un sintensya na s makina mo?

sabi p ng friend ko na nag take ng mekaniko vocational course s PUP
it doesnt make a difference when u use ordinary and sper synthetic
kasi d namn racing car gamet naten we dont heat the temp of a f1 car.
and beside daw ung oil nila disposable after one time use

is it true
anu ung caramel aparts n nakita ko?

di kaya residue yun? na pwede makasama sa makina

[da__man]

malamang makasama un! kung pwede ko lang share ung picture e share ko sa inyo

[speedyfix]

weird... that should not happen... baka fake oil nabili mo?

[AC]

naniniwala po ako sa sabi ng mechanic niya...

we can live with mineral oil po..
kayalang... ang tanong ng mga gumagawa ng oil manufacturers... how much are u willing to pay..

kaya they give u a... more expensive... alternative.. para for those who are willing to spend...

i think.. magandang oil ang mobil1.. just that mahal.. and.. pwede na naman ordinary...

but ingat po tayo sa mga.. brands.. na synthetic na harmful sa ating engine... lalo na.. pinipilit nilang i-advertise na pwedeng pang 15t km...

para hindi maloko.. magpachange oil nalang po tayo every 5tkms... ord oil..

[banawe]

Actually recommend naman talaga is 20w -50 sa mga city driving cars ... and usually every 5Km and palit

yung mga synthetic users ay yung mga tao who have the money and doesn't have a lots of time ... usually i don't recomment mobil 1 since ... its 0w - 40 not recommended for warm climates like ours ... the 15w - 40 is not bad ... and for city driving its not half bad

another popular brand is this royal purple ... synthetic ... very high grade ... but for city driving ... not recommend ... but smooth ang hatak when you are driving high speed and in the highway smooth to the max ... i used to use mobil one the hatak is not that good ...then i change to 76 brand ... another good brand .... i didn't know why i change ... same quality as royal purple ... but i change to royla purple nevertheless ... para naman masabi ko na nagamit ko rin ... so far ... wala pa naman akong reklamo ....

BANAWE AUTO SUPPLY
regy

[speedyfix]

actually not all cars will work well with 20w50. nowadays fewer and fewer cars will come with 20w50 as factory fill. it is becomming more and more common na either 30 or 40 weight oil yung standard.

i saw an 2007 eclipse 3.8lit v6 yesterday and the oil cap specifically stated that the oil should be 5w20.

you should only play with the viscosity depending on the use of the engine. kung dito dito lang maneho sa city (even with long drives) then even 30 or 40 will be more than enough. you are just wasting gas if you put the 50 weight oil sa makina kasi it will make the engine less fuel efficient coz of the extra friction. th 20w50 should be used nalang now if you need the extra protection due to turbo/lotsa mods.

[userfriendly]

I agree with Speedy.

When my car was brand new, the dealer always used 5w40 or 10w40 oil. I had horrible fuel consumption. After warranty, I continued to use 10w40 oil. After joining this community, I decided to read the manual, lo and behold, the manufacturer recommends 5w30 or 10w30 oil. I switched and my FC improved a lot. Car runs a lot smoother too.

[wrcastro_ph]

That caramel like thing in your mobil 1 oil looks weird to me. I have a left over mobil 1 gold supersyn oil for more than a year now and it still looks very good.

Sir Migs, may fake bang Mobil1 supersyn sa market previously? or until now.

[da__man]

my uncle bought it in banawe im not sure in the store name ill ask him when he got back from states!!
warning to consumers toh!
FAKE?

[speedyfix]

there are fakes of everything... from oil to other parts.

kahit replacement parts nalang (not even oem) like kyb and 555 meron narin.

only buy if you know where the seller is getting the stocks imo.

[DRIV3R]

Actually recommend naman talaga is 20w50 sa mga city driving cars ... and usually every 5Km and palit

BANAWE AUTO SUPPLY
regy

20w-50 is too thick for modern gas engine. you will put a lot of stress on your engine specially during startup.

actually not all cars will work well with 20w50. nowadays fewer and fewer cars will come with 20w50 as factory fill. it is becomming more and more common na either 30 or 40 weight oil yung standard.

i saw an 2007 eclipse 3.8lit v6 yesterday and the oil cap specifically stated that the oil should be 5w20.

you should only play with the viscosity depending on the use of the engine. kung dito dito lang maneho sa city (even with long drives) then even 30 or 40 will be more than enough. you are just wasting gas if you put the 50 weight oil sa makina kasi it will make the engine less fuel efficient coz of the extra friction. th 20w50 should be used nalang now if you need the extra protection due to turbo/lotsa mods.

I agree

I agree with Speedy.

When my car was brand new, the dealer always used 5w40 or 10w40 oil. I had horrible fuel consumption. After warranty, I continued to use 10w40 oil. After joining this community, I decided to read the manual, lo and behold, the manufacturer recommends 5w30 or 10w30 oil. I switched and my FC improved a lot. Car runs a lot smoother too.

I have the same experience as userfreiendly

[speedyfix]

rule of thumb, know what your manual recommends and follow it.

[Zdre_Wulf]

modern engines use hydraulic tappets, if you use thick oils like 15W or 20W, chances are hirap nga sa starting, tsaka malaki ang stress sa engine lalo na pag malamig... take the 7k engine for example, madidinig mo yung mga valves during start-up pag gamit mo 15W or 20W, what I did was I used a 5W-40, no more noise

about the residue on your oil, i find it weird to have such residues, unless the stock is fake, or it has been exposed to extreme temperatures that the oil started to gum.

I also noticed with mobil1, it leaves a powdery varnish on engine parts, that is why i changed to another brand... further research said that mobil1 fully synthetic oils are just "purified" mineral based oil, not esther based oil (which is the real sythetic type).

O/t: Mods, sorry i couldn't find the source of some of the statements here because i read them a couple of years back...

[speedyfix]

ester is not the only synthetic. meron din group 4 full syns like royal purple. meron din group 3's which are most of the ones found locally.