Toyota Fortuner new turbo vs. Montero V-GT

[green eagle]

Recently read in an ad of, apparently, a new turbo installed in the diesel engine of the Toyota Fortuner.
I think they call it VARIABLE Nozzle Turbo - sounds so much like the VARIABLE-GEOMETRY TURBO (V-GT) installed in the new Monteros.
Reading thru the specs, though, the Fortuner 3.0L diesel variant "only" churns out 163/3400 ps/rpm of horses & 343Nm/1400-3200rpm of pull & compared against the Montero 2.5L V-GT diesel engine. it pales, relatively, in output on both counts (175/4000 ps/rpm & torque of 350Nm/1800-3500rpm).
Is this really a new turbo tech similar to V-GT? If yes, how come it generates lesser output even with a higher engine displacement?
(I am not familiar with the numbers of the previous 3.0L turbo-diesel engine of the Fortuner.)

[zix888]

the very first batch of fort 3.0 (2005) is already VNT. they didnt change a thing since then. i was expecting that they will bring the 2.5 variants with VNT, pero wala eh(only in thailand), so same engines since the time they were introduced in 2005-present

[amuro]

sir zix meron na daw d2 pinas fortuner 2.5 g vnt equipped, dko lang ma recall kung saan, nabasa ko lang din sa ibang thread, any way
torque output courtesy of its 2KD-FTV mill, these being 144 PS at 3,400 rpm and 343 Nm at 1,600 to 2,800 rpm. This is a significant increase from the 102 PS and 260 Nm from 1,600 to 2,400 rpm. The 4 SPEED ECT transmission has been retained for the automatic variant, according to data from the website. tanong ko lang cno mas malakas 4D56 crdi DOHC w/o turbo/intercooler VS. 2KD-FTV crdi DOHC w/o turbo/intercooler. tnx

[zix888]

sir zix meron na daw d2 pinas fortuner 2.5 g vnt equipped, dko lang ma recall kung saan, nabasa ko lang din sa ibang thread, any way
torque output courtesy of its 2KD-FTV mill, these being 144 PS at 3,400 rpm and 343 Nm at 1,600 to 2,800 rpm. This is a significant increase from the 102 PS and 260 Nm from 1,600 to 2,400 rpm. The 4 SPEED ECT transmission has been retained for the automatic variant, according to data from the website. tanong ko lang cno mas malakas 4D56 crdi DOHC w/o turbo/intercooler VS. 2KD-FTV crdi DOHC w/o turbo/intercooler. tnx

sir afaik, walang lumabas na 2.5 vnt dito satin, yun nga yung disappointment nung mga nag aantay nung facelift version, they thought lalabas yung naka vnt.

[wilcats]

sir afaik, walang lumabas na 2.5 vnt dito satin, yun nga yung disappointment nung mga nag aantay nung facelift version, they thought lalabas yung naka vnt.

We now have the 2.5L D4d with VNT. rated at 144PS & 343Nm of Torque. Intercooler is standard as well.
+ it now comes with a 7" touchscreen head unit with GPS & DVD.

price?

1,484,000 for the A/T
1,381,000 for the M/T

White Pearl color is now available.

[wilcats]

144PS * 3,400 rpm
343Nm * 1,600-2,800 rpm

transmission remains the same
4 speed w/ ECT

[zix888]

144PS * 3,400 rpm
343Nm * 1,600-2,800 rpm

transmission remains the same
4 speed w/ ECT

good to finally bring them here. thanks for the info. something to thing about if the buyer is not particular with 5 speed tranny, 4 disc brakes and sportsmode

[CVT]

144PS * 3,400 rpm
343Nm * 1,600-2,800 rpm

transmission remains the same
4 speed w/ ECT

This is what I do not understand with Toyota....

Why stick with 4 A/T, when you can go 5 A/T or better ?

16.8K:laundry:

[green eagle]

the very first batch of fort 3.0 (2005) is already VNT. they didnt change a thing since then. i was expecting that they will bring the 2.5 variants with VNT, pero wala eh(only in thailand), so same engines since the time they were introduced in 2005-present

Thanks for the clarification. Apparently, while both technologies enhance output from turbine-powered engines, our V-GT appears to create more output & efficiency given a smaller displaced power plant. Reading further on the technology, the Porsche 911 turbo runs on twin VNTs pala. Interesting...

[CVT]

Recently read in an ad of, apparently, a new turbo installed in the diesel engine of the Toyota Fortuner.
I think they call it VARIABLE Nozzle Turbo - sounds so much like the VARIABLE-GEOMETRY TURBO (V-GT) installed in the new Monteros.
Reading thru the specs, though, the Fortuner 3.0L diesel variant "only" churns out 163/3400 ps/rpm of horses & 343Nm/1400-3200rpm of pull & compared against the Montero 2.5L V-GT diesel engine. it pales, relatively, in output on both counts (175/4000 ps/rpm & torque of 350Nm/1800-3500rpm).
Is this really a new turbo tech similar to V-GT? If yes, how come it generates lesser output even with a higher engine displacement?
(I am not familiar with the numbers of the previous 3.0L turbo-diesel engine of the Fortuner.)

Might be 7Newt-meter lower, but the torque is available at a lower RPM, 1400 vs. the Montero's 1800.... (Now, the engine displacement is a different story)....

16.8K:laundry:

[jmtyper]

Might be 7Newt-meter lower, but the torque is available at a lower RPM, 1400 vs. the Montero's 1800.... (Now, the engine displacement is a different story)....

16.8K:laundry:

This could translate to a better acceleration for the new Fort but the Monty could always catch-up due to the added power/torque.

Advantage of getting the hp and torque at a lower RPM is that you don't have to floor it therefore more savings on crude. It is interesting to know the FC of the new Fortuner.

[zix888]

This could translate to a better acceleration for the new Fort but the Monty could always catch-up due to the added power/torque.

Advantage of getting the hp and torque at a lower RPM is that you don't have to floor it therefore more savings on crude. It is interesting to know the FC of the new Fortuner.

mas maganda talaga yung hp and torque at a lower rpm, but then there is no basis of comparison, 2.5 and a 3.0 liter. yung vnt na 2.5 sana, but definitely it has a different torque graph than that of the 3.0.

[carwhacko]

Ang mahal ng A/T anyway, i love my MS

[Starex_Gold]

Hahaha

Sa Fortuner na 'ko dito :naughty2:

[arsen]

Recently read in an ad of, apparently, a new turbo installed in the diesel engine of the Toyota Fortuner.
I think they call it VARIABLE Nozzle Turbo - sounds so much like the VARIABLE-GEOMETRY TURBO (V-GT) installed in the new Monteros.
Reading thru the specs, though, the Fortuner 3.0L diesel variant "only" churns out 163/3400 ps/rpm of horses & 343Nm/1400-3200rpm of pull & compared against the Montero 2.5L V-GT diesel engine. it pales, relatively, in output on both counts (175/4000 ps/rpm & torque of 350Nm/1800-3500rpm).
Is this really a new turbo tech similar to V-GT? If yes, how come it generates lesser output even with a higher engine displacement?
(I am not familiar with the numbers of the previous 3.0L turbo-diesel engine of the Fortuner.)

Both are not equipped with variable valve timing so makers has to choose kung low-speed&high-load performance OR high-speed&part-load performance.

Lets compare their valve timing:

4D56 DI-D
Intake Opens * 20deg BTDC
Intake Closes * 40deg ABDC
Exhaust Opens * 38deg BBDC
Exhaust Closes * 22deg ABDC

1KD-FTV (paki-correct na lang po at sabi-sabi lang to never seen the pdf technical info)
Intake Opens * 2deg BTDC
Intake Closes * 37deg ABDC
Exhaust Opens * 45deg BBDC
Exhaust Closes * 0deg ABDC

The 4D56 DI-D has an Overlap of 42.00 degrees and has an Intake Duration of 240.00 degrees. The Exhaust Duration is 240.00 degrees. Meaning kahit maliit ang lungs nya (2.5 liters lang) eh maluwag naman ang lagusan nya ng hangin kaya nakakasustain kahit sa high rpm (mabilisan na takbo).

The 1KD-FTV has an Overlap of 2.00 degrees and has in Intake Duration of 218.00 degrees. The Exhaust Duration is 225.00 degrees. Meaning malaki nga lungs nya (3.0 liters) pero ang duration ng valve events eh hindi kasing tagal ng 4d56 DI-D.

[jon777]

Both are not equipped with variable valve timing so makers has to choose kung low-speed&high-load performance OR high-speed&part-load performance.

Lets compare their valve timing:

4D56 DI-D
Intake Opens * 20deg BTDC
Intake Closes * 40deg ABDC
Exhaust Opens * 38deg BBDC
Exhaust Closes * 22deg ABDC

1KD-FTV (paki-correct na lang po at sabi-sabi lang to never seen the pdf technical info)
Intake Opens * 2deg BTDC
Intake Closes * 37deg ABDC
Exhaust Opens * 45deg BBDC
Exhaust Closes * 0deg ABDC

The 4D56 DI-D has an Overlap of 42.00 degrees and has an Intake Duration of 240.00 degrees. The Exhaust Duration is 240.00 degrees. Meaning kahit maliit ang lungs nya (2.5 liters lang) eh maluwag naman ang lagusan nya ng hangin kaya nakakasustain kahit sa high rpm (mabilisan na takbo).

The 1KD-FTV has an Overlap of 2.00 degrees and has in Intake Duration of 218.00 degrees. The Exhaust Duration is 225.00 degrees. Meaning malaki nga lungs nya (3.0 liters) pero ang duration ng valve events eh hindi kasing tagal ng 4d56 DI-D.

As an MD, i can interpret EKG, various chemical profiles of the different organs. As a stock trader, i can interpret finacial statements and brokerage reports.

BUT, reading the above data which involves degrees and speed/load performances, Pucha, di ko maintindihan even after reading it 4x.

Langya, I could never be an engineer.

Algebra nga binagsak ko pa sa college eh
Sa trigonometry naman, pasang awa lang ako

[alvinladen]

mukhang di na nagkakalayo sa performance ang MS at Fort but still i will choose the MS because of:

-better fuel economy
-cruise control (very useful pag maluwag ang daan sa express way)
-sports mode (ginagamit ko pag gusto ko mabilis ang acceleration ko)
-paddle shifter (kahit di ko ginagamit its still a plus)
-narrower turning radius (more useful than i tought, pansin ko improvement from my previous suv. madalas kasi ako sa masisikip na lugar)

kung sa porma lamang ang Fort for me, mas macho sya tingnan

paki-correct na lang kung may ganitong features din ang Fort

[Retz]

mukhang di na nagkakalayo sa performance ang MS at Fort but still i will choose the MS because of:

-better fuel economy
-cruise control (very useful pag maluwag ang daan sa express way)
-sports mode (ginagamit ko pag gusto ko mabilis ang acceleration ko)
-paddle shifter (kahit di ko ginagamit its still a plus)
-narrower turning radius (more useful than i tought, pansin ko improvement from my previous suv. madalas kasi ako sa masisikip na lugar)

kung sa porma lamang ang Fort for me, mas macho sya tingnan

paki-correct na lang kung may ganitong features din ang Fort

un nga isang advantage ng Monty with those added features.

[jmtyper]

I haven't seen the Fort driven like this - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJ6MVvUd44&feature=fvwrel]Test drive Pajero Sport 2012 with H.Masuoka in Hanoi - Vietnam - YouTube[/ame]
Kaya din ba ng Fort ito?

[Retz]

What is the difference between VNT of Fort and VGT of Monty? Parang sa name lang pagkaka iba.