goodbye civic eg, hello sentra n16 ... can i fit you with an SR engine?

[isa1023]

This summer of 2010 I'm bound to wave sad-bye to my Civic EG which I have loved for long. The feeling just sucks. Anyway ....

I'll be the one paying for the monthly ammortisation of my mom/bro's n16.
I'll be partly owning it and will use it full time...

It's the gx variant with qg13dne engine (so underpowered, as they say)...


Yes,.. and switching from the sporty honda (with a quick modded jdm engine) to the eco-runner nissan (stock engine) makes the underpower really noticeable. And man, the so-high body roll...

Anyway, just want to know if indeed an SR20DE or at least an SR18DE could well fit in the hood to replace the stock 1.3 engine? Has anyone here tried that?

I know it aint a good idea replacing such stock, new, clean and lean burn engine into one with such higher displacements, especially since it's jdm surlplus,.. but just can't help but to want to do it.

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Also, any suggested mods to make the handling better? reduce body roll? would a strut bar alone help? ...

TIA

[ghosthunter]

from this forum:

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ication-2.html

... it seems to be possible to swap in a SR20 engine into the N16. Personally I haven't seen/heard of anyone doing such a swap locally yet.

[niky]

from this forum:

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ication-2.html

... it seems to be possible to swap in a SR20 engine into the N16. Personally I haven't seen/heard of anyone doing such a swap locally yet.

It should be possible. But if you want the job perfect, you'll need a newer SR20 from the US or Japan, so you can maintain dashboard functionality. (SR20 was avaliable with the N16/B16 bodies elsewhere) I don't know if the older distributor-type SR20s can mate up perfectly with the instrument panel.

[IGNITED]

Hehe feeling sad I understand, I feel for you. But it's ok since both cars are naturally eco cars anyway.. . As for the engine, N16 body is the equivalent of the USDM variant B16 (although there version is much more handsome), so meaning... surprise surprise... the B16 SE-R!!!

B16 Sentra SE-Rs have QR25DE meaning the 2.5 L same from our local 250 X-Trail! Now thats a lot of stock power were talking about exceeding Honda's B series and Nissan's SR series (200 hp for the new Se-R in the U.S.). Except for the SR NeoVVL engines (what the Japanese call "double Vtec" engines)..

W/ that why not try that engine also, choices would be SR16VE- strongest 1.6L ever made but rare 197 hp baby and SR20VE- 187hp and 204 newer version. For the partsyou can notice them SR NeoVVL by the way they sound. You know when the Honda V-Tec kicks in w/c the high high pitched engine sound goes on, in the NeoVVL, expect two high pitched sounds coming out at different rpms!! Thats why they say VVL stands for "Ver Very Loud". This happens due to the fact that NeoVVL engines unlike Honda, the intake and exhaust high lift cams engage at diff. time for a more flatter consistent power band. I heard one the other day in a B13 along edsa. Nasty.

[isa1023]

I see, thanks for the replies.

Although I really want to add power by replacing the QG with an SR engine, I wouldn't want to be the first to do it locally ... for compromise issues ...

But I heard of a tuning shop that specialises in Nissan engine swaps. It's something like DMF malapit sa Forced Speed? Not really sure ...

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I see. I'll keep myself posted until one local b16 owner actually swaps one in..

I also thought of the GA16DE, although Im quite fickle-minded about it.

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Since it can wait, guess I'll just have to work on the suspension first, especially on reducing the body roll. Hopefully a set of 16's mags and a strut bar would do just fine ... and a front stabilizer bar sana.

can't lower the car that much since my mother might occassionally use it..

Thanks again

[isa1023]

.. choices would be SR16VE- strongest 1.6L ever made ... in the NeoVVL, expect two high pitched sounds coming out at different rpms!! ...

That sounds exciting, but given its rarity plus the tag price ...
I can only go for an SR so I still have some for suspension/brake upgrades...

I heard one the other day in a B13 along edsa. Nasty.

Here's one reason why Sentras, especially sleeper types, are a bit of my scare when I cruise along EDSA, C5 and SLEX ... but now Im soon bound to be a Sentra person, this is something good and proud to begin with...

[alwayz_yummy]

kung bago n16 mo..its pointless to change the engine..unless brand-new din papalit mo..

tsaka, sr-engines are old(but reliable)....hanapin ko lang muna kung anu pinalit...

matic ba? SR20vet kabit mo hehehe

[ghosthunter]

VQ35DE engine na lang. 3.5L of V6 goodness.

[renzo_d10]

Ay. Sayang naman sir isa. Ganda pa naman ng eg mo ( well atleast by how you described it sa kabilang thread. )

Anyways, siguro you're right. Palit muna ng mags, add front stabilizer and strut bar. Then, kapag medyo di ka na alanganin sa choice mo to fit in a SR engine, do it.

Teka, magkano na ba bentahan ng SR engines today compared sa SR16VE ? I know rare siya, pero malay mo. hehe

[niky]

DMF specializes in RWD Nissan engine swaps. SR20 or RB25DET into anything you can think of. Not Sentras, but they might be able to do it.

[cd!]

But I heard of a tuning shop that specialises in Nissan engine swaps. It's something like DMF malapit sa Forced Speed?

Tapos ang problema mo... go to Street Specs banawe. If I were you either SR20VE or QR25DE para Se-R na. I think you can also interchange body parts w/ the more handsome USDM B16 in this. COOOOL! If overkill a SR20VET or DET is a good idea as well. As what enthusiasts say SRs and RB26 are bullet proof engines, kahit oldy matibay talaga.

[cd!]

Tapos ang problema mo... go to Street Specs banawe. If I were you either SR20VE or QR25DE para Se-R na. I think you can also interchange body parts w/ the more handsome USDM B16 in this. COOOOL! If overkill a SR20VET or DET is a good idea as well. As what enthusiasts say SRs and RB26 are bullet proof engines, kahit oldy matibay talaga.

Oh shoot! pahamak kc si sir Ignited... The USDM Sentra that I think you can interchange body parts is the B15 Sentra, not the B16. Coz these are the models (N16 and B15) that are similar in suspension chasis etc. And I'm sure Sir Ignited made a mistake about he's post. Baka nalito coz of the num. 16 by the word N16 and B16. haha.

[isa1023]

Budget is kind of tight:
70-80K pesos max
(should include engine and basic suspension/brake ups)
Kung may matira man, baka pang-mags nalang...
Naku sobrang tight pala talaga ng budget, I just realised.
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*sir always yummy:
Yeah the age of the engine actually came into my mind.
A friend even suggested to why not just rebore the stock QG13DE engine into at least a displacement of say 1600cc (1500cc at least),
then have some fuel controller system or something.
It's a manual .. the GX Power trim...
SR20VE could be out of the budget na po eh ...
Kasi I would just get some 70 (or 80K the most) from the sale money of the Civic.
The budget should have some left for suspension and brake ups as well, but it could be stretched if reasonable.

*sir gh:
The VQ - yeah one of the mainstay in WARD's best engines - I think is really way out of budget.

*sir renzo_d10:
Thanks po. But it really has to go.
Yep probably the first bolt-ons I'd do would be the strut bar and front stabilizer bar, kahit OEM nalang.
I was quite hesitant to look pa into NISMO tag prices eh.

Not really actually canvassing yet on prices, but the most likely choices left for me are the SR20DE or SR18DE.

*sir niky:
Oh I see, DMF is more like a place for Nissan drifters. I was thinking they're the best bet.
But still, it won't hurt to pay a visit though parang nakakalangan magtanong.
I see a picture of a shop with lots of Silvias and Sileighties.

*sir cd:
Street Specs?
The SR20VE is way out of budget na po yata.
More so the QR25DE which I suppose is the Xtrail engine.
Yep, bullet proof but I think hindi na po yata kasya yung straight-six RB engine.
And yes, the N16. First thing actually comes to mind pag B16 is the Honda engine eh. So, N16 nga po.

[niky]

At a 70-80k peso budget, focus on suspension, brakes and tires. If you want extra power, you can dabble with a Unichip (30k), which will give you some extra grunt in the midrange (probably around 10 ft-lbs of torque) and a little more top-end. Will make a big difference mated to a good exhaust... but getting an exhaust made for a 1.3 is kind of insane... though I've met guys who not only had an exhaust... but cams... on their 1.3s... (not QG13s, though) special kind of insanity

But 70-80k pesos worth of work on a QG13 won't make you even as fast as a QG16... at most, you'll probably be making around the same bhp (considering the QG13 already has 95 bhp), but a QG16 will still have much more torque.

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And yeah, swapping in an engine that's one or two model generations older into a car with no other problems than being slow isn't very practical. I guarantee you that you will have wiring problems... simply because of the generation gap between the engine and the chassis. Instruments won't match up. Your electrician will take months to figure things out... then go on a sabbatical because his brain's about to explode. Things may break.

The most trouble-free swaps are those where you swap in engines that are meant to go into the car you're swapping them into... which means the newer SR20s (get one from a Serena... there were manual ones) or the QR25 (Serena/X-Trail). And that will still involve ordering engine mounts and driveaxles, possibly from the US and acquiring an FSM or wiring guide so that your electrician won't get lost. It'll cost you well over 100k, considering how new the engines are and how much else you'll have to order. Ooh... don't forget the brakes!

If you want the best engine, you'll have to buy a QR25 from the US out of an SE-R Spec-V, to get the LSD-equipped six-speed and an extra 10-20 hp. Yeah, the SR16VE has more bhp... but in the real world, it won't have the mid-range grunt to keep up with a QR25.

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Again... suspension muna, bro. Think about power when you have a junker to play with or when you have the budget to do it right. ;)

[alwayz_yummy]

wag ka mag sr16ve....mabigat kaha ng n16 than the older b's....kaya nga sr20ve recomend ko..kasi galing sa primera, which is almost the same weight ng n16.... alam ko sa bigbigcar, si sir ghosthunter may pinost na sr20ve na for sale...

[alwayz_yummy]

If you want the best engine, you'll have to buy a QR25 from the US out of an SE-R Spec-V, to get the LSD-equipped six-speed and an extra 10-20 hp.

;)

so ung local qr25 ng xty ay 180ps na.. ung se-r na yan ay around 190-200ps.. deym..wala bang may AT para direct swap lang..

[isa1023]

Yup well said sir niky.
If only that n16 had a lighter and smaller body with sporty suspension, the qg13de should do just absolutely fine.

Anyway, Im not into racing na naman. Oks nako sa 150kph.

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Thanks again for the replies.
Turned out I didn't have the budget for the right swap and proper mods to match a more powerful (but older) engine in.

Maybe just spend the money on a decent stabilizer bar (the GS/GSX had them stock, damn ...) .... and a front strut bar .. plus some 16s mags and tires (pampalubag-loob man lang sa pagkawala nung isang car)....

I was just overwhelmed by the sudden want for more power, not realising the car and the pocket aint ready for it..

[alwayz_yummy]

1300 ba? sayang di na kasi tinuloy ng NMPI ung n16-180GT (1800 ang makina..kaya lang only in AT) kaya rarity ang 180gt na n16.. just like the 05 1.8 lancer MX-limited...matakaw sa gas ung 05-07 2.0 lancers gt and gsr!

eto tinutukoy kong sr20ve

[isa1023]

1300 ba? sayang di na kasi tinuloy ng NMPI ung n16-180GT (1800 ang makina..kaya lang only in AT) kaya rarity ang 180gt na n16.. just like the 05 1.8 lancer MX-limited...matakaw sa gas ung 05-07 2.0 lancers gt and gsr!

eto tinutukoy kong sr20ve

Yup 1300cc po sir.
Kasi naman we originally bought the car for my mom, so we thought oks na yung GX since she won't need/want more power from it naman.

I should have seen this coming...

Nung minsan nasa casa ako may nakasabay akong 180GT N16 na black. Cool car. The first and only unit Ive seen so far.

[niky]

Oh... almost forgot:

VQ35DE engine na lang. 3.5L of V6 goodness.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/378860