Oxygen Sensor help

[sonjeffrey]

anywayz, I already know and understand some of the info you posted here (mainly the "basic" functions of the CAT, O2 and HO2 systems.. I learned that in our Auto class in High School!) but if your telling us that an O2 sensor on a modern car is not imortant (wether if its a OBD-ZERO *1979-1990*, OBD-ONE *1991-1996*, OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) then that is completely retarded.


*** Actually OBD1 started on 1980
OBD2 started 1988 up to present, ... check the posts * OBD 2 by yours truly...

About the importance of O2 sensor... completely retarded nga kaya ang manufacturer ng 1997 Lancer GLXi, dahil walang equipped na 02 sensor yung vehicle na nirelease nila??.... and from your point of view (OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) pasok sya dyan???

Little knowledge is dangerous.... Peace pa rin!!!

[KBR]

Actually OBD1 started on 1980
OBD2 started 1988 up to present, ... check the posts * OBD 2 by yours truly...

About the importance of O2 sensor... completely retarded nga kaya ang manufacturer ng 1997 Lancer GLXi, dahil walang equipped na 02 sensor yung vehicle na nirelease nila??.... and from your point of view (OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) pasok sya dyan???

Little knowledge is dangerous.... Peace pa rin!!!

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..

check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics

basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.

Knowledge Is Power pare koy'



aite, peace.

[KBR]

KBR,
Sorry, i mean LEAN..
Hmmmm... you're great kasi sa high school mo pa natutunan yan... anyway... High school pa lang din naman ako ngayon... LoL...
FYI may mga engines na may ECU/ECM na walang O2 sensor, and its up for you to find out....
By the way if your opinion that all cars with electronic carb/ mpi/ efi/sfi ... Then how come that webmiester's car doesnt have one???


Peace din po sir!!!

then may isang simpleng sagot diyan, iba siguro ang system ng mga Philippine Market na sasakyan.


aite, peace.

[sonjeffrey]

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..
check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics
basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.
Knowledge Is Power pare koy'
aite, peace.

Ooopsss.. sa wikipedia mo pala binabasa.. Anyway... di naman mali yan...
ako kasi pre, i was connected with GM before, which is the Pioneer in OBD...i worked with these stuff everyday for two years... from research, hands-on, to teaching.....
Try mo na lang kaya basahin ang post ko sa OBD2... set aside your pride muna.... baka makatulong pa..

Peace!!!

[KBR]

Ooopsss.. sa wikipedia mo pala binabasa.. Anyway... di naman mali yan...
ako kasi pre, i was connected with GM before, which is the Pioneer in OBD...i worked with these stuff everyday for two years... from research, hands-on, to teaching.....
Try mo na lang kaya basahin ang post ko sa OBD2... set aside your pride muna.... baka makatulong pa..

Peace!!!

well, hindi lang ako nag babasa sa Wikipedia. kundi I learned all of these information through 9 1/2 yrs. of HANDS ON Automotive experience, mainly in Japanese and European cars. although I also work on American cars, mas kabisado ko ang Japanese & European.

kaya kung babalik tayo sa topic, si sir Webmiester eh nag tatanong kung pwede ang O2 sensor para sa kotse niya, which is a Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi. well, Mitsubishi ay gawang hapon.. hindi kano. so nung pumasok ka at nag bigay ng mga info (which happend na its all from GM) eh nag taka nalang ako. since iba talaga ang technology ng GM sa Mitsubishi... hindi ma-a-apply. hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na "hindi mo kailangan ang O2 sensor sa kotse mo.. kasi yun ang sabi ng natutunan ko sa GM" which really doesnt make sense.

anywayz, ok na sana kung GM ang kotse ni Webmeister.. eh pinabayaan nalang kita. ikaw nalang ang tumulong.

then again, like I said.. kung mangyaring wala talagang O2 sensor ang 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi ni sir Webmeister, its either been tampered with.. missing or simply na walang O2 sensor (or even have no CAT converter) ang Philippine Market na '97 Lancer GLXi. which IMHO, is ****ed up.


aite, peace.

[sonjeffrey]

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..

check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics

basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.

Knowledge Is Power pare koy'



aite, peace.

well, hindi lang ako nag babasa sa Wikipedia. kundi I learned all of these information through 9 1/2 yrs. of HANDS ON Automotive experience, mainly in Japanese and European cars. although I also work on American cars, mas kabisado ko ang Japanese & European.

kaya kung babalik tayo sa topic, si sir Webmiester eh nag tatanong kung pwede ang O2 sensor para sa kotse niya, which is a Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi. well, Mitsubishi ay gawang hapon.. hindi kano. so nung pumasok ka at nag bigay ng mga info (which happend na its all from GM) eh nag taka nalang ako. since iba talaga ang technology ng GM sa Mitsubishi... hindi ma-a-apply. hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na "hindi mo kailangan ang O2 sensor sa kotse mo.. kasi yun ang sabi ng natutunan ko sa GM" which really doesnt make sense.

anywayz, ok na sana kung GM ang kotse ni Webmeister.. eh pinabayaan nalang kita. ikaw nalang ang tumulong.

then again, like I said.. kung mangyaring wala talagang O2 sensor ang 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi ni sir Webmeister, its either been tampered with.. missing or simply na walang O2 sensor (or even have no CAT converter) ang Philippine Market na '97 Lancer GLXi. which IMHO, is ****ed up.


aite, peace.

Sige na,,, tama ka na lang.. so as this thread not to close...
LolZ.....My only question is... Ba't gagawing standard ng Federal Law, kung iba-ibang systema din naman pala ang gagamitin? Wew!!!

[KBR]

Sige na,,, tama ka na lang.. so as this thread not to close...
LolZ.....My only question is... Ba't gagawing standard ng Federal Law, kung iba-ibang systema din naman pala ang gagamitin? Wew!!!

well Jeff, hindi ko sinasabi na "tama" ako. well, kung ikaw eh tama din.. specially pag dating sa mga GM technology, etc.. siyempre since na pinag aralan mo yan.

back to the topic:

anywayz, here in the US it is required that all vehicles to have OBD systems & Smog Equipments (specially on Gasoline engines... Diesel engines are exempted.. for now.) and wether if its a Japanese, European or American car, as long as the vehicle is sold and operated here in the United States, it has to comply with the Air Resource Board (for ex: CARB = California Air Resource Board) & EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).

this CARB program is made to help reduce dangerous Exhaust Gas Emissions or SMOG, specially in heavy populated states (like here in California).

so even though the OBD (ex: OBD-0,1,2a,2b.. etc.) & Emission systems (ex: O2 sensor, EGR valve, PCV valve, Catalytic Converter, Smog Pump, Charcoal Canister.. etc.) are different on each vehicles (different in terms of shape, location, size, abreviations, part #'s, etc..). they still have to work the same way (which is to maximize Fuel Efficiency, reduce Exhaust Gas Emmisions or SMOG and to help protect & save the Environment.)


aite, peace.

[sonjeffrey]

well Jeff, hindi ko sinasabi na "tama" ako. well, kung ikaw eh tama din.. specially pag dating sa mga GM technology, etc.. siyempre since na pinag aralan mo yan.

back to the topic:

anywayz, here in the US it is required that all vehicles to have OBD systems & Smog Equipments (specially on Gasoline engines... Diesel engines are exempted.. for now.) and wether if its a Japanese, European or American car, as long as the vehicle is sold and operated here in the United States, it has to comply with the Air Resource Board (for ex: CARB = California Air Resource Board) & EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).

this CARB program is made to help reduce dangerous Exhaust Gas Emissions or SMOG, specially in heavy populated states (like here in California).

so even though the OBD (ex: OBD-0,1,2a,2b.. etc.) & Emission systems (ex: O2 sensor, EGR valve, PCV valve, Catalytic Converter, Smog Pump, Charcoal Canister.. etc.) are different on each vehicles (different in terms of shape, location, size, abreviations, part #'s, etc..). they still have to work the same way (which is to maximize Fuel Efficiency, reduce Exhaust Gas Emmisions or SMOG and to help protect & save the Environment.)


aite, peace.

OK. Pareho naman pala tayong tama..
Pre... gawa na lang tayo ng academy...
Lolz....

[dennis powell]

ang galing ninyong dalawa,eh sana yung mga natutunan nyo ay ishare nyo na lang yan sa ibang nangangailangan ng tulong,kesa nagyayabangan kayo.ang daming nanghihingi ng tulong pero yung iba walang mga sagot,sana sinagot nyo na lang yun kesa naggugugul kayo ng panahon dito para lang ipakita kung sino sa inyong dalawa ang magaling.sa akin naman sinishare ko yung aking nalalaman at pwede nilang pakinabangan kung tama,eh kung mali naman, its simply just need to be corrected by fellow tsikoters or even you guys.

[KBR]

ang galing ninyong dalawa,eh sana yung mga natutunan nyo ay ishare nyo na lang yan sa ibang nangangailangan ng tulong,kesa nagyayabangan kayo.ang daming nanghihingi ng tulong pero yung iba walang mga sagot,sana sinagot nyo na lang yun kesa naggugugul kayo ng panahon dito para lang ipakita kung sino sa inyong dalawa ang magaling.sa akin naman sinishare ko yung aking nalalaman at pwede nilang pakinabangan kung tama,eh kung mali naman, its simply just need to be corrected by fellow tsikoters or even you guys.

thanks for the concern Dennis, and you are actually right.

anywayz, I wasnt tryin to be a dick here.. nor tryin to show that I know it all. I signed up here in Tsikot.com para tumulong din (share technical knowledge, info, know-how.. etc..) and I do the same way wether I'm at a different Automotive Forum.


aite, peace.

[afrasay]

Naku po!!! wag niyo naman pasakiting ang ulo ko on a Christmas Day...hehehe. ok lang naman magtalo wag lang mag name calling. Sometimes o madalas one word lang could spark a word war. O2 sensor ba? dito kasi sa pinas anything goes. yun seatbelt and third brake light nga ang tagal ng standard and a law na sa US and europe sa atin wala lang. So yun mga transplant na engine na efi ng nilalagay sa owner na galing sa surplusan works without an O2 sensor. Yes, kailangan talaga yun O2 sensor for optimun efficiency and pollution control pero dun sa mga bumibili ng new cars di na nila pinapansin yun aside from what is written sa specs. Merry Christmas po...tis the season to be jolly and be humble..Peace!

[webmiester]

Yeah, maslaxed ang automotive laws sa Philippines for better or for worse. Catalytic Converters and O2 sensors are not required and were not standard when I purchased my vehicle, kaya it didnt come with any of the two, At the same time, it would be cheaper for the company to assemble the car without these two installed.

However, it does have an onboard computer and fuel injection... I dont know if it would be economical for mitsubishi to manufacture a different kind of computer just for the markets without O2 sensor such as the Philippine market. It might be more economical for them to just ship the same computer for all countries and not to connect an O2 sensor to keep prices down. Kaya I think that if the 1997 Lancer in other countries came with an O2 sensor, then mine might just have the slot for it.

[4JGtootsie]

When you have sensors you have actuators. Based on your year and model what do you think are the actuators connected to the sensor you wish to install. Be very sure that voltage/resistance of this sensor matches the computer box because it might just destroy your box or disturb its calculations.

The best suggestion i can give is to check kung may abang na socket for the sensor and meron "specific" spot on the manifold where to put it. My fear is if you put it to near or to far from the exhaust source might give wrong return voltage.

[moe]

damn, i hate arrogant people

[OTEP]

Fighting aside, I checked out the Vitara. It too is equipped with an 02 sensor when sold Stateside.

However, the local one doesn't have said sensor and I could not find out how to hook a sensor to the electricals. This and the fact that the engine does not have the mounts for an 02 sensor.

[webmiester]

Fighting aside, I checked out the Vitara. It too is equipped with an 02 sensor when sold Stateside.

However, the local one doesn't have said sensor and I could not find out how to hook a sensor to the electricals. This and the fact that the engine does not have the mounts for an 02 sensor.

I was able to download a technical manual for my car's engine on the internet I searched it at google and found 2 sites which had them. One site was pdftown.com. It showed me where the O2 sensor was supposed to be mounted. I couldnt find it on my car because according to the manual, it was covered by a metal plate. Unfortunately Im in the US and my car is in Manila, so I cant "test" the theory on the manual yet. But the manual covered all the engines in that Mitsubishi family and it specified the car models they were placed in (Pajero, Galant, Lancer, Mirage,), year, and country (for US models, For domestic models, for european models,etc).

[4JGtootsie]

I was able to download a technical manual for my car's engine on the internet I searched it at google and found 2 sites which had them. One site was pdftown.com. It showed me where the O2 sensor was supposed to be mounted. I couldnt find it on my car because according to the manual, it was covered by a metal plate. Unfortunately Im in the US and my car is in Manila, so I cant "test" the theory on the manual yet. But the manual covered all the engines in that Mitsubishi family and it specified the car models they were placed in (Pajero, Galant, Lancer, Mirage,), year, and country (for US models, For domestic models, for european models,etc).

That is great! Baka nga pagbukas mo ng plate meron ka pa lang O2 sensor na nakakabit at plugged and you never knew it was just only there.

[afrasay]

and you're suppose to replace this O2 sensor at a given mileage or when the dashboard indicator lit up.

[t2erns]

well ang reason nga kung bakit walang O2 sensor yung kotse ni sir webmiester ay hindi ito intended for the us market. lahat ng mitsu sa us ay equipped ng O2 sensor as mandated by carb and epa. since early 80's na ka tie-up ang mitsu sa chrysler and i'm sure equipped sila ng devices na magreduce ng harmful emission