Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[Monseratto]

From the MS SUA FB page...

Raffy Nieto
"Does the SUA group agree with the DTI report?"

To clarify, those active (like myself) in this SUA info site are not part of any organized group on this issue.

We all contribute individually to its content. So the opinions we post are our own, unless we are quoting an external group not related to those managing this site. So here, I will provide MY OWN OPINION on this DTI Decision…

I DO NOT AGREE with the Pedal Misapplication theory being stated by DTI. If you read the Horiba Mira report, it clearly states that its not yet understood why the Montero is susceptible to pedal Misapplication when other vehicles that have NO SUA reports also have similar pedal positions...

In fairness to the DTI Adjudication Team who are currently working on this, am aware that they were challenged to render a decision on the matter as it was difficult to find a specific cause for what causes SUA. The SUPER HIGH SUA RATE on the Montero Gen 2 (2010-2015) is too high to ignore. It’s statistically impossible to render all these SUA reports on the Montero as PURELY COINCIDENTAL…

When Mitsubishi published the Horiba Mira report, there was an obvious clear assessment that since pedal misapplication is seen as the likely cause and that SUA is only reported on the Montero Gen2, then there must be a problem with the pedal orientation that results in SUA…

DTI therefore opted to use Mitsubishi’s own self-initiated study, which resulted in Mitsubishi shooting themselves in the foot by formally submitting the Horiba Mira report as a point of defense…


While I don’t agree with the DTI report, the fact that they rendered the Montero to have a defect that warrants a recall is good enough for now. The SUA reports still continue. It’s no longer being propagated by corporate media (i.e. TV, newspapers, etc.), the we still continue to get reports through social media channels…


Many of us (including myself) who have already had settlements with Mitsubishi don’t want to see others continue to experience SUA. So we work on keeping info on this to be readily available to those who want to learn more. This awareness on SUA would help advocate much needed safety to avoid further accidents from happening…

So in summary, I see this DTI report as a START to initiate further investigations on the matter. In that regard, it does contain some value on this issue.

This is what the Horiba Mira report states:



It's very clear here, "RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FURTHER WORK". The investigation must continue. But Mitsubishi just decided to use this report to prematurely claim that there is nothing wrong with their product.

High number of incidence shows a defect in the product. Like saying high incidence of motorcycle accidents shows there's a defect with the motorcycle, not the fault of the motor rider...

[niky]

I read the report months ago.

While offset pedal design might increase the possibility of SUA, the problem is that there is no set standard for pedal offset in law, either here or elsewhere.

Those who've driven certain sports cars and older rear wheel drive vehicles will know that many vehicles have strange pedal offsets. And this is not by design, but due to packaging constraints created by the transmission tunnel.

You cannot initiate a recall for pedal offset. You would first have to show what law mandates the proper pedal offset. Then you would have to recall all vehicles with a similar offset, like the old Everest cited in the report.

It's a stupid decision that benefits no one, because it is easily contestible in court.

[vvti2.0]

I read the report months ago.

While offset pedal design might increase the possibility of SUA, the problem is that there is no set standard for pedal offset in law, either here or elsewhere.

Those who've driven certain sports cars and older rear wheel drive vehicles will know that many vehicles have strange pedal offsets. And this is not by design, but due to packaging constraints created by the transmission tunnel.

You cannot initiate a recall for pedal offset. You would first have to show what law mandates the proper pedal offset. Then you would have to recall all vehicles with a similar offset, like the old Everest cited in the report.

It's a stupid decision that benefits no one, because it is easily contestible in court.

At least ngayun malinaw na wala issue sa computer box ang montero. Paano na yung claim nila ngayun na di gumagana ang brakes at brakes ang inaapakan nila.

Bottomline is, pinagbigyan ng DTI ang consumers, bahala na ngayun ang korte na baliktarin ang decision. And any decision ng korte, it can be final and executory na unless iakyat pa sa higher courts..

Ang tanung ko lang paps, kasi 2009 model ang sa amin.. Iba ba talaga ang pedal location ng 2009 sa 2010 to 2015 models?

[Ry_Tower]

Grabe hanggang nagyon may mga tao pa ring hindi makaintindi na pedal misapplication ang problem. Obvious naman sa mga video na hindi inaapakan ang brake eh. Accelarator.

And again same lang pedal ng MS at Strada nga and as mentioned (if true) na pti ibang vehicles may ganyang ding pedal position then that rules out factory defect as well. tsk tsk tsk

[wavecxs]

I read the report months ago.

While offset pedal design might increase the possibility of SUA, the problem is that there is no set standard for pedal offset in law, either here or elsewhere.

Those who've driven certain sports cars and older rear wheel drive vehicles will know that many vehicles have strange pedal offsets. And this is not by design, but due to packaging constraints created by the transmission tunnel.

You cannot initiate a recall for pedal offset. You would first have to show what law mandates the proper pedal offset. Then you would have to recall all vehicles with a similar offset, like the old Everest cited in the report.

It's a stupid decision that benefits no one, because it is easily contestible in court.

Exactly! I totally agree.

DTI decision is very confusing. They should specify what they meant by improper/faulty pedal placement with figures amd illustrations. Like xx mm pedal offset, yy mm pedal width, zz mm distance between brake and accelerator; and with illustrations pointing out the improper design.

That way those guides can easily be compared to other vehicles'. The absence of documentation for proper pedal design (to compare against) makes the DTI ruling BS, confusing and nonsense

[dragon05]

What action will mitsubishi do for the recall? Reposition the pedals?? Dapat specific DTI for the recall very confusing 🤔🤔🤔

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[dr. d]

What action will mitsubishi do for the recall? Reposition the pedals?? Dapat specific DTI for the recall very confusing 🤔🤔🤔

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appeal to the courts, probably.
and the court will probably dis-agree with the dti's "opinion", for "lack of merit".
my opinion.

[dragon05]

appeal to the courts, probably.
and the court will probably dis-agree with the dti's "opinion", for "lack of merit".
my opinion.

Tpos case closed forever [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

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[Walter]

What the government needs to do first is fix the LTO system of approving Driver's Licenses ... before blaming accidents on "faulty" pedal design ... it's more fun in the Philippines ...

Trivia ... China hates Mitsubishi for some reason ... there are very few Mitsubishi vehicles running in China ...

[Shutterbug]

Kawawang Mitsubishi... victim of poor biased media reporting and stupid regulators.

[CVT]

What the government needs to do first is fix the LTO system of approving Driver's Licenses ... before blaming accidents on "faulty" pedal design ... it's more fun in the Philippines ...

Trivia ... China hates Mitsubishi for some reason ... there are very few Mitsubishi vehicles running in China ...

I am just guessing here, based on my knowledge of Mitsubishi-hate of vehicles [compared to Japan- Honda, Toyota and Nissan] in the US.

Mitsubishi mainly supplied the engines to the Japanese fighter planes during WWII.

There goes....

[dr. d]

What the government needs to do first is fix the LTO system of approving Driver's Licenses ... before blaming accidents on "faulty" pedal design ... it's more fun in the Philippines ...

Trivia ... China hates Mitsubishi for some reason ... there are very few Mitsubishi vehicles running in China ...

?? mitsubishi made the famous world war II airplane, the mitsubishi A6M Zero, that the japanese then, used against its enemies. including china.

[niky]

And do note: Horiba found at least one competitor with pedals just as offset or further offset. Will the DTI now demand that car have its pedals rectified as well?

I've driven many vehicles with weird pedal or steering offsets. What matters, in the end, is proper orientation of the driver, and a quick run through of the controls each and every time you get into the car. Pump the brakes a few times, tap the gas, make sure everything is in working order.

A lot of these SUA cases, again, have people just getting in the car or subbing out another driver... which can lead to ergonomic confusion as the seat and controls are not in a relation they're accustomed to.

Is the Horiba's speculative cause a probable cause? Yes. Is it proof of criminal negligence? Without safety standards prescribing proper control placement, no.

What action will mitsubishi do for the recall? Reposition the pedals?? Dapat specific DTI for the recall very confusing 🤔🤔🤔

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In the Toyota USA SUA case, they sawed off a portion of the accelerator pedal to prevent mat entrapment.

In this case, you can adjust the pedals by simply fixing a new pedal assembly over the posts. Would cost Mitsubishi under 1k per car for the "fix".

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If you've got butterfingers... errh... toes, changing out to a set of pedals that is more aligned to the seat is a good idea.

[dragon05]

Best way for mitsubishi to cut cost on recall is just put sticker sign " watch your step" on the steering wheel and at the bottom of HU.. cost less than 100 per unit..🤣🤣🤣🤣

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[CVT]

Out of curiosity, compared the brake and accelerator pedals of the MS AT with three other brands, and I did not see any significant difference in pedal sizes and positions.

They're adequately spaced apart and the brake pedal is placed higher relative to the accelerator pedal.

[leonleon]

How about comparing a 2009 MS AT to a, say, 2015 MS AT?

Will there be a difference in the positions and placement of the brake and accelerator pedals?

Like I said erlier, it's strange that DTI did not order a recall on the 2009 models.

2010 to 2015 models only.

Are they saying 2009 models got it right, while 2010 to 2015 models got it wrong?

Lahat naman yan 2nd gen.

[CVT]

How about comparing a 2009 MS AT to a, say, 2015 MS AT?

Will there be a difference in the positions and placement of the brake and accelerator pedals?

Like I said erlier, it's strange that DTI did not order a recall on the 2009 models.

2010 to 2015 models only.

Are they saying 2009 models got it right, while 2010 to 2015 models got it wrong?

Baka kasi walang nagmamay ari ng 2009 MS AT sa mga naka Capital Letters ang pangalan...

[leonleon]

Baka kasi walang nagmamay ari ng 2009 MS AT sa mga naka Capital Letters ang pangalan...

So only the units of those with Capital Letters have defective pedal design?

Other MS AT units passed the design standard?

Idiots talaga mga nasa DTI.

[chronicle]

If the pedal needs to be idiot proof then something is wrong with the driver..

[Ry_Tower]

Hahaha, natawa naman ako na specific AT units pa talaga lang ang pinupunto ha. Parang magkaiba pa pedal nung low end at sa totl. Ayos talaga.

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