Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[frostmourn]

how can you built a case if your not sure if your driver is telling the truth or not even if you trust your driver..

Sir hindi DAW nagsisinungaling sila mr. bernardino bernardo (sya yung artista na SUA victim lagi nagpapa interview). Totoo DAW po sinasabi nila at di daw sya nagbibisyo ng inom at yosi. Mga professionals daw sila at may pinag aralan, so totoo mga sinasabi nila.

[sirkosero]

Kapag bus, jeep or taxi ang bumangga, automatic reason "lumusot ang preno" kapag montero, "SUA".

Wala pa ako nababalitaan na umamin na kasalanan nila bakit nabangga

[minicarph]

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[frostmourn]

Please take a look at the pic. Makes sense.

Saan kumuha ng bwelo yan may dalawang gutter plus hindi lifted si monty. Diba pag ganyan wasak dapat tagiliran ng altis. Hindi rin clear ang interview ni lolong driver sa abias cbn magrereklamo na din daw siya ng SUA.

Monty lumipad. :banghead:

[jaypee10]

Please take a look at the pic. Makes sense.

Saan kumuha ng bwelo yan may dalawang gutter plus hindi lifted si monty. Diba pag ganyan wasak dapat tagiliran ng altis. Hindi rin clear ang interview ni lolong driver sa abias cbn magrereklamo na din daw siya ng SUA.

Monty lumipad. :banghead:

baka umarkila ng crain or forklif para ipatong ang monstero sa ibabaw..

ilabas na ang kuha ng CCTV

[frostmourn]

baka umarkila ng crain or forklif para ipatong ang monstero sa ibabaw..

ilabas na ang kuha ng CCTV

Yumuko yung vvti na altis. :D

[vvti2.0]

Yumuko yung vvti na altis. :D

Isa ibig sabihin, nagwild makina ng montero haha!

[jaypee10]

Isa ibig sabihin, nagwild makina ng montero haha!

abay sino ba namang loko na magpapasakit ng ulo na ipapatong ung montero sa ibabaw ng isang sasakyan.
mana pa kung shooting sa pelikula pwede pa..

baka pakana ni ABiaS CNB na paliparin mo montero mo.para maibalita kita.

papayag kaba?

nung may bagyo nga sa probinsya namin sabi ng utol ko nagliliparan na daw mga yero.sabi ko kalokohan...ung PUGO nga may pakpak pero hindi nakalilipad..

yero pa kaya?

[frostmourn]

Just today 12/13/15 si coco martin nag dadrive ng montero para sa teleserye nya sa abias cbn.

Mukang na inform yata si coco na wala naman talagang SUHA its all about rating lang daw. Yan sina sabi ko eh. Dapat patas lumaban langaw kasi kayo sa aldub. :thumbdown:

[vvti2.0]

Yan na rin sabi ko last time, paano aakyat ng ganun yung montero. Wala man lang cctv sa area?

[Seagull_615]

Bogbog na sa balita si montero pati nagtitinda ng ballon kanina sa simbahan alerto nung nakita nya magpapark black monty "sabi nya aba montero ito distansya tau mahirap na"..

[glenn manikis]

got this from FB.... Nag sua daw ang montero nya.... he was able to take a picture while the car is reving to high heavens... and without a driver...

Conclusion... driver error yan!!! invisible lang sya....

[spotdog11]

got this from FB.... Nag sua daw ang montero nya.... he was able to take a picture while the car is reving to high heavens... and without a driver...

Conclusion... driver error yan!!! invisible lang sya....

There is no key in the keyhole sir. So engine is not running anymore. The tachometer probably got stuck after the accident.

[shadow]

got this from FB.... Nag sua daw ang montero nya.... he was able to take a picture while the car is reving to high heavens... and without a driver...

Conclusion... driver error yan!!! invisible lang sya....

Walang susi paano nag SUA? Or Hinde Hinde ko lang makita susi?


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[Monseratto]

Kasalanan ng LTO...

Why sudden unintended acceleration baffles us
by Ferman Lao - 2 hours ago


Today's touchy subject is the recent talk of the town: the so-called "sudden unintended acceleration" of the Mitsubishi Montero Sport, spurred by the provocative TV report two weeks ago. I won't get into detail about my initial reaction as our editor-in-chief has already written about that in an earlier article. I will delve instead into why such was my reaction.

Most people won't know that the electronic circuitry of a modern drive-by-wire throttle is designed with redundancy in mind. The common design uses two throttle position sensors (TPS) on the pedal outputting different voltages, which the engine control unit (ECU) compares against a reference table for a given pedal input. Should either be off in relation to the other, three things will happen:

* An error code will be thrown;

* The check engine light will come on; and

* The computer will default to a reduced power program to prevent the engine from getting damaged, or the vehicle from going out of control.

It's the same way for the throttle body as well. There are two sensors that send signals to the ECU to help monitor what's happening on that end. Should the signal be out of sync or not conform to an expected value (either relative to each other or to the TPS on the pedal end), the same three things occur. An error code is thrown, the check engine light turns on, and the engine goes into reduced power status.

This kind of redundancy is designed to reduce the probability of problems that lead to today's touchy topic. It is also this kind of built-in redundancy that will have any engineer baffled by any incident of unintended acceleration, particularly when there is no trace of anything going wrong becoming recorded in the ECU's on-board memory.

Without any error codes recorded, the logical conclusion is that there's nothing wrong with the electronic control system of the vehicle. Consequently, one has to consider outside influences causing the sudden increase in power that caused the unintended acceleration.

Save for the brake booster vacuum assist from the engine, there's no direct connection between the brake's hydraulic system and the engine, or the electronics that control the engine, or the myriad of other subsystems in a vehicle. If anything, the only connection that the brake system will have with the other electrical systems is that they share the same battery.

Even then, the brake light system is primarily on its own circuit, and like the hazard flashers, is designed to operate even when the ignition key is off. The brake light switch, which activates the brake lights, is also designed to fail in an always-on manner. This means if the brake switch fails, the brake lights will come on permanently until you change the switch or get a dead battery.

And just to be clear, when you step on the brakes, the pedal does not come into contact with the brake switch. The pedal moves away from the switch, which in turn activates the brake light. Much like a dead man's switch, it needs to be constantly pressed on by the brake pedal to be in the off position.

The short version? No lights equals either no electrical power (not a single working brake light) or no brake pedal application.

Now, this isn't the first time we have encountered SUA allegations involving the Montero Sport. The first incident surfaced years ago via a blog, after which more "me-too" incidents surfaced online.

I recall asking Mitsubishi Motors Philippines ad and promo manager Arlan Reyes about it at that time. His response in a nutshell? Japanese engineers came, found nothing and noted that possible cause was unsecured floor mats.

My own encounter with a "victim" came some months later, when I got a call from a person asking for advice on the issue. It was from a second-degree connection who knew I wrote for Top Gear Philippines. The story relayed to me by the vehicle owner mirrored what was already online on the then-active blog. It happened to my mom/dad/uncle/friend/driver/friend-of-a-friend/dog/cat/fish, and "he or she has been driving for many years." The operator of the vehicle claimed that the midsize SUV suddenly accelerated out of control, and that the harder he stepped on the brakes, the louder the engine roared. I informed my caller of the commonality of his account with all the other incidents--the kind of data that he needed to collect from the other "victims" if they wanted to do their own investigation. I also told him that in my world, the pedal that made the engine roar was called the accelerator.

In the hands of an incompetent driver, cars, pickups, trucks, motorcycles, bicycles or even skateboards are misguided moving projectiles of potential destruction. The extent of the damage caused is subject to vehicle size, trajectory and speed, as miscalculated by the operator.

So now I'm looking at you, LTO official, who took the bribe and issued the license. I'm also looking at you, unqualified but licensed vehicle operator, who could no longer be bothered to learn to drive properly after being issued a license. I'm also looking at you, left-lane-bandit driving-school "instructor."

The only thing sudden, unintended and accelerated about all this is the stop at the end that kills. And we're all going to be party to it.

[Monseratto]

Mitsubishi Montero mystery: The Case of the Sudden Unintended Acceleration (SUA) - Get Real PostGet Real Post

Mitsubishi Montero mystery: The Case of the Sudden Unintended Acceleration (SUA)
December 13, 2015by joeld

First off, the definition of sudden unintended acceleration (SUA), from Wikipedia – is the unintended, unexpected, uncontrolled acceleration of a vehicle, often accompanied by an apparent loss of braking effectiveness. Such problems may be caused by driver error (e.g., pedal misapplication), mechanical or electrical problems, or some combination of these factors. Personally, I feel bad about Mitsubishi motors having to deal with this kind of issue in the midst of the release of their upcoming Monterosport. At the same time, I sympathize also to the victims of this seeming automotive malfunction.

I would just like to voice out my opinion on the matter. I am really surprised while watching some of the videos of the said cases that there are common denominators to all of them.
The vehicle emits black smoke before its acceleration be it forward or reverse. In diesel engines, this is an indication of overfueling, the same as suddenly stepping on the accelerator pedal full-on, meaning wide open throttle (WOT), pedal to the metal kind of thing.

Brake lights not coming on before during and after the acceleration (usually their brake lights come on only after the accident). This can only mean one thing – the driver did not step on the brake pedals. Let me state as early as now that the brake lights in almost all vehicles are controlled by a switch directly on the brake pedal mechanism and does not involve any computer wizardry to make it light or to even apply the brakes.

This happens only on the automatic transmission equipped car.

With the above points, I cannot help to deduct the following:

Emission of black smoke can only happen when the accelerator pedal is suddenly depressed by the driver (unintended or intended). The case that the people who allege that there was a malfunction with the car’s system do not know the basics of drive by wire. This system deletes the need for a mechanical cable and has in its place the TPS (throttle position sensor). This is much like your volume control on your old transistor radio but more solid state (i.e., more resistant to dust, moisture, extreme temperatures). Its main purpose is to tell the (Engine Control Unit) ECU how far the driver has depressed the accelerator pedal. For this to go wrong the car would have been subjected to extreme conditions for a considerable amount of time and the most probable trouble after that would be no signal transmitted – or no more vroom vroom (loose contact). We can still argue that for some strange reason it has sent the wrong signals to the ECU but still we have:

Brakes lights should come on instantly after a few millimetres of brake pedal action. This also gives signal to the ECU that the brake pedals have been depressed and the system should get ready to decelerate (i.e., ignition timing retards, fuel supply returns to idle volume, etc.) Even if, let’s say that, the ECU malfunctions and ignores the brake signals, even then you will not be losing any brake on any wheel and the brakes are conservatively designed to overcome the weight of the car plus much much much more, which only means that the car should stop anytime immediately. Brakes are one of the most heavily engineered parts of the car, and brake failure on a relatively new car would be the same chances as winning the lotto.
It is quite evident on the videos, even though the drivers claim that they are experienced drivers, that they are not fully aware of driving an AT vehicle. One fact which supports this is the failure to step on the brakes while changing gears – very common mistake. This is evident in some of the videos because the brake lights did not light up in the instance that they are supposed to change gear, i.e. after driver change, coming from neutral, etc.

In conclusion, nobody would accept the fact that they mistakenly stepped on the accelerator instead of the brakes when you have just caused multi vehicle damages and/or death/injuries to pedestrians, especially with the Pinoys who are fond of “iwas pusoy”. And to the Pinoy driver, the “blame others” mentality trumps humility and all reason and logic. Instead of saying “I am sorry, I made a mistake”, the Pinoy would rather point to something else or someone for his predicament. Apparently, Pinoys find it hard to accept mistakes, especially when you have the opportunity to ride the SUA bandwagon. Add to that our low quality media sensationalizing the said incidents, they should not be feasting on it like houseflies on s__t without any conclusive information. The government for its part should have their mechanism set in place for similar incidents, all I see is a bunch of people who really do not know squat how and where to begin their “investigation”. They approved it being sold in the country, they should know how to handle this.

The case of SUA on the said maker/model is also highly suspicious as only vehicles in the Philippines suffers from it while all Monterosport supplied to other countries are also made in the same plant in Thailand. Moreover, car makers would be using similar parts to other makes and models, why are there no cases of SUA for those models then? And if drive by wire was so unreliable why is it so widely used for decades now not only in the car industry? All other big name car manufacturers are using the same drive by wire system which only proves that this system is reliable and safe.

[dct]

got this from FB.... Nag sua daw ang montero nya.... he was able to take a picture while the car is reving to high heavens... and without a driver...

Conclusion... driver error yan!!! invisible lang sya....

Aba minumulto nga talaga ang montero kung ganyan. Walang susi tapos umaandar ang makina

[16r9]

got this from FB.... Nag sua daw ang montero nya.... he was able to take a picture while the car is reving to high heavens... and without a driver...

Conclusion... driver error yan!!! invisible lang sya....

So it is in "P" .... No key ignition...... It looks as if its in a garage or a parking lot..... He/she who took the pic is on the side / passenger seat...... Needle of rpm gauge is high..... The driver seat is leaning towards the steering wheel..... If it Suddenly accelerated then it would have hit a wall or something due to the pics background.... If it did then the airbag would have engage..... And the steering wheel is not at the center... Uhmm..... It doesn't make sense..... In my own perception.... It ain't real....

[aioshin]

Guys,

Like to share this.


http://www.autosafety.org/sites/defa...celeration.pdf

It is dated, 2012, and when you read it, it seems this forum is discussing topic that already exist on this file. I have not finished reading this but maybe some genius here can relate to this. No Mitsu seems mentioned on this document but take a look at the research and explanation provided. Why the airbag does not work during SUA, why elderly people mostly are involved. Why it happen mostly on parking area. Well, its a lot of reading, I will have to finish it.

[homhomnova]

Bogbog na sa balita si montero pati nagtitinda ng ballon kanina sa simbahan alerto nung nakita nya magpapark black monty "sabi nya aba montero ito distansya tau mahirap na"..

Natawa nga rin ako kanina sa misis ko.. pumunta kami sa trinoma with the kids.. nung magpapark na ako nagmamadali pa ako kse may bakante.. sabi ko swerte may bakante.. maya maya sabi ni misis.. d2 ba tayo magpapark? Sabi ko oo.. tapos sabi nya ayoko dito.. sabi ko bakit? Tapos sabi nya tingnan mo to sa gilid natin may naka park na montero nakaharap sa atin.. walang joe talaga.. ayun nag antay kami ng malilipatan.. hanggang sa naka pag park kami wala pa rin nag park dun sa inalisan namin.. hehe