Scooter sa slex? pwede b dumaan?

[ILuvDetailing]

its a case to case basis...

[mazdamazda]

boybi... naka kita na rin ako ng ganyan.

naka stop ang traffic sa EDSA. may sumingit na scooter in between two trucks... a guy and a girl.

nawalan ng balance yung guy... yung girl naka talon... pero yung guy humampas sa gulong ng truck. tapos sabay umandar yung truck. kung nangyari yung just 1 feet ahead...

[Tag]

i guess not. i have encountered a scooter who squeezed itself infront of a sugarcane truck, when the traffic light turned green, the truck just run over the scooter, crashing it into tiny pieces. good thing the rider was able to jump off the scooter.

Don't take it too literally bro. It should be "almost non-existent." I was just stressing the point. Of course the risk of death is always present. Heck, even if you are sleeping in your house, a sugarcane truck can smash into your house and kill you.

The point is that the risk is too minimal, to be judged as being reckless. The risk of you driving a car and overtaking is much greater than getting in front of a traffic light queue. If this is your standard of recklessness, every driver who overtook anything should be considered reckless.

tapos yung scooter rider pa yung galit na galit, hindi daw tumitingin yung driver ng truck. e ogags pala sya, ang laki laki ng front end ng sugarcane truck, mga world war 2 vintage 6x6 army trucks ang mga sugarcane trucks dito, talagang hindi sya makikita.

That's true. I agree with the truck driver in this instance. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's always applicable to squeeze through a traffic light queue. Riders should still be cautious and make good judgements.

[boybi]

the whole point is, motorcycles have an exponentially higher chance of sustaining serious body injuries, if not death, than cars. and add to that the driving habits of drivers here in the philippines, be it 2-wheeled or 4+ wheeled vehicles, and still a lot of people want to gamble their lives by wanting to lift the ban on sub-400cc motorcycles along the expressways.

PS: in reply to a few posts in this thread stressing that there were fewer recorded accidents involving motorcycles than 4+ wheeled vehicles, that is statistically correct because there are also fewer registered motorcycles than 4+ wheeled vehicles. the best gauge is to get the percentage of accidents against the number of registered motorcycles.

[just4u]

when you're around trucks - be extra cautious.... whether you're in a scooter or in a car.... everyone knows that you must distant yourself from those big trucks... and as for the car users - aside from using the side mirrors - turn your head left and right to check your blind spot.... siguro this would apply in any way that you drive and whomever you share the road with, imho...

[wren]

we can go back and forth on this topic (and sometimes wander off it ), and there are some valid points from both sides, but at the end of the day, scooters and motorcycles are here to stay, they're not going anywhere, anytime soon. we will be sharing the roads with them, may it be the alleys, streets, highways or expressways, so we might as well try to co-exist with them peacefully and respectfully, and of course vice-versa. the thing that bothers me most about this thread is that a certain group is being pigeonholed and targeted, and certain rights and freedom are at risk. just my opinion...peace, love, and understanding everyone.

[nugundam93]

naalala ko tuloy yung dalawang naka-scooter that cracked the left taillight of our pajero.

ganito kasi nangyari:

i was travelling along the edsa-GMA flyover's 2nd lane at about 12am last year. we slowed down sa pagtapos ng paahon na area kasi there was a series 2 sentra that t-boned an ek-body ESi and they were in the 1st lane and occupying a portion of the 2nd lane, but not enough to close the 2nd lane. so shempre, slow down kami lahat para magkasya kami sa remainder ng 2nd lane and the 3rd lane. i hear a loud *crack* sound, akala ko may nagulungan ako na bubog since malapit na kami and maraming bubug. a few seconds later, i see the scooter with 2 riders pass by my left side, and another few seconds after that, they hit the civic that was t-boned by the sentra, sending both riders flying.

my mom discovered the cracked taillight when i got home.

i hope they just didn't see the cars as they were going really fast (well, katangahan na ito) and not because they were drunk (which is another bad thing).

i kept laughing the whole day because of that. call me evil, but they got what they were asking for, di sila nag-ingat man lang coz all the traffic had slowed down already.

but just as a disclaimer, they are the rotten apples ruining the reputation of the whole bunch.

[oldblue]

Assuming the toll plazas were actually designed with only four or more wheeled vehicles in mind, what gives anyone the right to arbitrarily and illegally ban motorcycles? Why should motorcyclists pay the price for some traffic planners' mistake? Many toll plazas actually have space for a 4 feet wide line to be added especially for motorcycles if the imagined huge increase in the use of motorcycles on tollways ever happened. The toll fees they pay would easily cover the cost.

this is a good argument. but bakit nga ba?


kung tuusin nga malaki ang puwede kitain ng expressway kung papasukin ang motorcyle population, that can result to addl. 50% - 70% more additional income for for their road maintenance fund. and good business pa coz motorcycles are light, d gano maka-depreciate ng expressway roads.

but they dont allow entry pa din. think about it ...


for a govt. that is always criticized for its money making scheme at the expense of its citizens, nakakapagtaka nga ito? unless the govt. in this case is really prioritizing life & safety over profits. maybe d'ba?

[oldblue]

Every driver in the Philippines who has used SLEX or NLEX will confirm that buses, trucks and commercial vehicles are by far the greatest cause of congestion, especially when they stay in the passing lane forcing other vehicles to weave left and right to get past slow moving, often dilapidated wrecks in every lane. The PNCC seem to be incapable of enforcing the existing rules by stopping this practice and continues to allow access to dilapidated wrecks, often with illegal or no lights. Addressing this problem may help reduce the congestion and the frustration of drivers far more than banning motorcycles ever could.

easy to say but hard to do. if the PNCC adds this to their job description -> checking/scrutinizing each entering vehicle of working lights/dilapidated tires etc... then another 1st for the Phils! expressways with an entry vehicle queue stretching as far as EDSA and this is daily. just imagine a regular E-pass cardholder being checked everyday if his car's lights are broken/malfunctioning ...

[boybi]

i was always wondering why a lot of motorcycles remove their side mirrors?

[CtrlAltDel]

i was always wondering why a lot of motorcycles remove their side mirrors?

OT.

I posed the same challenge on a post at the motorcyclephilippines.com forum and guess what. Nobody answered. I ride, too, and at the risk of being branded an outcast, or worse, "mayabang" by my riding brethren, let me conjecture:

1. Side mirrors are so un-macho! They look like insect feelers, for Pete's sake! Remove them!
2. My underbone is so subdued and looked so law-abiding with side mirrors. That's not what I want. I want it to look cool and rebel-looking. Remove them!
3. My cub look puny. I want it to look aggressive like me. Gusto ko tigasin din ang motor ko. Remove the mirrors!
4. I want to swerve left and right at will. These stupid mirrors only get in the way. Remove them!
5. I have all sorts of customization on my bike. Stickers, aftermarket parts, the works. Heck, who cares if I throw away fully-functional and original, factory parts! Besides, these lousy mirrors destroy the mottiff. Remove them!
6. I race my bike on the street, dammit! The mirrors only serve nothing but add weight. Remove them!

What? Side mirrors are important? I thought they were like the plastic covers that came with the bike which should be removed before use, hehehe.

[dragon21]

OT.

5. I have all sorts of customization on my bike. Stickers, aftermarket parts, the works. Heck, who cares if I throw away fully-functional and original, factory parts! Besides, these lousy mirrors destroy the mottiff. Remove them!

This is one thing I hate about some of those really stupid, pretentious riders. There's a store in Sta. Rosa, Laguna that caters to those motorcycles that sells the original chrome emblems of Honda.

Saan nila kinukuha iyon, eh di ibig sabihin ninanakaw nila mga emblem/logo ng mga honda cars para mailagay sa motor nila. Obvious naman na nakaw eh. Putsa, meron pa ngang mga "VTEC" doon eh. P500-750 bentahan. Takot na tuloy akong mag-street parking. Walangya, sinong niloloko nila, sarili nila, VTEC na XRM?

[dragon21]

i was always wondering why a lot of motorcycles remove their side mirrors?

They probably think that the "cute" factor far, far, far outweighs the usefulness of a sidemirror...

Besides they'll have enough reasons to justify why they didn't see a vehicle as they recklessly weave the traffic.

Motorcycle riders that had their sidemirror removed obviously has something missing in their head, and it's not the side mirror.

Common sense is not always common, after all.

[badkuk]

perhaps some MC'ers can enlighten us on the side mirror issue?

[badsekktor]

Like everybody have said over and over... there are bad apples and good apples. similar to drivers who turns without even using their signal lights and looking at their sidemirrors... that is why inspection is needed. I mean if they could check if you are wearing your seatbelts... i guess they could check also if you have working lights. Every tollway exit has guards around it so i believe that they could enforce that one also...

[badsekktor]

bro hindi kaya vtec na pang big bike emblem/logo?? may vtec din kasi na big bike

[dragon21]

bro hindi kaya vtec na pang big bike emblem/logo?? may vtec din kasi na big bike

Pero XRM or wave 'yung motor. pare, just the same, di kaya ninakaw 'din yun? OT na to: A lot of honda scooters here are sporting the "H" logo that is found only in Honda cars. Kung bentahan nila P500, imposibleng from casa 'yun, dahil at least P1,500 sa casa isang set nun. So, I can only guess na sinikwat 'yun from cars.

Simply, kung walang demand, walang supplier for that, kung walang supplier, walang magnanakaw... ;(. Kaya lang there's probably a strong demand from Honda scooter riders for those H logos.

Again, I'd like to clear things, I'm not saying that all motor riders are pretentious and irresponsible, but there's really a strong number of irresponsible riders, just as there's probably only a minority of responsible cage drivers.

And it's only now that I realize that any study made elsewhere in the world re: motorcycle safety in the road, will probably be tantamount to nil here, considering that Filipinos, too often, behaves and acts differently in our own country. Sadly, "discipline" is not in our vocabulary when we're here in our country. The value of discipline surfaces only when we're in Singapore, US, Europe or the Middle East, or abroad.

Tsk tsk tsk.

[badsekktor]

Pero XRM or wave 'yung motor. pare, just the same, di kaya ninakaw 'din yun? OT na to: A lot of honda scooters here are sporting the "H" logo that is found only in Honda cars. Kung bentahan nila P500, imposibleng from casa 'yun, dahil at least P1,500 sa casa isang set nun. So, I can only guess na sinikwat 'yun from cars.

Simply, kung walang demand, walang supplier for that, kung walang supplier, walang magnanakaw... ;(. Kaya lang there's probably a strong demand from Honda scooter riders for those H logos.

Again, I'd like to clear things, I'm not saying that all motor riders are pretentious and irresponsible, but there's really a strong number of irresponsible riders, just as there's probably only a minority of responsible cage drivers.

And it's only now that I realize that any study made elsewhere in the world re: motorcycle safety in the road, will probably be tantamount to nil here, considering that Filipinos, too often, behaves and acts differently in our own country. Sadly, "discipline" is not in our vocabulary when we're here in our country. The value of discipline surfaces only when we're in Singapore, US, Europe or the Middle East, or abroad.

Tsk tsk tsk.

No offense sir but if we are to follow your logic, we should be banning the four wheels instead of the two wheels since they have higher incidents of deaths and casualties compared to bikes that is according to LTO. IMHO

[dragon21]

No offense sir but if we are to follow your logic, we should be banning the four wheels instead of the two wheels since they have higher incidents of deaths and casualties compared to bikes that is according to LTO. IMHO

aren't we barking at the wrong tree?

it's not the wheels (whether 2-,3-,4- or 10-) that's the root of the problem here. It's the riders/drivers that move these vehicles. The solution is to overhaul the pervasive problem: irresponsibility, courtesy and discipline.

I don't have an issue with motorcycles, but I certainly have issues with reckless driving/riding. In fact, I even agreed with you that they can share the SLEX, if preconditions (e.g. helmet, safety precautions) are observed, and driving rules strictly implemented.

and just for the record, i have never mentioned the word "banning" in that post, so i really didn't get your point ;)

[badsekktor]

aren't we barking at the wrong tree?

it's not the wheels (whether 2-,3-,4- or 10-) that's the root of the problem here. It's the riders/drivers that move these vehicles. The solution is to overhaul the pervasive problem: irresponsibility, courtesy and discipline.

I don't have an issue with motorcycles, but I certainly have issues with reckless driving/riding. In fact, I even agreed with you that they can share the SLEX, if preconditions (e.g. helmet, safety precautions) are observed, and driving rules strictly implemented.

and just for the record, i have never mentioned the word "banning" in that post, so i really didn't get your point ;)

no offense sir but most comments here are concerned that riders using sub-400 cc bikes are irresponsible that is why they are concerned for their safety if they will be allowed in the expressways as the name of the thread applies. And your analogy says that we have lots of irresponsible riders and cagers so if that would be followed. the ban should be applied to the 4 wheels since they have a higher percentage of being involved in an accident according to LTO. We must also think of their safety din since marami rin irresponsible drivers. peace