Why RP street life is (still) filled with Adventures

[ianmitsulancer]

^^^ add to OT: The current L300 first appeared in 1978 as the Second Generation- believe it or not! it was only in 1987 when PAMCOR started its assembly!


May mas lolo pa sa L300... The VW Kombi... still in assembly in Brazil!
http://www.volkswagen.com/br/pt/carros/kombi.html

[Starex_Gold]

gawing CRDi ang adventure? gusto ba nilang maging katulad ng korean cars ke bago bago, daming reklamo,tignan mo sa forum meron CRDi 1 day lng gustong baklasin ng fuel tank dahil meron daw water contaminants fuel nya, meron namang STA.fe 1 Month pa lng Diesel quality related dahil Euro-5 ultra sensitive sa diesel dito,meron namang TCM(transmission control module) pina update ang software dahil unstable ang clutch yun pala Diesel related din. yung isa naman Tucson biglang namatayan ng makina ECU(egine control unit) naman daw ang dahilan(buti nalang wlang kasalubong na sasakyan) ,modern engine modern headache,kahit technician nila parang ngaun lang na encounter nag ganoon na problema, tapos every year pabago bago pa ng design, bili ka this year,next year ibang technology naman,ano ba yan, what we need a vehicle that we reach from point A to point B at minimal cost of maintenance, yung wlang ECU/TCM at kung ano ano pa na computer box dyan, computer ko nga sa bahay biglang mag restart minsan, lalo na yung CRdi engine na yan.Hopefully mitsubishi adventure will be same as what we know for years to come, if they want CRDi there are lot option to choose with.

:um: :hammer: :hit:

Matanong ko lang, inaano ka ng Hyundai?

[renzo_d10]

gawing CRDi ang adventure? gusto ba nilang maging katulad ng korean cars ke bago bago, daming reklamo,tignan mo sa forum meron CRDi 1 day lng gustong baklasin ng fuel tank dahil meron daw water contaminants fuel nya, meron namang STA.fe 1 Month pa lng Diesel quality related dahil Euro-5 ultra sensitive sa diesel dito,meron namang TCM(transmission control module) pina update ang software dahil unstable ang clutch yun pala Diesel related din. yung isa naman Tucson biglang namatayan ng makina ECU(egine control unit) naman daw ang dahilan(buti nalang wlang kasalubong na sasakyan) ,modern engine modern headache,kahit technician nila parang ngaun lang na encounter nag ganoon na problema, tapos every year pabago bago pa ng design, bili ka this year,next year ibang technology naman,ano ba yan, what we need a vehicle that we reach from point A to point B at minimal cost of maintenance, yung wlang ECU/TCM at kung ano ano pa na computer box dyan, computer ko nga sa bahay biglang mag restart minsan, lalo na yung CRdi engine na yan.Hopefully mitsubishi adventure will be same as what we know for years to come, if they want CRDi there are lot option to choose with.

OT.

Bakit puro negative thoughts ang nakikita mo ? Isolated lang naman ang problems ah, hindi naman siya " kalat " sa mga units unlike sa D4D ng Toyota.

Yan kasi ang mahirap eh, porket tested na ang old school diesels ayaw mo na magtake ng another step ahead.

Ang hyundai, ang gaganda ng diesel engines nila ... hanga ako. Magkaron ka ng tiwala, brad. ;)

And bago ka pa magisip na may Hyundai ako, ako na mismo magsasabi sayo na WALA.

[marcdom88]

Before the thread starts getting nasty, I am very much tempted to butt in and express my agreement with O.F.DoubleU.

I own a 2010 Advie Gls Sport, and here is what i can say: it isn't CRDi, just pure old fashion engine tweaked with EGR and catalytic converter; has no ECU; can't do sudden overtakes like CRDi engines do; noisy engine at 100kph and beyond.

Nonetheless what i love about it is: cheap maintenance (PMS price is peanuts compared to other diesels i know of); simple engine means you won't die of stress and tension whenever an "Ondoy" class flooding comes your way; comfort level is tolerable; you don't need to worry about diesel quality (heck, i even placed well strained two liters of used veggie oil in it when my advie was still 2K km old); any mechanic of sound mind understands the 4D56; and most of all, my pamangkins love it! (over their parents' Dmaxes and Starexes)

As to speed, i observed that a car that can run 200kph can't do more than a farm tractor in heavy traffic situations, so why bother? As to fuel efficiency, the difference between CRDi vs. Naturally Aspirated Indirect Injection engines don't matter much. Two or three liter difference is not so vital when you think of the high sticker price you paid for your CRDi.

Just my two cents....

[Starex_Gold]

Before the thread starts getting nasty, I am very much tempted to butt in and express my agreement with O.F.DoubleU.

I own a 2010 Advie Gls Sport, and here is what i can say: it isn't CRDi, just pure old fashion engine tweaked with EGR and catalytic converter; has no ECU; can't do sudden overtakes like CRDi engines do; noisy engine at 100kph and beyond.

Nonetheless what i love about it is: cheap maintenance (PMS price is peanuts compared to other diesels i know of); simple engine means you won't die of stress and tension whenever an "Ondoy" class flooding comes your way; comfort level is tolerable; you don't need to worry about diesel quality (heck, i even placed well strained two liters of used veggie oil in it when my advie was still 2K km old); any mechanic of sound mind understands the 4D56; and most of all, my pamangkins love it! (over their parents' Dmaxes and Starexes)

As to speed, i observed that a car that can run 200kph can't do more than a farm tractor in heavy traffic situations, so why bother? As to fuel efficiency, the difference between CRDi vs. Naturally Aspirated Indirect Injection engines don't matter much. Two or three liter difference is not so vital when you think of the high sticker price you paid for your CRDi.

Just my two cents....

I / We do understand you sir. Meron din kami non CRDi Starex (4D56-T engine). Powerful enough pero iniiwan lang sya nung GL Grandia namin sa acceleration

Iba po kasi yung sinabi ni OFW. Direkta nyang tinira yung Hyundai. At syempre masakit yun para sa mga merong Hyundai. Bakit sila mag bibigay ng 5 years warranty kung di maganda ang quality ng gawa nila diba.

Bad diesel quality ng Pilipinas kaya may mga Toyota D-4D na pumapalya, sino ba dapat sisihin? ang Toyota dahil gumawa sila ng CRDi D-4D engines? o ang Big 3 kasi madumi ang ginagawa nilang diesel? Hindi naman kasalanan ng Toyota na gumawa ng CRDi D-4D engines kasi part yan ng pag-asenso nila.

Hindi po masama magka CRDi engine. Dito lang naman sa Pilipinas nagkaka problema eh. Naging nature din ng pilipino na may pagka kuripot sa maintenance. Pero tama ka sir marcdom88, mas madali at mas mura alagaan ang Non CRDi engines.

[Gerbo]

Sir ianmitsulancer a very good lesson in Advie history! Yes, a intercooled turbo is what this vehicle need. 100 hp is just about right.

Sir marcdom88, I agree. Nobody in the right mind would drive 200 kph in a family vehicle given Philippine road conditions.

[yapoy86]

^^ these are the good points of having old school diesel engines.. but we must move forward the same way the gasoline engine moved from carburetor to efi engine.. diesel engine will also move forward..

also do not only think of your maintenance cost but also of the environment.. mitsubishi knows they need to improve the engine at least so they added EGR and catalytic converter to meet current standards..

4ja1 and 4d56 engines are very good and reliable but not that environment friendly belches smoke even on idle especially the 4ja1.. wait till some anti smoke belching guys ask you to pull over

[yapoy86]

^^ these are the good points of having old school diesel engines.. but we must move forward the same way the gasoline engine moved from carburetor to efi engine.. diesel engine will also move forward..

also do not only think of your maintenance cost but also of the environment.. mitsubishi knows they need to improve the engine at least so they added EGR and catalytic converter to meet current standards..

4ja1 and 4d56 engines are very good and reliable but not that environment friendly belches smoke even on idle especially the 4ja1.. wait till some anti smoke belching guys ask you to pull over

[yapoy86]

^^ these are the good points of having old school diesel engines.. but we must move forward the same way the gasoline engine moved from carburetor to efi engine.. diesel engine will also move forward..

also do not only think of your maintenance cost but also of the environment.. mitsubishi knows they need to improve the engine at least so they added EGR and catalytic converter to meet current standards..

4ja1 and 4d56 engines are very good and reliable but not that environment friendly belches smoke even on idle especially the 4ja1.. wait till some anti smoke belching guys ask you to pull over

[aejhayl17]

oo bro..that one is CRDi na...





San mo nakita bro?,,,,kung sa casa....I'll check on it...baka inde ako updated....hehehe...kung sa labas malamang nyan lagay mo na sa ricey thread...hehe

nakita ko yun sa isang white advie, wala pang plaka, parang kabibili lang. kung alam ko lang, nasa ricey thread na yun.

DiD sa Adventure, asenso ah.

Sana nagala paparazzi ka uli, pinicturan mo.

Oh well, kung sabagay ... may nakita nga akong Strada ng Meralco with IDD emblem tapos ang variant ay GSL.

sir, anu yung IDD? hehe

[myas110]

what if the Fuzion has the available Common rail Diesel Engine and take away the adventure? Unfortunately di rin mabenta ang Fuzion.

[Starex_Gold]

Hindi mabenta yung Fuzion dahil sa engine nya. Kasi mas maganda naman yun sa Toyota Innova 'e.

[scharnhorst]

Fuzion was supposed to bridge the gap between the advie and the monty.

but since walang diesel... tapos yung petrol version e kasing takaw ng expedition, plonk. walang bumili.

and regarding the CRDi? The hyundai, ford, and kia diesels seem to be more durable than those equipped with densos.

EDIT: although the new hyundai R seems to be hitting some problems on the local diesel

[CVT]

Yup, I am amazed as I still see a lot of brand new Adventures in our streets lately.....

10K:dance1:

[CVT]

gawing CRDi ang adventure? gusto ba nilang maging katulad ng korean cars ke bago bago, daming reklamo,tignan mo sa forum meron CRDi 1 day lng gustong baklasin ng fuel tank dahil meron daw water contaminants fuel nya,

Bro.,- I remember that it was a case of the sales agent, who was delivering the unit, filling up in a 'dirty' gas station... So, it can happen to anybody....

CRDi diesel engines should be a welcome development....

10K:dance1:

[isa1023]

Fuzion was supposed to bridge the gap between the advie and the monty.

but since walang diesel... tapos yung petrol version e kasing takaw ng expedition, plonk. walang bumili.

Sayang at hindi na nagmaterialise itong PR na ito:
http://www.tsikot.com/tag/fuzion/

Things could have been different now if the diesel-fed Fuzion came out here.

[locoroco777]

nakita ko yun sa isang white advie, wala pang plaka, parang kabibili lang. kung alam ko lang, nasa ricey thread na yun.

baka may spare na sticker yung ahente nya hehe...binigay siguro as freebie....."ser, bigyan na din kitang DiD na badge...para ka naring naka commonrail"....:bwahaha:

[locoroco777]

Sayang at hindi na nagmaterialise itong PR na ito:
http://www.tsikot.com/tag/fuzion/

Things could have been different now if the diesel-fed Fuzion came out here.

as per past conversations with another club member.....he thinks that it will still soon materialize...for the reason that MMPC still wants to complete the construction of the plant in cainta...because if ever they will manufacture an AUV that is targetting a specific local market which is expected to give high margins... they want it made here to lessen the cost...rather than importing it from its country of origin which is taiwan which probably will have a price that is gonna be dictated by the exchange rates...

so if thats really true...lets expect that more trims are gonna be availabale for the fuzion in the future....or better, lets forget the trims...We just want a diesel Fed one.....

[badkuk]

according to wikipedia, wala talagang diesel variant ang Fuzion at the moment...

Just to get a better perspective, ung distributor-type diesel engine ba is comparable to a carbureted gas engine, power and emissions-wise?

Been googling for more info on distributor-type engines to no avail...

[niky]

They can do what Hyundai did with the TCi Starex. It has a 4D56T with computer control, which gives it better response than an old-school turbodiesel. That way, they can keep the price of the Fuzion down while still providing diesel economy.

Even better... no injector issues with a low-pressure old-school turbodiesel.

BTW, it's a mistake to think that fuel issues only happen here... people in Europe also have problems with injectors... but it obviously takes a little longer for them to experience issues than here.