kailangan ba talaga ang rustproofing sa bawat car?

**Ungas** · September 2nd, 2003 09:43 AM

Originally posted by badkuk
Hi!

Hmmm, d ba there's another kind of rustproofing where they install some electronic device on your car?

Those products are not really rustproofing your vehicle. What it does is retard the rusting process. Kahit na rustproofed ang buong sasakyan, there is still some point that the rust could start. By adding a rust retarder unit only delays the rust growth.

**badkuk** · September 2nd, 2003 11:18 AM

hmmm...so provided na rustproofed na ung car mo...do u still need the unit?

**Ungas** · September 2nd, 2003 11:26 AM

Just like my previous post, it could help you by preventing rust forming too soon to be noticed. The arguement now is whether you need it or do you want it. If you are planning to keep your car in the long run better have it for safety reasons. But if you are planning to depart from your current vehicle after a couple of years more, save your money. :D

Rust proofing is effective after a year only, after that you will need to re-apply another coating.

**chieffy** · September 2nd, 2003 03:03 PM

Originally posted by boybi
kapag meron ng existing rustproofing yung car, tapos magpapa rustproof ulit, tatanggalin ba yung old rustproofing?

yung mga part na intact pa papatungan lang sir boybi yung parts na hindi dapat I-scrape…

Originally posted by ozcity
how about sa mga new car?..kalangan ba ipa-rust proof mo pa?

I agree with happy_Gilmore, di naman kailangan agad as most cars have factory rustproofing for the underside and door panels (yung Toyota ko wala sa loob ng door noon)…

Originally posted by mk
napansin ko kasi sa car for example vios 643k for manual...separate pa yung 4,500k for rustproof, 3k for lto, and 35k for the insurance....
question is kun sineparate nila yung rustproof sa actual price ng vios ...meron ba silang nilagay na rustproof sa car or wala?

madalas sa casa is aftermarket rustproofing na – undercoating…kung papatungan pa nila yung factory rustproofing sa body(door panesl, trunk lid, etc) eh mas maganda for the price of 4.5k pero kung undercoating lang iyon eh punta ka na lang sa amin

based on experience, yung mga bagong sasakyan na na-undercoat namin ay walang protection yung mga parts beyond the fender liner…be sure na malagyan iyong mga parts na iyon in case magpapa-rustproof ka sa labas…

**OTEP** · September 2nd, 2003 05:31 PM

May factory rustproofing naman ang sasakyan talaga. I don't know why dealers are pushing for additional rustproofing. Baka may commission.

May nabasa ako dati na improper application of rustproofing agents can result in even higher risk of rust.

Yung MB100 at Montero namin sure na walang aftermarket rustproof iyon. Pero ok pa din hanggang ngayon. I think wala ding rustproof iba naming sasakyan. Itong Pajero meron kasi nerbyoso dating may ari. Panay ang pa-casa and allergic sa replacement parts. hehehe.

**Boy2** · September 2nd, 2003 07:24 PM

Originally posted by shadow
tanong ko lang bakit gear oil?

to prevent the metal from dust and water contact... plus factor din na oil based ang mga rustproofing kaya nagiging fresh ulit ito kapag binugahan ng gear oil. :bald:

**baiskee** · September 2nd, 2003 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Boy2
to prevent the metal from dust and water contact... plus factor din na oil based ang mga rustproofing kaya nagiging fresh ulit ito kapag binugahan ng gear oil. :bald:

hindi ba mabilis kapitan ng dumi/alikabok?

**roydok** · September 3rd, 2003 12:12 AM

Originally posted by mk
sir roydoc...so your trying to tell me that pag bili mo ng bagong car...meron na itong rustproff na kasama?....then para to play safe tyo ulit mag papa rust proff sa ziebart or sa tuff kote?..
napansin ko kasi sa car for example vios 643k for manual...separate pa yung 4,500k for rustproof, 3k for lto, and 35k for the insurance....
question is kun sineparate nila yung rustproof sa actual price ng vios ...meron ba silang nilagay na rustproof sa car or wala?

I recall the factory rustproof of most vehicle manufacturers is already integrated into the factory paint and sheetmetal of the vehicle not like the chemical application as most aftermarket rust-proofers. Pero some manufacturers like my current Mitsu, Honda and our previous Nissans offer aftermarket rust-proof like Tuff-Kote as an additional. In cases like this with the application of aftermarket rustproofing chemicals thus offer a better protection on your vehicle. If included na Tuff-Kote or Ziebart sa new vehicle package then di mo na kailangan ng 2nd rustroof sa labas.

**theveed** · September 3rd, 2003 11:29 AM

Originally posted by OTEP
May factory rustproofing naman ang sasakyan talaga. I don't know why dealers are pushing for additional rustproofing. Baka may commission.

May nabasa ako dati na improper application of rustproofing agents can result in even higher risk of rust.

Yung MB100 at Montero namin sure na walang aftermarket rustproof iyon. Pero ok pa din hanggang ngayon. I think wala ding rustproof iba naming sasakyan. Itong Pajero meron kasi nerbyoso dating may ari. Panay ang pa-casa and allergic sa replacement parts. hehehe.

I so agree with this... I find most of Ziebart's (and other rustproofing companies) products decieving to the consumers. In the US, a lot of manufacturers VOID your warranty when you get aftermarket rustproofing...

The concept is very very simple... What causes rust? When oxygen reacts with iron... Your cars (if they're new) are submerged in a rustproof primer tub (remember the "8 dip zero rust" commercial of Mitsu back in 88?), then painted..

Unless you got into an accident or someone vandalized your paint or the like, your car will NEVER rust since air isn't present on your sheetmetal.

When aftermarket companies spray their so called rustproofing agents to your car, they're just spraying it ON TOP of the factory paint and rustproofing primer... what's the point?

If your car DID get scratched or bumped wherein the metal is exposed then your sheetmetal is prone to rust, EVEN IF YOU HAD YOUR CAR RUSTPROOFED. Why? Simply because the rustproofing coating chips off just like paint... Why spend the extra thousands?

Undercoats make more sense since your bottom chassis gets hit with numerous sharp objects constantly. The chance of the underchassis getting rusted FROM THE INSIDE is pretty remote unless you drilled holes or something...

CASAs offer these aftermarket services just like they offer tint and mattings, they earn a lot from it since they get cuts from each sale without them purchasing inventory or personnel.

My last question is this...

If companies like Ziebart or Tuff Cote didn't come about, are all cars doomed for rust? C'mon

**chieffy** · September 3rd, 2003 03:20 PM

kailangan ba talaga ang rustproofing sa bawat car?

oo kailangan lalo na sa mga areas na bihira mo linisin at makita kung saan may mga nanunuot na alikabok at dumi na maaring mabasa o paglagian ng moisture(underside, behind bumpers, bedliners, door panels-where acid rain drips in...you guys, should have seen the corroded doors of my wife's 1990 AE92)...mas madalas mo gamitin ang sasakyan, mas mataas ang possibilidad ng pagkakaroon ng kalawang...factory rustproofing will not outlast your car's expected life specially if its always exposed to elements(dust, water, air, etc.)

check out this fuel tank's downpipe (1994 Accord)

more pics

this is the front area of my ride(Civic 2000)...rust is starting to form between the joint area of the bumper bracket...guys, how often do you check the paint condition of the panel behind your bumper? your door panel? your underside? nabaha nga pala ako nung Aug 23...i checked the door panels nung August 25...guess what, the door panel factory rustproofing along the drain holes has hardened and starting to crack..sooner or later it will peel off leaving it unprotected from dirt and water...i don't want to experience what happened to my wife's AE92...