Patrol GU: zd30 or tb45 (your advise/comments needed)

[Freeway]

Need your advise regarding above subject mga bro's.
Planning to get a used suv with a budget of +/- 500k. Magkano na ba ngayon going rate for the early diesel Gu's. Quick search on sulit, says around 600+ pa ang selling price nito. Gas fed Gu's are around 500k naman. Recently got to know, that the zd30's is a bit of problematic. Are this kind of problems, happening locally? Or australia based engines lang to nangyayari? My understanding is, it has something to do with diesel quality, overboosting and such. Guys, can you enlighten us, about this. =) if theres such issues, can we prevent this from happening? Or parang grenade talaga yung zd30 engine? =)
About naman sa petrol engine GU, reliability should be good, but FC wise, im guessing malakas sya sa gas. Ang tanong ko mga sir is, gaano sya katakaw sa gas? Baka tipong kelangan, malapit garahe sa gas station. Haha

Advise naman po regarding this. Which should i get. Is the zd30 worth the risk po? Or the tb45 aint that bad with regards to mileage.

And if there are other suv you can recommend, suggest na lang po. (pero gusto ko talaga patrol.. Hehe hinde ko lang kaya yung '05 up series mga sir)

*considering Pajero FM na din siguro..

Salamat mga sir..

[chronophile]

I had a 2002 4500cc gas GU Patrol until I sold it this year. Was very satisfied with this tough truck. I've had many friends who have/had the 3.0 liter diesel variant.

FC - both practically same at 5-6km/l (mix city) 7-9km/l (highway). Of course diesel is cheaper to buy.

Power - gas wins for me, effortless, quick, better choice if unit will be bullet proofed, which my fellow 4500cc owner-friend did to his.

Longevity/maintenance - no contest here. The gas 4500cc wins. Practically bullet proof engine. Read forums both local and foreign especially the Aussie Patrol forums. The ZD30 issues are universal, not isolated to local diesel Patrols.

Two friends with the ZD30 units already had injectors and the turbo replaced after failure. Cost Php300K+++, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, the ZD30 is a ticking time bomb. I don't know if the latest GU Patrol (still ZD30, they're still selling brand new).

Curiously, another friend was on the hunt for a pre-owned diesel and most units he tested had no pulling power - meaning the turbos were already shot and were not replaced by the owners/traders. Tsk tsk tsk. Caveat emptor.

[vinj]

Per discussions on some older threads, it's really best to just avoid the earlier GUs (2001 - 2003/04) due to the problems these first units encountered. Our family has a 2005-06 version and it's already quite reliable with no problems encountered in the likes of the first ones.

If you'll be getting a busted ZD30, get it cheap then swap in a TD42 and turbo it.

[OTEP]

Theres a reason why i just leave my 01 gu and prefer to drive around in my 94 toyota. Hehe. Later models are ok.

[Freeway]

So general concensus says, best stay away from the early zd30 Gu's.
Td42 swap would be nice. But, it could be time consuming, due to parts availability.

Is it advisable to go for the 4500cc gas patrol then?
Or, just go for the diesel Pajero Fm..

Thanks guys

[vinj]

If you can stomach a FC of 3-4km/L in the city and 6-7km/l on the highway, or if you can find one of those rare Super Safari 4.5L gasoline engined ones (these have a newer engine and are said to be effing fast) and still take the FC then go for it. I also saw a guy who LPG'd his gasoline Patrol; FC was the same but at least the fuel was cheaper. I'm likewise not sure on the availability of engine parts for the gas variants but i do assume Nissan should be stocking them.

Otherwise, the Pajero would be more practical to go with really if you want less headaches and don't have the time to bother on vehicle service too much.

[Freeway]

Thats whats keeping me from getting the gas fed patrol. The FC. I initially thought it can stretched to around 9's at least on highwys, but seems otherwise.

Looks like i gotta get a Paj. Though tjis might be bit Ot, ill ask anyway.
Comparatively, the pajero Gen 2 and Pajero fieldmaster, which one is more recommended. Considering all factors, if you guys dont mind.
Thanks

[vinj]

Go for the 2.8L at the least. Better oomph and you can get an auto transmission. If you're going for the 95-98 models with the 2.5L engine, you're much better off with a Safari.

[OTEP]

I had a 96 Paj, it was slow as hell but it was reliable. Nothing major broke on that thing.

The hospital of my friend has a Paj FM in the fleet. Despite zero maintenace, it just keeps going.

[Freeway]

Good to hear that sir. Basically, it means I wont go wrong with either of the two. Well, i think i need to make a new thread/topic on the other* car talk section. Regarding, which to choose. =)

Thanks for your inputs mga bro.

[vinj]

Given conditions are equal, I'd go for the 2.8. Newer/fresher looking and more power outright.

[dvldoc]

As long as the ZD30 engine is running as it should and in a proper state of Tune it will last just as long as any other engine. All you need to do is 5 things, Install a Manual boost controller, Boost gauge, oil catch can and add 2T oil to your fuel at 200:1 ratio every tank, Clean the MAF every 12000klm.

[shiznit]

Alin ba mas efficient sir 2.5 or 2.8 engine ng pajero?

[Freeway]

Side question guys,
On FM Paj, commonly available is the 4x2 models, if i choose to convert it to 4x4. Is the conversion kit widely available, like the ones for the GU Patrols. And would conversion be easy to do? And how much, would it cost, if its readily available.

"yun kasi nakikita kong advantage ng 97-98 paj..


Would this be a double post, if i copy this query on the mitsu thread?
Thanks

[glenn321]

My 02 Nissan Patrol(ZD30) 4x2 A/T had 115tkms already no problem until now.Medyo mabagal lang sya dahil sa front and rear steel bumpers and bigger mags but nakakareach parin ng 140km/h and my dad's 04 Nissan Patrol(ZD30) 4x4 A/T had 153tkm already no problem very good running condition. Fuel consumption same lang ang ZD30 and TB45 price lang nagka-iba. My 02 Patrol consumes 4-5km/l city and highway not sure but everytime pumupunta ako ng Anilao,Batangas 1kpesos diesel balikan na average speed 120m/h .

[vinj]

Side question guys,
On FM Paj, commonly available is the 4x2 models, if i choose to convert it to 4x4. Is the conversion kit widely available, like the ones for the GU Patrols. And would conversion be easy to do? And how much, would it cost, if its readily available.

"yun kasi nakikita kong advantage ng 97-98 paj..


Would this be a double post, if i copy this query on the mitsu thread?
Thanks

It's not a plug and play thing to do AFAIK. Unlike with the Patrol where the 4x4 was basically deactivated by removing some parts, the Paj set up is really a 4x2.

Throw in the Safari as as well.