Alegre EXHAUST GAS OXIDIZER (EGO)- Part 2

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
Actually, short term effect on the wallet: P6,000 - P7,500 lighter but seriously, long-term effects include substantial fuel and oil savings (R.O.I. ave. 4 - 6 months) due to engine always at peak performance. Because of the 'scavenging/ sucking-out' action of the device, the engine's combustion chamber is always clean/OK for almost 100% burning of fuel resulting to maximum power utilization. Oil-change intervals will also be longer. The engine life will be eventually prolonged due to well-maintainance and almost always good condition of the engine!

Mr. Add616reneb...

Are you taking some sort of medication when you posted this?

Originally posted by add616reneb
Actually, short term effect on the wallet: P6,000 - P7,500 lighter but seriously, long-term effects include substantial fuel and oil savings (R.O.I. ave. 4 - 6 months) due to engine always at peak performance.

We are looking at an increase of around 5% efficiency. We assume a vehicle consumes around P1000 per week of fuel. So we could assume you save around P50/week.

P6000/P50=120 weeks for ROI
120 weeks = 30 months = 2.5 years

How did you compute your 4-6 months ROI?

Because of the 'scavenging/ sucking-out' action of the device

How can a five to six inch extension to your tail-pipe create significant increase in your car's scavenging action (also called backpressure). It has no mechanical parts. Kindly explain the working theory or principle.

... the engine's combustion chamber is always clean/OK for almost 100% burning of fuel resulting to maximum power utilization.

This is amazing, you claim what is basically a tail-pipe extension can improve combustion to 100%. This basically only occurs in theory and in the classrooms. Even in laboratory conditions, 100% combustion is never achieved. Even stoiched engines do not claim this.

BTW, a clean combustion chamber is a result of a properly tuned engine. No carbon deposits. No exhaust "sucking" action can remove accumulated deposits.

Oil-change intervals will also be longer. The engine life will be eventually prolonged due to well-maintainance and almost always good condition of the engine!

wow! even a tail-pipe extension can improve your oil condition...

But the reason why we change the oil is to remove all the accumulated dirt, carbon and metal debris that has accumulated in it. So leaving all that stuff in the engine longer would result in higher engine wear & tear and end in a SHORTER engine life, requiring either an EXPENSIVE overhaul or a replacement engine.

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Mr. Add616reneb,

Kindly state only the facts because we can smell b*lls**t whenever present.

[add616reneb]

Originally posted by pink_cadillac
add616reneb, please understand that there are fundamental reasons why online denizens are bordering abhorrence for posters who do nothing but post commercially related items that serve their interest.


Dude, I've already got a magnetic diesel fuel conditioner, and a Premo oil refiner which I can attach when I feel like it.

Let's focus on the main selling points of your product, being fuel economy and additional power.

Say end of the month or something?

Can anyone suggest a quiet piece of track where we can do 1/4 miles and 1/2 miles for accelleration tests?

Sorry, but I somewhat erred to quote: " Oil-change intervals will also be longer." What I really meant was: "Maintenance intervals will also be longer, meaning fewer engine tune-ups needed or extends time before engine overhaul." This also means much less engine maintenance costs. I was thinking of my another product (Cyberlube) when I wrote that.

Please contact me asap as to your availabilty to the "EGO Challenge.":nerd:

[add616reneb]

Originally posted by pink_cadillac
And one more thing, in case my exhaust pipe or any component or section of my vehicle suffers any oxidation or unwanted deformations as a result of the units attachment or in the event of failure -detachment, I would require it to be restored to its original condition.

Fair?

Also, Sir, what vehicle are you driving and what kind of gains have you gotten from your own product?

When you purchase the device, it carries a warranty, to wit:

"Confident with the ‘EGO’ device’s inherent capabilities, we further assume the responsibility to pay for the replacement of any engine parts damaged directly attributed to the proper installation and normal usage of the ‘EGO’ device . Provided however, that such remote probability occurs within one (1) year from date of purchase of the ‘EGO’ device. "

Mr. Duping Alegre owns a 1998 Toyota Lucida and with the EGO device installed, fuel consumption became 9.5km/lit. from 8km/lit. (w/o the device)!:nerd:

[add616reneb]

Originally posted by pink_cadillac
One more thing, diesels at its most efficient burn at an average of 75% thoroughness. How do you expect to increase combustion to 100% without introducing an accellerant, say propane?

I did not say "absolutely 100%" but "almost 100%". This is specially true with gasoline engines because of gasoline being more combustible than diesel. With the EGO device's "scavenging effect" reaching up to the engine's combustion chamber ensuring it to be always clean, the subsequent intake of fuel + air is almost always ideal in ratio resulting to optimum/maximum burning. This is evidenced by gained fuel savings for diesel at about 10% - 20% while gasoline at 20% - 30%.:nerd:

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
Actually, short term effect on the wallet: P6,000 - P7,500 lighter but seriously, long-term effects include substantial fuel and oil savings (R.O.I. ave. 4 - 6 months) due to engine always at peak performance. Because of the 'scavenging/ sucking-out' action of the device, the engine's combustion chamber is always clean/OK for almost 100% burning of fuel resulting to maximum power utilization. Oil-change intervals will also be longer. The engine life will be eventually prolonged due to well-maintainance and almost always good condition of the engine!

Mr. Add616reneb...

Are you taking some sort of medication when you posted this?

Originally posted by add616reneb
Actually, short term effect on the wallet: P6,000 - P7,500 lighter but seriously, long-term effects include substantial fuel and oil savings (R.O.I. ave. 4 - 6 months) due to engine always at peak performance.

We are looking at an increase of around 5% efficiency. We assume a vehicle consumes around P1000 per week of fuel. So we could assume you save around P50/week.

P6000/P50=120 weeks for ROI
120 weeks = 30 months = 2.5 years

How did you compute your 4-6 months ROI?

Because of the 'scavenging/ sucking-out' action of the device

How can a five to six inch extension to your tail-pipe create significant increase in your car's scavenging action (also called backpressure). It has no mechanical parts. Kindly explain the working theory or principle.

... the engine's combustion chamber is always clean/OK for almost 100% burning of fuel resulting to maximum power utilization.

This is amazing, you claim what is basically a tail-pipe extension can improve combustion to 100%. This basically only occurs in theory and in the classrooms. Even in laboratory conditions, 100% combustion is never achieved. Even stoiched engines do not claim this.

BTW, a clean combustion chamber is a result of a properly tuned engine. No carbon deposits. No exhaust "sucking" action can remove accumulated deposits.

Oil-change intervals will also be longer. The engine life will be eventually prolonged due to well-maintainance and almost always good condition of the engine!

wow! even a tail-pipe extension can improve your oil condition...

But the reason why we change the oil is to remove all the accumulated dirt, carbon and metal debris that has accumulated in it. So leaving all that stuff in the engine longer would result in higher engine wear & tear and end in a SHORTER engine life, requiring either an EXPENSIVE overhaul or a replacement engine.

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Mr. Add616reneb,

Kindly state only the facts because we can smell b*lls**t whenever present.

[pink_cadillac]

Hi again, add616reneb.

At this point if you have a near 100% combustion of diesel during ignition wouldn't the extra heat of combustion become an issue for the engine whereby parts are prone to increased wear?

What is your vehicle and do you have this device installed in it? Likewise what are the gains that you obtained?

Mr. "Duping" Alegre, somehow on a pun, it strikes fear in my consumer heart.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
... Mr. Duping Alegre owns a 1998 Toyota Lucida and with the EGO device installed, fuel consumption became 9.5km/lit. from 8km/lit. (w/o the device)!:nerd:

I can get the same increase in fuel milage simply by changing my driving habits.

Costs: Free!

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
I did not say "absolutely 100%" but "almost 100%".

yup, just like 50% is almost 100%.

This is specially true with gasoline engines because of gasoline being more combustible than diesel. With the EGO device's "scavenging effect" reaching up to the engine's combustion chamber ensuring it to be always clean, ...

How can a five to six inch extension to your tail-pipe create significant increase in your car's engine scavenging action (also called backpressure). It has no mechanical parts. Kindly explain the working theory or principle.

... the subsequent intake of fuel + air is almost always ideal in ratio resulting to optimum/maximum burning.

so much words but nothing to back it up... "ideal" "optimum" "maximum"

Do you know what is the air-fuel ideal ratio?

What do you mean by "optimum/maximum burning"? Nice sounding words but means nothing to my ears.

[add616reneb]

To reiterate in simpler terms the working principle behind the EGO device, its features and advantages over other fuel saving gadgets, please read below:

Ang EGO ay isang "all-stainless steel (gauge-16) anti-pollution & fuel saving device" na nakafull-weld sa dulo ng tail-pipe ng anumang sasakyan (gasoline or diesel). Dahil sa "revolutionary dual-venturi design" nito , napapa bilis "tremendously" ang "exhaust gas velocity" at para itong "super vacuum cleaner" na sina-suck-out lahat ng dumi (unburnt fuel, carbon deposits, etc.) sa "exhaust system" kasama na ang "combustion chamber" ng engine. Kung malinis lagi ang "combustion chamber" gaganda ang"air-fuel ratio". Dahil dito, "near perfect or almost 100%" na lagi ang "combustion or burning of fuel" sa engine: lalakas ang power at makatitipid ka sa "fuel consumption" mo at dahil kundisyon lagi ang makina, makatitipid ka rin sa "maintenance costs due to reduced frequency of next tune-ups, repairs and/or overhaul of engine". Pagdating naman sa "venturi section" ng EGO ng mga "exhaust gases", nagkakaroon ng "partial secondary oxidation". Mga "40% - 60% of the exhaust gases containing Carbon Monoxide and HC reacts with inducted Oxygen from air to form again Carbon Dioxide, traces of Nitrogen and water!" kaya nga tinawag na "EXHAUST GAS OXIDOZER" o EGo.

We have six (6) models of EGO (from 7" to 10-1/2" in length) corresponding to the engine size/displacememt or HP:
1. ‘EGO’-1SM (for 1000cc-1500cc engines)
2. ‘EGO’-1 (for 1600cc-2000cc engines)
3. ‘EGO’-1XL (for 2.2 lt. – 3.0 lt. engines)
4. 'EGO-1XLs (for 3.2lt. – 4.0 lt. engines)
5. ‘EGO’-2 (for 280HP - 350HP engines)
6. 'EGO’-2XL (for 400HP - 500HP engines)

The gained fuel consumptions ranges from 10% - 20% for diesel and 20% - 30% for gasoline and power gained is 5% - 8%. Assuming P1,000/week fuel consumption, we calculate average savings of 20% or P200/week:

1. P6,000/P200 = 30weeks/4weeks per month = 7.5 months
2. Assuming also P2,000 costs of Tune-up/Oil change (every 3 - 6 months), the frequency will be doubled with the EGO installed but let us say that you saved only P1,000; the Effective R.O.I. will be about 4 - 6 months.

:nerd:

[add616reneb]

:nerd:

[add616reneb]

Originally posted by pink_cadillac
Hi again, add616reneb.

At this point if you have a near 100% combustion of diesel during ignition wouldn't the extra heat of combustion become an issue for the engine whereby parts are prone to increased wear?

What is your vehicle and do you have this device installed in it? Likewise what are the gains that you obtained?

Mr. "Duping" Alegre, somehow on a pun, it strikes fear in my consumer heart.

I don't think the extra heat of combustion will affect the engine because it is thermodynamically designed to withstand great heat with sufficient lubication. With the EGO, your engine will be always well-maintained due to its "scavenging/cleansing action" on the combustion chamber.

I don't have a vehicle right now but those whom I were able to sell the devices (EGO-1XLS) said the following:

1. Mr, Noe Doroja (Jeepney Operator/ Driver with 2 jeepneys, of Las Piñas)- " Brod, nawala ang usok ng mga Jeepney ko at nang magbiyahe ako papuntang Apalit, yung dala kong Jeepney, nao-overtake ko na ang mga FX!"
2. Mr. Froilan Reyes (Isuzo Trooper owner of Muntinlupa)- " Dati 7km/liter and kunsumo ko, naging 7.7km/liter with the EGO. Tataas pa siguro pagkatapos akong magpa-Oil Change. Bibili ulit ako para sa Elf truck ko rin."

Mang 'Duping" Alegre is a very nice, honest and likeable person when you get to meet and know him.

:nerd:

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
I don't think the extra heat of combustion will affect the engine because it is thermodynamically designed to withstand great heat with sufficient lubication.

is that your expert opinion, add616reneb? You should not just "think", you should know very well what the device you are promoting can and cannot do.

With the EGO, your engine will be always well-maintained due to its "scavenging/cleansing action" on the combustion chamber.

Is this your venturi effect in action?


The Venturi effect is the speeding up of air, or another fluid, as it passes through a constriction.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...nturi%20effect

So basically your device is a CONSTRICTION near the end of the exahust pipe. The net effect is increased back pressure and possibly less HP at higher engine RPMS.

We could cheaply do the same thing simply by installing a slightly crushed tube section at the end of our tailpipes. Add a shiny chromed muffler tip to make it look presentable. Cost, typically around P1000 including welding, chrome-tip and pipe from your friendly muffler shop.

I don't have a vehicle right now...

so you are trying to sell around 40 units of your device so you can buy one.... really smart of you.

... but those whom I were able to sell the devices...

suckers... este.... customers?

... said the following:

do they also have the same "expert opinion" as add616reneb?

1. Mr, Noe Doroja (Jeepney Operator/ Driver with 2 jeepneys, of Las Piñas)- " Brod, nawala ang usok ng mga Jeepney ko at nang magbiyahe ako papuntang Apalit, yung dala kong Jeepney, nao-overtake ko na ang mga FX!"
2. Mr. Froilan Reyes (Isuzo Trooper owner of Muntinlupa)- " Dati 7km/liter and kunsumo ko, naging 7.7km/liter with the EGO. Tataas pa siguro pagkatapos akong magpa-Oil Change. Bibili ulit ako para sa Elf truck ko rin."

wow! a jeepney overtaking a FX and a unverfiable 0.7km/L increase in fuel milage really proves. . . . NOTHING.

Mang 'Duping" Alegre is a very nice and likeable person when you get to meet and know him.
:nerd:

I'm sure he is very likable... But that does this have ANYTHING to do with the EGO device's claims?

[luckytruck]

can you imagine the ROI of this device in countries like the United States where fuel is so expensive? siguro 3 to 4 weeks na lang ROI nito.

Why don't we take this to the USA, it should sell like hotcakes.

nagmumunimuni lang

andy

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
Mang 'Duping" Alegre is a very nice, honest and likeable person when you get to meet and know him.
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Last edited by add616reneb on 10-05-2004 at 08:21 AM

I guess you simply have to add "HONEST", huh? i wonder why? To add credibility somehow?

:twak:

Maybe you should simply let the device speak for itself.

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by luckytruck
can you imagine the ROI of this device in countries like the United States where fuel is so expensive? siguro 3 to 4 weeks na lang ROI nito.

Why don't we take this to the USA, it should sell like hotcakes.

nagmumunimuni lang

andy

the US is chockfull of similar devices like this.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by add616reneb
To reiterate in simpler terms the working principle behind the EGO device, its features and advantages over other fuel saving gadgets, please read below:

wow!... in layman's terms is it?... let us read on.

Ang EGO ay isang "all-stainless steel (gauge-16) anti-pollution & fuel saving device" na nakafull-weld sa dulo ng tail-pipe ng anumang sasakyan (gasoline or diesel).

ok.

Dahil sa "revolutionary dual-venturi design" nito,...

The Venturi effect is the speeding up of air, or another fluid, as it passes through a constriction.

So dual venturi means dual constriction correct?

... napapa bilis "tremendously" ang "exhaust gas velocity" ....

btw, air does speed up... but only at the point of constriction. But air behind the constriction moves slower than normal. This results in increased backpressure.

... at para itong "super vacuum cleaner" na sina-suck-out lahat ng dumi (unburnt fuel, carbon deposits, etc.) sa "exhaust system" kasama na ang "combustion chamber" ng engine.

this you have to explain to me... since you are NOT answering my questions directly.

How much PSI vacuum pressure does it take to remove "lahat ng dumi" including carbon deposits from inside the engine and exhaust system?

... Kung malinis lagi ang "combustion chamber" gaganda ang"air-fuel ratio".

wow! a clean combustion chamber can improve your air-fuel ratio!

What is the connection with the fuel injection and air-intake system to do with the condition of the engine cylinders?

Dahil dito, "near perfect or almost 100%" na lagi ang "combustion or burning of fuel" sa engine: lalakas ang power at makatitipid ka sa "fuel consumption" mo at dahil kundisyon lagi ang makina, makatitipid ka rin sa "maintenance costs due to reduced frequency of next tune-ups, repairs and/or overhaul of engine".

less frequency of tune ups? how do you know? You don't even drive a car of your own, much less spent time maintaining one.

Pagdating naman sa "venturi section" ng EGO ng mga "exhaust gases", nagkakaroon ng "partial secondary oxidation". Mga "40% - 60% of the exhaust gases containing Carbon Monoxide and HC reacts with inducted Oxygen from air to form again Carbon Dioxide, traces of Nitrogen and water!" kaya nga tinawag na "EXHAUST GAS OXIDOZER" o EGo.

This I would love to test if I had a proper laboratory equiptment to test. We could install just the device on the test machine and pass a sample of exhaust air thru it then meassure the gasses after it has passed thru the device.

Anyway, ... the mention of the magic word "venturi"


The Venturi effect is the speeding up of air, or another fluid, as it passes through a constriction.

The gained fuel consumptions ranges from 10% - 20% for diesel and 20% - 30% for gasoline and power gained is 5% - 8%. Assuming P1,000/week fuel consumption, we calculate average savings of 20% or P200/week:

1. P6,000/P200 = 30weeks/4weeks per month = 7.5 months
2. Assuming also P2,000 costs of Tune-up/Oil change (every 3 - 6 months), the frequency will be doubled with the EGO installed but let us say that you saved only P1,000; the Effective R.O.I. will be about 4 - 6 months.

Let me see... simply by changing my driving habits and assuming I do P1000/week fuel consumption in "normal" driving, I can change my driving to maintain low rpms throughout my driving day. At the end of the week, I only have to tank up P800.

Wow! I have a P200 savings just after a week! And after 6 months, I should have saved P4,800.00 in fuel costs!

[bogart]

so when & where is this "EGO" test?

to see is to believe.

[pink_cadillac]

I often hate repeating myself, but we never really came into an agreement, but for your benefit, add616reneb, I will.

In case my exhaust pipe or any component or section of my vehicle suffers any oxidation or unwanted deformations as a result of the EGO's installation, and/or operation, and/or in the event of failure -detachment, I would require it to be restored to its original condition or replaced if necessary.

Can we have an agreement on this?

I am sorely apprehensive of taking the word of a jeepney driver about this product you see. They don't have real objective benchmarks to base their evaluations on.

[add616reneb]

Originally posted by pink_cadillac
I often hate repeating myself, but we never really came into an agreement, but for your benefit, add616reneb, I will.

In case my exhaust pipe or any component or section of my vehicle suffers any oxidation or unwanted deformations as a result of the EGO's installation, and/or operation, and/or in the event of failure -detachment, I would require it to be restored to its original condition or replaced if necessary.

Can we have an agreement on this?

I am sorely apprehensive of taking the word of a jeepney driver about this product you see. They don't have real objective benchmarks to base their evaluations on.

Here is our actual warranty to all our buyers:

"To ‘EGO’ Device Purchaser :

This is to declare that based on numerous scientific tests, actual road tests and users’ testimonies , we attest to our established claim that the ‘EGO’ device’s hi-performance capability will ensure beneficial favor to the actual users to wit :

• Outstanding Exhaust Emission Control : Guaranteed to Pass Emission Test (unless otherwise engine is unusually in very bad operating condition , or the Testing Equipment is clogged with dirt , carbon .and/or particulates);
• Substantial Fuel – Savings (Gasoline or Diesel);
• Notable Power and Torque increased .

Confident with the ‘EGO’ device’s inherent capabilities, we further assume the responsibility to pay for the replacement of any engine parts damaged directly attributed to the proper installation and normal usage of the ‘EGO’ device . Provided however, that such remote probability occurs within one (1) year from date of purchase of the ‘EGO’ device."

Of course, we can accomodate your request to go on with the "EGO Challenge". Please note that we don't cover the welding cost (about P150 - P200) as it is the customer's choice as to where (welding/muffler shop) he wants the device to be installed. A proper installation guide with the warranty is included when you purchase the EGO.


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[paolorenzo]

If the device is really that good, sana merong at least 2-week money back guarantee, no questions asked. I'm sure buyers will not return it just for kicks, if it really works. Siyempre they'll all be more than happy to keep the money-saving device di ba?