Scooter sa slex? pwede b dumaan?

[oldblue]

in my opinion, bikers/riders should not be allowed to travel NLEX/SLEX for the very reason na madaming talaga barumbadong 4-wheeler up na drivers.
nobody can guarantee their safety. not even the President or even congress passing a law that requires 4 wheelers or up motorists to treat 2-wheelers humanely or with respect.

if sobrang high-spirited ang biker at ayaw papipigil, then it's a free country naman. whatever your heart desires, tuloy ang ligaya. know the risks nga lang, and be prepared to face the consequences. stop whining kung may untoward incident na nangyari. after all it's your decision. one fact of life: madami talaga tao na kapag nakakita ng mas maliit sa kanila (4 wheeler vs. 2 wheeler) lumalabas ang pagka-animal instinct, and they take pleasure in such acts. it's beyond anybody's control. and often times, spur of the moment spontaneous act ito.

[heightdeprived]

since prohibited ang mga sub 400cc bikes sa loob ng expressways, i don't think magiging liable ka kung nasagi mo yung bike. paki clarify nalang mga lawyers ng tsikot. siguro yung tollway operator ang dapat maging liable dahil pinapasok nila sa expressway yung bike?

and since our bike enthusiasts here want to lift the ban on sub 400cc bikes in the expressways, does that mean that tricycles should also be allowed to use the expressways?

ah no, just to let the motorcycles pass through the tollways, on a note, and by testing waters, a usual pasaway rider won't venture in the use of the tollways, and tollway fees will keep these riders from plying th etollways, so i don't think na gano'n karaming bikers ang dadaan sa tollways when they allow sub 400's in... Just my humble opinion.

[FPJ]

Hey break it guys. Off topic na kayo eh. Konting lamig lang mga parekoys. Dito pa lang banggaan na kayo eh. What more sa expressways? Baka may madamay pa kayo. Back on track, IMHO di talaga pwede sa expressways ang scooters. Period.

Sino naman nagsabi sayo na di pwede....I have a Kymco Xciting 500cc scooter...Bakit pwede? baka mas mahal pa ang scooter ko sa kotse mo.

[BlueBimmer]

Sino naman nagsabi sayo na di pwede....I have a Kymco Xciting 500cc scooter...Bakit pwede? baka mas mahal pa ang scooter ko sa kotse mo.

mas mahal pala 500cc Kymco sa Innova J?

[konde]

Sino naman nagsabi sayo na di pwede....I have a Kymco Xciting 500cc scooter...Bakit pwede? baka mas mahal pa ang scooter ko sa kotse mo.

kala ko yung thread ay tungkol sa motorcycles sa expressways? pamahalan pala ng sasakyan!

IMHO, i think this post is way OT and irresponsible!

[BlueBimmer]

kala ko yung thread ay tungkol sa motorcycles sa expressways? pamahalan pala ng sasakyan!

IMHO, i think this post is way OT and irresponsible!

yep. yung mga naka Z4, naka Merc di nga ganyan magsalita e tsktsk

[leinahtan]

Sino naman nagsabi sayo na di pwede....I have a Kymco Xciting 500cc scooter...Bakit pwede? baka mas mahal pa ang scooter ko sa kotse mo.

ganito ba ang scooter mo?
may P2M ba ang scooter mo? kung yes mas mahal nga. If no, then you gotta stop bragging about its value. I know you love your baby as much as I love mine therefore we should be considerate on where to use our own rides where they belong not for one's own safety only but to others as well. Meri Cmas.

[forbiddensmoke]

makikisingit lang po... may scooter na 110cc... yamaha mio at nouvo... actually 113.7cc sila.

my nouvo can go 0-80 in less than 10 seconds. Topspeed is 110-115kph... pwede na siguro yun sa expressways kaya lang ayoko pa... takot ako eh! hehe... :D

pero para sa akin, di siguro pwede yung maliliit na scooter na sobrang gaan sa expressways... yung tipong naaangat mo yung rear side with just 1 hand s sobrang gaan (honda dio, yamaha jog, other and china scoots basta 90cc below). IMHO lang po.

[konde]

pero para sa akin, di siguro pwede yung maliliit na scooter na sobrang gaan sa expressways... yung tipong naaangat mo yung rear side with just 1 hand s sobrang gaan (honda dio, yamaha jog, other and china scoots basta 90cc below). IMHO lang po.

i agree

ayan, balik na tayo sa topic ha! and no name-calling please!

merry xmas

[falken]

Mas mabuti siguro kung may special lanes sa Tollways para sa scooters and below 100cc. na motorbikes.
And guys, everybody's entitled to their own opinions, so please keep your cool and refrain from name calling. Peace and Merry X'mas to all.

[morrissey_05]

Mas mabuti siguro kung may special lanes sa Tollways para sa scooters and below 100cc. na motorbikes.
And guys, everybody's entitled to their own opinions, so please keep your cool and refrain from name calling. Peace and Merry X'mas to all.

this is a good idea. i think they have this in thailand i think and it works like a charm.

[Raiderx150]

Mas mabuti siguro kung may special lanes sa Tollways para sa scooters and below 100cc. na motorbikes.
And guys, everybody's entitled to their own opinions, so please keep your cool and refrain from name calling. Peace and Merry X'mas to all.

Mas mahirap yata sir yun may special lanes pa, dag dag lane lang na dadaanan ng bus and other 4 wheels just like what are they doing on the emergency shoulders right now ...

[cumbersome]

I don't really have anything against motorcycles in the expressway, so long as:

-Drivers wear their helmets. Passengers included.
-They have side mirrors. Most don't, and that's really asking for it.
-They follow traffic rules. Most think that one way or no-U-turn signs does not include them. Goodness.

The LTO should really be strict in granting licenses to riders, considering that a minor collision that would simply dent a car could maim or kill a biker.

[Kei2]

I don't really have anything against motorcycles in the expressway, so long as:

-Drivers wear their helmets. Passengers included.
-They have side mirrors. Most don't, and that's really asking for it.
-They follow traffic rules. Most think that one way or no-U-turn signs does not include them. Goodness.

The LTO should really be strict in granting licenses to riders, considering that a minor collision that would simply dent a car could maim or kill a biker.

I agree with you sir. I am also a biker wanting to have the ban lifted but with certain conditions.

- Only a minimum of 2 bikes should be allowed to enter NLEX/SLEX. If
you are alone, you should wait for another bike. Riding solo will minimize
visibility, and will be too tempting for big rigs, buses, delivery trucks, to
cut your lane if being over taken.

- Wear helmets, protectors (knee/shin, shoulder/elbow), riding gears,
light colored clothes.

- Should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be allowed if under the influence.
Getting caught under the influence should have a penalty of a minimum of
suspension or cancellation of restriction code "1". Riding a bike requires
great balance and concentration.

- Large visible "Caution for Bikes" or "Alalahanin ang mga Motorsiklo"
signs should be posted at every entry point.

- Regardless of displacement, bikes "can or must" maintain an average
of 80-100 speed for the duration of NLEX/SLEX without breaking out.

- All bikes should be subjected to inspection prior to entry. Bikes with
oil leaks, excessive smoke, excessive tolerable pipes, should not be allowed
unless immediate action taken.

- Bikes should have their hazard or blinkers "on" all the time during
night or rain.

- Bikes should turn on their headlights even during daytime.

- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

- Bikes should have a full tank of gas before entering the expressway.

I hope some of this will be adopted when the ban is lifted. It's for bikers and cagers safety.

[russpogi]

I agree with you sir. I am also a biker wanting to have the ban lifted but with certain conditions.

- Only a minimum of 2 bikes should be allowed to enter NLEX/SLEX. If
you are alone, you should wait for another bike. Riding solo will minimize
visibility, and will be too tempting for big rigs, buses, delivery trucks, to
cut your lane if being over taken.

- Wear helmets, protectors (knee/shin, shoulder/elbow), riding gears,
light colored clothes.

- Should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be allowed if under the influence.
Getting caught under the influence should have a penalty of a minimum of
suspension or cancellation of restriction code "1". Riding a bike requires
great balance and concentration.

- Large visible "Caution for Bikes" or "Alalahanin ang mga Motorsiklo"
signs should be posted at every entry point.

- Regardless of displacement, bikes "can or must" maintain an average
of 80-100 speed for the duration of NLEX/SLEX without breaking out.

- All bikes should be subjected to inspection prior to entry. Bikes with
oil leaks, excessive smoke, excessive tolerable pipes, should not be allowed
unless immediate action taken.

- Bikes should have their hazard or blinkers "on" all the time during
night or rain.

- Bikes should turn on their headlights even during daytime.

- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

- Bikes should have a full tank of gas before entering the expressway.

I hope some of this will be adopted when the ban is lifted. It's for bikers and cagers safety.

VERY WELL SAID!!!

[Chip]

I agree with you sir. I am also a biker wanting to have the ban lifted but with certain conditions.

- Only a minimum of 2 bikes should be allowed to enter NLEX/SLEX. If
you are alone, you should wait for another bike. Riding solo will minimize
visibility, and will be too tempting for big rigs, buses, delivery trucks, to
cut your lane if being over taken.

- Wear helmets, protectors (knee/shin, shoulder/elbow), riding gears,
light colored clothes.

- Should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be allowed if under the influence.
Getting caught under the influence should have a penalty of a minimum of
suspension or cancellation of restriction code "1". Riding a bike requires
great balance and concentration.

- Large visible "Caution for Bikes" or "Alalahanin ang mga Motorsiklo"
signs should be posted at every entry point.

- Regardless of displacement, bikes "can or must" maintain an average
of 80-100 speed for the duration of NLEX/SLEX without breaking out.

- All bikes should be subjected to inspection prior to entry. Bikes with
oil leaks, excessive smoke, excessive tolerable pipes, should not be allowed
unless immediate action taken.

- Bikes should have their hazard or blinkers "on" all the time during
night or rain.

- Bikes should turn on their headlights even during daytime.

- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

- Bikes should have a full tank of gas before entering the expressway.

I hope some of this will be adopted when the ban is lifted. It's for bikers and cagers safety.

good post

now if only some people would actually bother to READ the entire thread before reacting

[Trip]

I agree with you sir. I am also a biker wanting to have the ban lifted but with certain conditions.

- Only a minimum of 2 bikes should be allowed to enter NLEX/SLEX. If
you are alone, you should wait for another bike. Riding solo will minimize
visibility, and will be too tempting for big rigs, buses, delivery trucks, to
cut your lane if being over taken.

- Wear helmets, protectors (knee/shin, shoulder/elbow), riding gears,
light colored clothes.

- Should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be allowed if under the influence.
Getting caught under the influence should have a penalty of a minimum of
suspension or cancellation of restriction code "1". Riding a bike requires
great balance and concentration.

- Large visible "Caution for Bikes" or "Alalahanin ang mga Motorsiklo"
signs should be posted at every entry point.

- Regardless of displacement, bikes "can or must" maintain an average
of 80-100 speed for the duration of NLEX/SLEX without breaking out.

- All bikes should be subjected to inspection prior to entry. Bikes with
oil leaks, excessive smoke, excessive tolerable pipes, should not be allowed
unless immediate action taken.

- Bikes should have their hazard or blinkers "on" all the time during
night or rain.

- Bikes should turn on their headlights even during daytime.

- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

- Bikes should have a full tank of gas before entering the expressway.

TAMA!!!!

[lakastamamo]

I agree with you sir. I am also a biker wanting to have the ban lifted but with certain conditions.

- Only a minimum of 2 bikes should be allowed to enter NLEX/SLEX. If
you are alone, you should wait for another bike. Riding solo will minimize
visibility, and will be too tempting for big rigs, buses, delivery trucks, to
cut your lane if being over taken.

- Wear helmets, protectors (knee/shin, shoulder/elbow), riding gears,
light colored clothes.

- Should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be allowed if under the influence.
Getting caught under the influence should have a penalty of a minimum of
suspension or cancellation of restriction code "1". Riding a bike requires
great balance and concentration.

- Large visible "Caution for Bikes" or "Alalahanin ang mga Motorsiklo"
signs should be posted at every entry point.

- Regardless of displacement, bikes "can or must" maintain an average
of 80-100 speed for the duration of NLEX/SLEX without breaking out.

- All bikes should be subjected to inspection prior to entry. Bikes with
oil leaks, excessive smoke, excessive tolerable pipes, should not be allowed
unless immediate action taken.

- Bikes should have their hazard or blinkers "on" all the time during
night or rain.

- Bikes should turn on their headlights even during daytime.

- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

- Bikes should have a full tank of gas before entering the expressway.

I hope some of this will be adopted when the ban is lifted. It's for bikers and cagers safety.

Galing ng mga conditions mo pre, VERY F-A-I-R!

1. Minimum of two bikes? We must suffer the hassle of waiting for accompanying bikes because of visibility issue, ah oo, hindi naman ikaw ang nakaMC kaya okay lang sa iyo. Ano ba takbo niyang mga buses at mga delivery trucks para makaovertake? Siguro hindi dapat kaming mga disciplined MC riders ang magsuffer kungdi yung mga walang disiplina na feeling schumacher, cut ng cut ng lane kahit mabilis na yung sinusundan.

2. Agree, parang giyera full metal gear.

3. Under the influence of? Nasa batas na iyan pre. No exceptions. Kung iche-check kami, dapat kasama rin yung naka cage.

4. Im touched, thanks for pointing that out captain obvious.

5. 110cc "scooters" no problem, can attain speed of 80-100kph, maintain? dunno, drivers discipline na lang iyan, parang sa cager din. Baka gusto mo ring ipagbawal pag-overtake, mas maganda yun, siguradong uunti aksidente.

6. Payag basta ba payag din kayong mga naka cagers na maabala katulad ng gusto ninyong maging abala sa amin.

7. Habit ko na iyan, pero kung gusto nilang gawing standard so be it.

8. I dont bring my nephew/niece sa bike on highways, whats more kung expressways. MCs are ideally designed for one to two adults riders, I suppose. Adults can shrug off a minor MC accident but for kids, I dunno. So kids, sa nearby destinations lang where high speed is not a requisite.

9. Aba okay yan, pagawa na rin sila ng gas station sa bawat expressway entrance malaking kita iyan.

[CLAVEL3699]

I


- No children below 10 years old unless strapped to the rider should be
allowed as backride inside the expressway. Overloaded bikes are
should also be not allowed.

Hindi ako dito agree... dapat walang minor or may I say bata ang naka backride... nandamay ka pa pagsemplang ka...

May kasabihan nga isang paa mo na ang nasa hukay kung nakasakay ka sa motorsiklo...

[badsekktor]

sir mazda2x thanks for the correction......

The History of the Ban
on Motorcycles Using the Tollways

19 February 1968
In an Administrative Order entitled Revised Rules and Regulations Governing Limited Access Facilities issued by the then Department of Public Works and Communications, the following rule is contained: "On limited access highways, it is unlawful for any person or group of persons to: Drive any bicycle, tricycle, pedicab, motorcycle or any vehicle not motorized"

Based on stories we have heard from older members of the motorcycle community, the inclusion of motorcycles in the list of vehicles not allowed inside the tollways seems to have started following an accident on the SLEX involving a police officer. Over thirty years ago, police officers on board motorcycles were ordered to escort visiting U.S. dignitary Richard M. Nixon to the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) in Los Banos, Laguna. The Government, wanting to give Mr. Nixon a nationalistic welcome, ordered these same police officers to replace their safety helmets with traditional Filipino hats. Unfortunately, tragedy struck along the South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) when one of the motorcycle officers was killed in an accident on the way to IRRI. In a knee-jerk reaction to this unfortunate but preventable incident, the Department of Public Works and Communications ordered an immediate ban of motorcycles from the tollways.

1968 – 2001
The Department of Public Works and Communications is superseded by the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH). The ban is now maintained under the Revised Rules and Regulations on Limited Access Facilities issued in 1997 by the Toll Regulatory Board (TRB) and approved by then DPWH secretary, Gregorio R. Vigilar. The ban reads as follows: "The following vehicles shall not be allowed in the Expressway at any time: a.) motorcycles, tricycles, and bicycles" The ban is enforced by the Philippine National Construction Corporation (PNCC) which is the only entity legally allowed to operate tollways as prescribed under Presidential Decree No. 1112 issued in 1977. It is an interesting fact to note that Secretary Vigilar, who has expressed very strong anti-motorcycling opinions, was also the Chairman of both the TRB and the PNCC at the time. Here are some documented quotes from Secretary Vigilar and his staff representing these organizations:

1. "The tendency of motorcyclists to sneak in and out of openings in the traffic is risky and dangerous, and coupled with the exhilaration and joy of speed, is the sure formula for accidents" Secretary Vigilar, 2 December 1999

2. "To grant exemptions and allow certain types of motorcycles on the expressways will only cause confusion and might result in accidents which we are seeking to avoid by the ban." Secretary Vigilar, 2 December 1999

3. "Consistent to our commitment to protect the interest of the motoring public, therefore, we reiterate our objection to such an amendment (of the Revised Rules and Regulations on Limited Access Facilities)." Leonilo G. Javier, PNCC Vice President for Tollways Group, 26 October 1999

4. "PNCC's stand not to allow motorcycles inside the expressways has always been upheld in the interest of public safety." Leonilo G. Javier, PNCC Vice President for Tollways Group, 26 October 1999

5. "It is informed that the department cannot, with much regret, give favorable action since the policy of Congress in enacting this statute [R.A. 2000] is for the immediate preservation of public peace, health, and safety, (emphasis ours) or simply stated, the purpose of which is to forestall or prevent the occurrence of vehicular accidents especially considering the make of motorcycles." Manuel G. Bunan, DPWH Assistant Secretary for Legal and Internal Audit, 13 October 1999

10 January 2001
Seeking to improve road safety for all motorists, several motorcycle clubs, directly representing over five thousand active members, file a civil action in the courts of Makati City challenging the TRB’s rule banning all motorcycles from operating within the country’s tollways. The petitioners allege that the ban is illegal under existing law and, moreover, that it threatens public safety by forcing all motorcyclists onto alternative roadways that are clearly not as safe as the tollways, which by design are free of the many hazards or obstructions that most often contribute to vehicular accidents (e.g., high-traffic intersections, road islands, opposing traffic, poorly designated PUV passenger loading and unloading zones, and pedestrians).

By removing the ban, the likelihood of motorcycle-involved accidents, already less than one percent of total vehicular accidents in 1999 based on Land Transportation Office (LTO) statistics, is expected to be reduced even further. Nationwide, motorcycles constitute nearly one-third of the total registered motor vehicle population and are a vital means of transportation for millions.

A central argument in the case is the fact that Republic Act No. 2000, also known as the Limited Access Highway Act, only authorizes the exclusion of trucks, buses, and other commercial vehicles from the tollways. However, the petitioners observe that the TRB has outlawed only motorcycles on the tollways even though no such authority to do so exists under the law. Representing the petitioners is Atty. Michael Ureta.

16 July 2001
Motorcycle riders are now allowed on the tollways. In a Writ of Preliminary Injunction, the Makati Regional Trial Court, Branch 147 ruled that motorcyclists have the legal right as licensed motorists to use the tollways. In the 5-page decision, Judge Teofilo L. Guadiz, Jr. said that respondents DPWH and TRB have no power or authority to ban motorcycles on expressways and “therefore, the ban in the expressways on motorcycles is void and illegal”. The judge also cited the predicament of the motorcyclist-petitioners who are forced to use the more dangerous side roads in their travels as a result of the motorcycle ban.

18 July 2001
Reacting to the defeat in court, the DPWH hastily issues Department Order #123, Series of 2001 (DO 123). The order is signed by then DPWH Secretary Simeon A. Datumanong under advice of PNCC Chairman Luis Sison who would later resign from his post under controversial circumstances. DO 123 seeks to amend the original motorcycle ban issued in 1968 by allowing motorcycles with engine displacements of 400cc and up access to the tollways. No public consultation on the provisions of DO 123 is held even though this order clearly impacts on a sizeable segment of the population. With DO 123, the DPWH accepts that less than 1% of the Philippine motorcycling population (those rich enough to afford large, imported motorcycles) can have access to the tollways. No motorcycle above 250cc is manufactured in the Philippines. Motorcyclists contend that DO 123 violates the Writ of Preliminary Injunction issued by the courts just two days earlier and prepare to challenge the order.

August 2001 to 2003
The civil case filed in January 2001 by concerned motorcyclists is now up for final decision. The PNCC, operating as an agent of the TRB, continues to disregard the Writ of Preliminary Injunction while enforcing DO 123. Sub-400cc motorcyclists are regularly apprehended by PNCC traffic enforcers for entering the tollways only to have the alleged violation (disregarding traffic signals and/or obstruction) dismissed by the LTO who recognizes the supremacy of the Writ over DO 123.

Some motorcyclists, angered by the arrogance of the PNCC, file cases of contempt against PNCC traffic enforcers and officials. The courts jail several traffic enforcers as a result. Several contempt charges remain pending against high-level PNCC and DPWH officials.

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