Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[glenn_duke]

pwede mangyari yan sir kasi nga computer error yan, parang PC lang yan kapag nagloko or nagha-hang, kahit ano click mo sa mga apps di gagana, pati HDD light indicator di umiilaw. tsaka impossible na magshift pa sa drive yung driver sa ganyang sitwasyon, instinct agad nyan tapakan yung brake or itaas ang handbrake ng montero nya, kung naisip naman nya na ishift sa PARk dapat pataas at hindi pababa papuntang DRIVE kasi nga nasa REVERSE sya. yung starex namin dati kahit hindi inaapakan yung brake naka ilaw pa din yung brakelight, dinala namin sa casa nireset lang daw yung ECU ayun ok na ulit.

Ibig mobang sabihin na ang brake system ng Starex ay brake by wire na?
Nag upgrade ako ng brake lights ng Starex ko from single point to double dual point contacts, very straightforward yung ginawa ng installer, walang binutinting sa ECU.
The only time na hindi umiilaw yung brake lights ko is when it is busted.

[rene_tagle]

Ibig mobang sabihin na ang brake system ng Starex ay brake by wire na?
Nag upgrade ako ng brake lights ng Starex ko from single point to double dual point contacts, very straightforward yung ginawa ng installer, walang binutinting sa ECU.
The only time na hindi umiilaw yung brake lights ko is when it is busted.

hindi po ako may sabi nun sir, si hyundai balintawak ang nagsabi at nagdiagnose nun, una iniinsist ng pinsan ko sa brakelight switch, pero nung ginawa nila hindi daw sa switch yun reset lang daw ecu ginawa nila, since umayos nman at wala naman na pinalitan na piyesa, malamang totoo sinabi ng SA. nagbayad lang sya para sa pagreset, di ko na matandaan kung magkano pero less than 1k lang.

[Stigg ma]

hindi po ako may sabi nun sir, si hyundai balintawak ang nagsabi at nagdiagnose nun, una iniinsist ng pinsan ko sa brakelight switch, pero nung ginawa nila hindi daw sa switch yun reset lang daw ecu ginawa nila, since umayos nman at wala naman na pinalitan na piyesa, malamang totoo sinabi ng SA. nagbayad lang sya para sa pagreset, di ko na matandaan kung magkano pero less than 1k lang.

yong may brake mitigation system lang ang dumadaan sa ECU, the rest is plain old hydraulic system with brake light switch sa pedal...

clearly sa cctv kita na hindi umilaw ang 1st, 2nd and even the 3rd brake light... meaning hindi umapak ng brake yong driver... not unless busted lahat ng brake light nito or a faulty brake light switch due to some reasons (like flooded unit or poorly maintained lang yong tsikot), ang labas, driver error due to irresponsible to check the brake light once in awhile...

tsaka bakit ganun nung umatras siya at nabungo nya yong likod, diba ang 1st reaction mo nun eh to step on the brake pedal and see the damage? baket umabante pa? nilagay ba sa Drive from Reverse with HIGH RPM yong tranny? or sa impact ng pag atras eh lumipat kusa yong lever from reverse to neutral to drive? why? baka nag kamali talaga siya ng apak sa pedal kase kabado na siya at naka banga siya?

hindi gumana ang airbag due to di niya na abot ang min speed to deploy it for safety reasons, ang ikli kase ng space para ma reach niya yong min speed...

kung sa MT yan, im sure ang 1st reaction is umapak ng clutch (and go neutral) para ma cut ang power sa tranny... kaya siguro sabi ng iba dapat matuto muna mag MT bago mag AT

[frostmourn]

Ibig mobang sabihin na ang brake system ng Starex ay brake by wire na?
Nag upgrade ako ng brake lights ng Starex ko from single point to double dual point contacts, very straightforward yung ginawa ng installer, walang binutinting sa ECU.
The only time na hindi umiilaw yung brake lights ko is when it is busted.

You are right sir. Natawa ako dun ah. Napansin ko lang sa mga dealer, kung wala ka alam sa sasakyan kung ano ano lang sasabihin sayo ng mga sales advisor sa CASA para makapag dahilan sila. Maybe yung wire is grounded. ECU basically controls engine. Yung mga ilaw sir mechanical na yan. All of them has switch and hindi si ECU nagdedecide nyan to turn it on or off, yung driver itself. Hehe. Balik na tayo mga ka-SUHA sa montero.

[rene_tagle]

You are right sir. Natawa ako dun ah. Napansin ko lang sa mga dealer, kung wala ka alam sa sasakyan kung ano ano lang sasabihin sayo ng mga sales advisor sa CASA para makapag dahilan sila. Maybe yung wire is grounded. ECU basically controls engine. Yung mga ilaw sir mechanical na yan. All of them has switch and hindi si ECU nagdedecide nyan to turn it on or off, yung driver itself. Hehe. Balik na tayo mga ka-SUHA sa montero.

basahin mo yung link bago ka magsabi ng walang alam. thanks.

[rene_tagle]

Ibig mobang sabihin na ang brake system ng Starex ay brake by wire na?
Nag upgrade ako ng brake lights ng Starex ko from single point to double dual point contacts, very straightforward yung ginawa ng installer, walang binutinting sa ECU.
The only time na hindi umiilaw yung brake lights ko is when it is busted.

eto siguro yung ginawa ng hyundai balintawak, basahin mo yung tips.

How to Fix a Stuck Brake Light: 8 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow

[frostmourn]

Napansin ko sa CCTV footage ng ABS CBN kanina parang di naman nag brake yung driver. Parang di umilaw brake light.
Pero kataka taka bakit sa Pinas lang merong ganyan na case

Oo nga ano. Ito vid. Mukang kailangan nila ng malaking xmas bonus ah. Ang sipag magreport. Hehehe. Maniniwala ako dito pag may SUA na montero sa ibang bansa at strada. Hindi naman nila aaminin na error nila kasi last resort nila isisi sa manufacturer para makapag claim since hindi naman pala insured mga yan. Saklap. Sayang lang oras nila dyan.

PANOORIN: 'Sudden unintended acceleration' ng Montero Sport | ABS-CBN News

[Juan Martinez]

grabe din naman yung sa nangyari sa toyota last year in the states. they were made to pay a whooping1.2B USD for sudden accelaration related accidents. In other words, this isn't driver error alone--

Toyota to Pay $1.2B for Hiding Deadly ‘Unintended Acceleration’
By BRIAN ROSS JOSEPH RHEEANGELA M. HILLMEGAN CHUCHMACH AARON KATERSKY
March 19, 2014

Car manufacturer Toyota has agreed to pay a staggering $1.2 billion to avoid prosecution for covering up severe safety problems with “unintended acceleration,” according to court documents, and continuing to make cars with parts the FBI said Toyota “knew were deadly.”

A deferred prosecution agreement, filed today, forced Toyota to “admit” that it “misled U.S. consumers by concealing and making deceptive statements about two safety related issues affecting its vehicles, each of which caused a type of unintended acceleration.”


Toyota “put sales over safety and profit over principle,” according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.

“The disregard Toyota had for the safety of the public is outrageous,” Venizelos said. “Not only did Toyota fail to recall cars with problem parts, they continued to manufacture new cars with the same parts they already knew were deadly. When media reports arose of Toyota hiding defects, they emphatically denied what they knew was true, assuring consumers that their cars were safe and reliable… More than speeding cars or a major fine, the ultimate tragedy has been the unwitting consumers who died behind the wheel of Toyota vehicles.”

ABC News first reported the potential dangers of unintended acceleration in an investigation broadcast in November 2009. The report said hundreds of Toyota customers were in “rebellion” after a series of accidents were apparently caused by the unintended acceleration. Two months before, Highway Patrolman Mark Saylor and three members of his family had been killed after the accelerator in his Lexus had become stuck on an incompatible floor mat. Saylor was able to call 911 while his car was speeding over 100 miles per hour and explain his harrowing ordeal right up until the crash that ended his life.

EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION: Runaway Toyotas

At the time of the first ABC News report, Toyota attempted to assure its drivers that the incidents of sudden acceleration without warning were solely caused by floor mats becoming stuck on the gas pedals or driver error. But already other customers were complaining of similar problems with sudden acceleration, but some had nothing to do with the floor mats and they maintained they weren’t to blame either.

ABC News published dozens of reports in the following months as Toyota said it investigated and announced massive recalls to address the accelerators being stuck under floor mats – repeatedly assuring drivers that the problem had been taken care of. But today Toyota admitted that the recalls did not cover all the cars they knew were in danger and said that they also concealed another cause of sudden acceleration they had found during their investigations – “sticky” pedals, which refers to the accelerator getting stuck partially depressed.

In December 2009, the court records showed the company responded to “media accusations that it was continuing to hide defects in its vehicles” by publishing a statement on Toyota’s website saying the company “has absolutely not minimized public awareness of any defect or issue with respect to its vehicles [and] [a]ny suggestion to the contrary is wrong and borders on irresponsibility.”

Toyota only announced the issue with the “sticky” pedals, along with another massive recall, just minutes before an ABC News report on “World News” in January 2010 told the story of one driver whose Toyota Avalon took off suddenly on the highway.

The driver, Kevin Haggerty, credited ABC News with saving his life because he had seen a previous report that described what to do in the event of sudden acceleration. By shifting back into neutral, and back into drive when necessary, Haggerty was able to prod his broken vehicle to the dealership, where he said employees there saw that his problem with unintended acceleration firsthand had nothing to do with his floor mat.

However, Haggerty maintained that his sudden acceleration problem was not caused by a sticky pedal either. Regardless, today court documents showed Toyota knew about the sticky pedal problem in other Toyota models months before the recall and decided not to disclose it to regulators or the public.

For other drivers, it was already too late. In addition to deaths like the Saylors linked to unintended acceleration, a Minnesota man was serving an eight-year prison sentence for vehicular manslaughter when evidence emerged suggesting he could have been a victim of Toyota’s acceleration problem. After serving two years in prison, Koua Fong Lee was released and charges against him were dropped in 2010.

Earlier that year, an unidentified Toyota employee appeared to realize the dangerous game the company was playing.

“Idiots! Someone will go to jail if lies are repeatedly told. I cannot support this,” the unidentified employee said after a meeting between Toyota and regulators in January 2010, according to court documents.

Instead of jail, the company is now on the hook for the massive $1.2 billion fine, which U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said was the largest penalty of its kind for an auto manufacturer. The money is due by March 25.

“Toyota confronted this public safety emergency as if it was a public relations problem,” Holder said.

A senior Justice official added that Toyota made "blatant misrepresentations" in what he called a classic case of corporate culture that favored the seemingly easy way out instead of paying the cost and doing the right thing.

"The cover up is always going to be worse than the original sin," the official said.

In a statement posted on its website, Toyota said that at the time of the recalls the company “took full responsibility for any concerns our actions may have caused customers, and we rededicated ourselves to earning their trust.”

“In the more than four years since these recalls, we have gone back to basics at Toyota to put our customers first,” said Christopher Reynolds, chief legal officer of Toyota Motor North America. “We have made fundamental changes across our global operations to become a more responsive company – listening better to our customers’ needs and proactively taking action to serve them.”

“Entering this agreement, while difficult, is a major step toward putting this unfortunate chapter behind us. We remain extremely grateful to our customers who have continued to stand by Toyota. Moving forward, they can be confident that we continue to take our responsibilities to them seriously,” Reynolds said.

BTT

if it could happen to toyota, it could happen to mitsubishi too.

[petixs]

my lips are sealed....

Nice point, if you didnt see the brake lights.... then he didnt brake/try to brake, which he was saying in the interviews....

BTW, is it me or I keep popping Cherifer commercials, medyo ...wala lang...

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my lips are sealed....

Nice point, if you didnt see the brake lights.... then he didnt brake/try to brake, which he was saying in the interviews....

BTW, is it me or I keep popping Cherifer commercials, medyo ...wala lang...

[glenn_duke]

AFAIK, correct me if Im wrong, the Toyota SUA is different from the MS SUA.

Majority of the Toyota SUA in the US, the car is already in motion when the SUA occurred.
The SUA incidents were not isolated to one Toyota model but to different models including a model of its sister company Lexus.
And the SUA incidents were not confined to the US but it also happened in Europe and probably also in China.

While in the MS case in the Phil, the SUA happened while starting the vehicle.
SUA is only isolated to MS, despite it shared the same platform with Strada.
SUA is only reported in the Phil, despite the MS in SE Asia are all manufactured and assembled in Thailand


In the case of the Toyota SUA, it can be assumed that its a part defects, because the incident happened across different Toyota models.
In the case of the MS SUA, it cannot be assumed that the defect is symptomatic to all MS as it only affects a few Phil units.
If the MS SUA is a part defect, then we should be seeing the same SUA across all Mitsu vehicles sharing the same parts, i.e, Strada/Triton, Pajero Sports, Challenger, etc.

[Monseratto]

Toyota knew there was a problem with the sticky accelerator even before the news of SUA in the states came out. It first came out in Europe. And did not reveal/hid it. This is what they were penalized by the feds. Also they were sued by some owners when the resale value of toyota cars dropped....

[A121]

Just to add in this discussion, natandaan nyo yung namatay na ateneo grade schooler na nasagasaan? I think the driver mistook the accelerator pedal as the brake pedal. JDM Hiace na A/T yung sasakyan. Meron din incident na Mitsubishi Galant na A/T na nalaglag sa greenhills parking lot a few years back. I think the driver had a heart attack.

[kik0matsing]

Buhay na buhay na naman tong thread na to ah!

[jaggerx3]

Pero kung human error yan ang damit engot haha
Yan masasabi ko.
Balik tayo sa fact na PH models lang ano yun sinabotahe tayo? Haha

[car_fan]

Pero kung human error yan ang damit engot haha
Yan masasabi ko.
Balik tayo sa fact na PH models lang ano yun sinabotahe tayo? Haha

Posible kaya na parang cellphone firmware yan na ibat iba bawat country? 😁

[jaggerx3]

Posible kaya na parang cellphone firmware yan na ibat iba bawat country? 😁

I don't think so.
Pero sadyang over hyped ni kabayad ang kaso

[car_fan]

I don't think so.
Pero sadyang over hyped ni kabayad ang kaso

Sa talino ba naman ni kabayad, baka nga sobrang naiitindihan nya yun issue. Lol

[Monseratto]

Pero kung human error yan ang damit engot haha
Yan masasabi ko.
Balik tayo sa fact na PH models lang ano yun sinabotahe tayo? Haha

Many Filipino drivers are manual drivers. Only in the late 90s that AT made in road into the local market and lately became very affordable...

DTI should also reveal if there are other cars that have complaints regarding SUA...

[ClaNker]

Pag sa US to eh matinding lawsuit na to. Iba sa pinas, tapos mag dedemand ng lemon law.

Pinoy nga naman, parang mga gago lang.

[kisshmet]

^hahaha this i agree on

love the end of tv patrol when these clowns deliver their jokes