Scooter sa slex? pwede b dumaan?

[dragon21]

My dad (+) drove a motorcycle for almost 15 years. That was the only mode of transportation he was able to afford. He drove his bike in an almost (exaggeratedly) safe manner. As far as I can recall, he figured in an accident (none his fault) only three times, suffering only very minor injuries. I learned how to drive a motorcycle before I even learned how to operate a car's radio. And so I have quite an affinity for motorcycle drivers.

But lately, as I daily drive for four years now from home to office (Laguna-Makati via C5, SLEX), I am growing more and more wary of bikes. I always see those really big bikes coming in from Magallanes usually exiting at Alabang and many of them are driving recklessly as if they're immortal. Ako natatakot para sa kanila. What if biglang mag-skid at sumemplang? Can the vehicle they have just overtaken afford to stop safely? I have already witnessed a similar accident at C5, a van (Pregio, Besta, the likes) was unable to stop after a bike that just overtook him skidded. Naibato ng van 'yung motor ng probably 15-20 metres. 'yung rider tumilansik buti hindi nasagasaan. I surmise that he'd be lucky if he suffered just a few broken ribs by the impact. di ko alam kung anong nangyari later pero kawawa rin pati driver ng van who was cruising at around 60kph within legal speed limit. The accident happened beside my lane right almost in front of us. Unfortunately, because my wife was riding with me then, all hopes of getting a bike of my own was dashed instantaneously. he he he

All the more I am convinced that they should not be allowed except if they be provided with their own lane so that they will not weave their way through traffic or overtake vehicles running at 60-100 kph. Kasi kung bilis at bilis, I think those bikes can very well overtake cars, but the question of safety is the more critical question. My opinion.

[knicks1204]

sabi ng driver namin which drives a scooter, 250cc daw ang minimum na pwede sa highway.. just letting you know guys..

[xpg]

there are bad apples talaga everywhere that ruin the image of all the "good" drivers/riders. I've also seen members of certain car clubs racing along NLEX - way, way beyond the speed limit. I've even seen motorcycles racing with sports cars also along the NLEX - weaving in and out of traffic - also way beyond the speed limit.

the thing is its very easy to generalize either way. everytime we get cut off by a reckless jeepney driver or a mc riding delivery boy, its very tempting to say na "reckless talaga mga naka motor" or "reckless talaga mga drivers."

given na mas grabe ang kalalabasan pag na accidente ka and naka MC ka, we car drivers should be extra careful when we encounter these people on the road. I personally always give MCs enough space (kahit bastos yung mga iba) pag gusto nilang sumingit - mauuna din naman yan sa yo whether you like it or not. In any case, the last thing I want is to end up in an accident where someone gets seriously hurt - and mas malaki ang chances nito pag MC ang nabangga mo.

[badsekktor]

there are bad apples talaga everywhere that ruin the image of all the "good" drivers/riders. I've also seen members of certain car clubs racing along NLEX - way, way beyond the speed limit. I've even seen motorcycles racing with sports cars also along the NLEX - weaving in and out of traffic - also way beyond the speed limit.

the thing is its very easy to generalize either way. everytime we get cut off by a reckless jeepney driver or a mc riding delivery boy, its very tempting to say na "reckless talaga mga naka motor" or "reckless talaga mga drivers."

given na mas grabe ang kalalabasan pag na accidente ka and naka MC ka, we car drivers should be extra careful when we encounter these people on the road. I personally always give MCs enough space (kahit bastos yung mga iba) pag gusto nilang sumingit - mauuna din naman yan sa yo whether you like it or not. In any case, the last thing I want is to end up in an accident where someone gets seriously hurt - and mas malaki ang chances nito pag MC ang nabangga mo.

I agree with you sir! Everytime na dumadaan ako sa expressways lagi ako nagtataka bakit parang ang bagal ng takbo ko and im doing 80 kph and sometimes 90-95 kph pero ang bagal pa rin at lahat eh sobrang bibilis! Ang alam ko eh 60-100 kph lang ang allowed inside the tollways.... kung ganun pala eh ang daming violators sa expressways! bakit kaya walang ginagawa ang mga toll officials dito??? pero kahit na ganun i still feel much safer sa expressways compared to highways.

[ILuvDetailing]

I don't think its generalizing, they're just describing what we see and experience during our daily commute, can you blame us ofcourse di lang motor kasama na yung ibang motorist dun. We lost our former employee in a bike accident (wasn't his fault). Our customer's employee was seriously injured (broken jaw, concussion, needed serious reconstructive surgery). Don't say I'm generalizing cuz this a motorcycle thread.

Fact is your chances of survival in a motorcycle accident is greatly reduced, coupled with a lot of moron car, bus, jeepney, etc drivers around you. Driving etiquet isn't exactly in the vocabulary of drivers in our country.

[badsekktor]

I don't think its generalizing, they're just describing what we see and experience during our daily commute, can you blame us ofcourse di lang motor kasama na yung ibang motorist dun. We lost our former employee in a bike accident (wasn't his fault). Our customer's employee was seriously injured (broken jaw, concussion, needed serious reconstructive surgery). Don't say I'm generalizing cuz this a motorcycle thread.

Fact is your chances of survival in a motorcycle accident is greatly reduced, coupled with a lot of moron car, bus, jeepney, etc drivers around you. Driving etiquet isn't exactly in the vocabulary of drivers in our country.

Sensya na po if i sounded that way. im not trying to anger anybody sir, Im just trying to answer the questions/issues that our comrade has raised. peace brother! yun kasing phrase is generalized

[Tag]

I agree with you sir! Everytime na dumadaan ako sa expressways lagi ako nagtataka bakit parang ang bagal ng takbo ko and im doing 80 kph and sometimes 90-95 kph pero ang bagal pa rin at lahat eh sobrang bibilis! Ang alam ko eh 60-100 kph lang ang allowed inside the tollways.... kung ganun pala eh ang daming violators sa expressways! bakit kaya walang ginagawa ang mga toll officials dito??? pero kahit na ganun i still feel much safer sa expressways compared to highways.

It doesn't hurt the traffic when your speed is, say 110kph. It even helps since you are not impeding any traffic.

Ang dapat hinuhuli yung mga snail pace na sasakyan. Dapat nga hindi pinapapasok sa express yung mga sasakyan na hindi makatakbo ng minimum speed limit eh.

Eto kasi yung mga cause ng traffic. When two of these snail pace automobiles occupy both lanes synchronously, expect a heavy traffic before them to build up.

[badsekktor]

It doesn't hurt the traffic when your speed is, say 110kph. It even helps since you are not impeding any traffic.

Ang dapat hinuhuli yung mga snail pace na sasakyan. Dapat nga hindi pinapapasok sa express yung mga sasakyan na hindi makatakbo ng minimum speed limit eh.

Eto kasi yung mga cause ng traffic. When two of these snail pace automobiles occupy both lanes synchronously, expect a heavy traffic before them to build up.

I also agree with you sir! those vehicles that cannot cope up with the speed limits should not be allowed access within the expressways. There should also be a margin for error about the speeds like +/- on the speed limits kasi for sure hindi na calibrated mga speedometer nyan lalo na pag may modifications na sa sasakyan. about dun sa maximum... Im not sure if that is a law pero dapat sinusunod ang speed limits. I mean sa abroad nga di ba ang dami nahuhuli sa pag-violate ng speed limits? Ang problem po kasi eh may speed range sa loob ng tollways. Ok lang sana kung iisa ka lang gagamit ng tollways. If you are doing 110 sa expressways tapos several vehicles are running 60 kph, it is like doing 50 kph with obstacles around you so medyo delikado. kung itataas ang max speed, dapat itaas din yun minimum speed IMO

[badsekktor]

another thing... allowing motorcycles in the expressways should always come with regulations like proper lights! proper gears etc. We dont want additional fools running around the freeways. There is also a proposal that the riders that should be allowed inside the freeways should get a license or certificate from a recognized riding school which is independent from LTO(to avoid corruption)

[dragon21]

another thing... allowing motorcycles in the expressways should always come with regulations like proper lights! proper gears etc. We dont want additional fools running around the freeways. There is also a proposal that the riders that should be allowed inside the freeways should get a license or certificate from a recognized riding school which is independent from LTO(to avoid corruption)

This one sounds ok! ;) The law enforcers should also be trained accordingly. We have enough laws to clean this country. We don't have enought teeth to ensure that these laws are enforced.

Slightly OT. If I'll have my way, I'll also move to purge the streets of obviously non-qualified drivers and riders. I think I'll require everyone when they renew their license to take a REAL examination, void of "lagayan", and "palakasan". Probably a computerized exam that will instantaneously print your license if your qualified or revoke your license if not. That way, at the very least I'll strip the streets of those "No Read, No Write."

[erict]

basta disiplina lang ang kailangan...

[Tag]

i have yet to see a single motorcycle that does not squeeze itself in-between two vehicles or staying behind another vehicle when the traffic light is in red, they all squeeze themselves into the front line in an intersection whenever they can. but maybe i haven't encountered a tsikot rider yet.

That's an unfair basis. That's not being reckless. When automobiles are all queued by the traffic light, it's not reckless for bikes to squeeze through. The risk of fatality in this situation is non-existent. Riders are just being pragmatic. They are using the few advantages a motorcycle have. Like getting in front of a traffic light queue.

When a rider squeezes itself between two MOVING vehicles at dangerous speeds, that's what you can call reckless. But passing a still vehicle? I don't think so. I think it just hurts the ego of some drivers (not all) to see these "inferior" vehicles move past them. That's what it is.

[boybi]

That's an unfair basis. That's not being reckless. When automobiles are all queued by the traffic light, it's not reckless for bikes to squeeze through. The risk of fatality in this situation is non-existent. Riders are just being pragmatic. They are using the few advantages a motorcycle have. Like getting in front of a traffic light queue.

i guess not. i have encountered a scooter who squeezed itself infront of a sugarcane truck, when the traffic light turned green, the truck just run over the scooter, crashing it into tiny pieces. good thing the rider was able to jump off the scooter.

tapos yung scooter rider pa yung galit na galit, hindi daw tumitingin yung driver ng truck. e ogags pala sya, ang laki laki ng front end ng sugarcane truck, mga world war 2 vintage 6x6 army trucks ang mga sugarcane trucks dito, talagang hindi sya makikita.

[Tag]

Im not sure if that is a law pero dapat sinusunod ang speed limits. I mean sa abroad nga di ba ang dami nahuhuli sa pag-violate ng speed limits? Ang problem po kasi eh may speed range sa loob ng tollways. Ok lang sana kung iisa ka lang gagamit ng tollways. If you are doing 110 sa expressways tapos several vehicles are running 60 kph, it is like doing 50 kph with obstacles around you so medyo delikado. kung itataas ang max speed, dapat itaas din yun minimum speed IMO

Of course, you're right about doing 50kph with obstacles. But it shouldn't be the case if the expressway regulations are being followed. In the first place, those vehicles doing 60kph have no business to be in the passing lane. They should stay in the slow lane. And if that's the case, those who are doing 110kph shouldn't encounter "obstacles" when using the passing lane. They may encounter vehicles running at about 90-100kph in which case they can easily slow down a bit.

If this particular regulation is strictly implemented (being on the correct lane), I don't see why increasing the maximum speed will be a problem.

[badsekktor]

Of course, you're right about doing 50kph with obstacles. But it shouldn't be the case if the expressway regulations are being followed. In the first place, those vehicles doing 60kph have no business to be in the passing lane. They should stay in the slow lane. And if that's the case, those who are doing 110kph shouldn't encounter "obstacles" when using the passing lane. They may encounter vehicles running at about 90-100kph in which case they can easily slow down a bit.

If this particular regulation is strictly implemented (being on the correct lane), I don't see why increasing the maximum speed will be a problem.

yun na nga lang ang problema.... kelangan lang talaga eh properly followed ang lane segregation

[ILuvDetailing]

again not generalizing...

Its ok if they squeze in between cars as long there is enough space, problem arises when they squeeze in between cars in spaces they barely or not fit in at all causing damage to vehicles.

[wren]

again not generalizing...

Its ok if they squeze in between cars as long there is enough space, problem arises when they squeeze in between cars in spaces they barely or not fit in at all causing damage to vehicles.

ibang usapan na yan...they do that?

[mrpink]

OT: my one encounter with a scooter .. i was turning left from katipunan to UP at cp garcia .. (pre U-turn era) .. naka stop ako kasi red yung stop light .. scooter tried to squeeze his way at my right .. sumabit sa front bumper ko .. biglang takbo yung scooter .. habulin ko dapat .. pero kasama ko gf ko sabi ko dehins na .. nung nag-go .. pagandar ko i heard this scraping sound .. natanggal yung bumper ko ! ..

moral of the lesson: don't buy mitsubshi galant ('98) .. yun yung sasakyan ko nun .. konting nudge lang natanggal akad yung bumper ! ..

back on topic .. as far as i'm concerned .. scooters have as much right on the road .. just ride responsibly .. but if you try to play chicken with a car .. prepare to be humpty dumpty after the fall ..

[badsekktor]

hmm malayo ang nararating ng mga comments natin at medyo napapalayo na tayo sa topic.

[ILuvDetailing]

ibang usapan na yan...they do that?

Yup... There are cases... Specially during rush hour and bumper to bumper traffic.