Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[Djerms]

Actually very possible with the thicker floor mats. This was the finding in the Toyota case in the US... not a throttle error, but extra thick floor mats which could pin the gas pedal and bunch up under the brake at the same time.

The manufacturer solution? Cut the floor mats around the gas pedal.



This is another thing I don't get about SUA... in your case, there is a known cause and there are signs before it happens... then afterwards, it still recurs. The same with the inhibitor switch failure (the one that puts the Monty in neutral).

In SUA cases, one time big time. Then that's it.

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*Djerms... hmmm... interesting idea... so injectors degrade... start leaking extra fuel... engine goes wild?

Not sure Niky...not really sure. After calibration, no more issues. Can it go wild if injectors leak or have blockages? I noticed Mitsubishi vehicles smoke really bad. More smoke = more carbon buildup in engine parts including injectors right? And I also experienced sputtering ang power surges with my 2011 strada glx-v with under 5tkms. Sorry for hating the brand so much. Lol.

[CVT]

Not sure Niky...not really sure. After calibration, no more issues. Can it go wild if injectors leak or have blockages? I noticed Mitsubishi vehicles smoke really bad. More smoke = more carbon buildup in engine parts including injectors right? And I also experienced sputtering ang power surges with my 2011 strada glx-v with under 5tkms. Sorry for hating the brand so much. Lol.

Should also be a consideration....


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[Monseratto]

DZMM is really sticking to the case... I guess whoever did the research for them doesn't know how old this "problem" has been going..

[niky]

Not sure Niky...not really sure. After calibration, no more issues. Can it go wild if injectors leak or have blockages? I noticed Mitsubishi vehicles smoke really bad. More smoke = more carbon buildup in engine parts including injectors right? And I also experienced sputtering ang power surges with my 2011 strada glx-v with under 5tkms. Sorry for hating the brand so much. Lol.

Hey, you're an owner... you have a right to bash your own car. :hysterical:

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*glenn, I don't think clogged injectors would do it... unless they clog and suddenly declog. Not impossible, maybe, but piezo injectors would have to degrade really badly, I think, for that to happen. You would notice those issues, like you said... terrible fuel economy... right before things went wide-open ape-**** nuts.

It's possible the tuning is marginal, but as there's still room for tuning, I don't think it's any worse than other comparable direct injection systems.

What I'd really like to see is a diesel expert (Berrima?) from outside Mitsubishi get ahold of one of these cars, just to check.

[Izzie]

Sudden Acceleration

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Sudden Acceleration

https://www.motorists.org/blog/drive...ive-you-crazy/

[glenn manikis]

Actually very possible with the thicker floor mats. This was the finding in the Toyota case in the US... not a throttle error, but extra thick floor mats which could pin the gas pedal and bunch up under the brake at the same time.

The manufacturer solution? Cut the floor mats around the gas pedal.



This is another thing I don't get about SUA... in your case, there is a known cause and there are signs before it happens... then afterwards, it still recurs. The same with the inhibitor switch failure (the one that puts the Monty in neutral).

In SUA cases, one time big time. Then that's it.

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*Djerms... hmmm... interesting idea... so injectors degrade... start leaking extra fuel... engine goes wild?

Niky.. Possible din kasi, over tweaked na din YuNg engine NG MOntero... Remember it's the same old engine model used in previous Mitsubishi vehicles, they just upgraded the injection pump, turbo and noozles.. Kaya Pag shift mo, imbes na mag idle up Lang NG kunti.. Like yung idle up pag nag turn on Ka NG A.C. , ang nangyayari nag oover idle up sya.. Just like what I did sa auto ko, I tweaked the injection pump to advanced-- Air to fuel mixture yung ginalaw ko..-- kaya imbes na sakto Lang ibigay na diesel, sobra sobra ang binibigay Na diesel NG injection pump sa engine.. Nagloko na.. Kasi nga over tweaked na yung injection pump...

Oo Nga pala.. Nung nag SUA yung auto ko.. May narinig din ako.. Na fuel knock and yung Mga valves ko tumutope... Then boom... Sudden burst of speed... With lots of white and black smoke...

[glenn manikis]

Same Lang ba horsepower and torque NG strada at Ng montero?

[CVT]

Same Lang ba horsepower and torque NG strada at Ng montero?

Should be bro.... About 175HP+ and 350 N-meter for the VGT variant....



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[glenn manikis]

Nag SuA Na din Dati Yung sasakyan ko... Not a Montero... Ginalaw ko Kasi injection pump... Para lumakas pa Ang hatak....

Ganun din ang effect, parang binuhusan ng isang katutak na diesel ang combustion camber.. Buti nalang it happened sa Startoll... Downhill and naka engine brake Ako more than 10secs... Mabuti at wala akong kasabay at that time.. Pero humarurot talaga... Kahit mag preno ako umaarangkada pa din... What I did was just turn off the key na.. Kasi Nung nilagay ko sa nuetral Umabot 5.5rpm.. Then it happened again... Nung Naka idling AKO NG matagal.. Nung pinasok ko sa 1st gear, Bigla nalang nagwild... Then Sobrang usok... Na white and black smoke.. Nuetral and brake then turn off Lang....

Symptoms na Napancin ko before mag sua.. Malakas sa diesel compare sa normal..

Then binalik ko Lang Sa dati yung settings ng injection pump.. Hindi na ulit nangyari....

[StockEngine]

not sure if this was posted...but here's what the supposed engineer thinks of the recent accident.



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not sure if this was posted...but here's what the supposed engineer thinks of the recent accident.

[Djerms]

Nag SuA Na din Dati Yung sasakyan ko... Not a Montero... Ginalaw ko Kasi injection pump... Para lumakas pa Ang hatak....

Ganun din ang effect, parang binuhusan ng isang katutak na diesel ang combustion camber.. Buti nalang it happened sa Startoll... Downhill and naka engine brake Ako more than 10secs... Mabuti at wala akong kasabay at that time.. Pero humarurot talaga... Kahit mag preno ako umaarangkada pa din... What I did was just turn off the key na.. Kasi Nung nilagay ko sa nuetral Umabot 5.5rpm.. Then it happened again... Nung Naka idling AKO NG matagal.. Nung pinasok ko sa 1st gear, Bigla nalang nagwild... Then Sobrang usok... Na white and black smoke.. Nuetral and brake then turn off Lang....

Symptoms na Napancin ko before mag sua.. Malakas sa diesel compare sa normal..

Then binalik ko Lang Sa dati yung settings ng injection pump.. Hindi na ulit nangyari....

Sa trooper 4jg2 din nangyari yan sa amin. Went wild due to faulty injectors. Buti nalang na neutral ng dad ko kaagad. Pero its an old vehicle that lacked maintenance. Injectors badly needed calibration. Problema sa mitsubishi mukhang hit or miss. Yung iba premature failure siguro. All we can do is speculate. IMO, its not driver's error but quality control, but thats just me.

[minicarph]

Umkasyon na nga, ititira nila non-VGT old Montero for lower end Suv,
no SUA problems

Offer nila new body Montero, may mitigsting collision system. For higher end

[Djerms]

Umkasyon na nga, ititira nila non-VGT old Montero for lower end Suv,
no SUA problems

Offer nila new body Montero, may mitigsting collision system. For higher end

Hehehe. At least may mitigating collision system na. Hahaha.

[HUMABOL KA]

eh pano ung mga biktima na may SUA problems ganun na lang hayaan na lang? and hindi lang naman VGT variants ata ang may SUA kasi ung nagreklamo nga ata sa ABS-CBN eh non-vgt nga ata un GLS variant

[glenn manikis]

eh pano ung mga biktima na may SUA problems ganun na lang hayaan na lang? and hindi lang naman VGT variants ata ang may SUA kasi ung nagreklamo nga ata sa ABS-CBN eh non-vgt nga ata un GLS variant

Dapat kasi yung mga nag rereklamo kumuha ng independent team to check and inspect the Montero na involve sa SUA, Document and thoroughly check the SuA involve na car.. And Look for solid evidence... Then it's time to file a case against Mitsubishi...

Or get at least 3-4 other sua victim then file kayo ng case against Mitsubishi...

[HUMABOL KA]

Dapat kasi yung mga nag rereklamo kumuha ng independent team to check and inspect the Montero na involve sa SUA, Document and thoroughly check the SuA involve na car.. And Look for solid evidence... Then it's time to file a case against Mitsubishi...

Or get at least 3-4 other sua victim then file kayo ng case against Mitsubishi...

the problem is ung ibang montero na involved sa SUA eh total wreck na so pano pa nila ma aasess kung ano nga ba naging problema hehe

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Dapat kasi yung mga nag rereklamo kumuha ng independent team to check and inspect the Montero na involve sa SUA, Document and thoroughly check the SuA involve na car.. And Look for solid evidence... Then it's time to file a case against Mitsubishi...

Or get at least 3-4 other sua victim then file kayo ng case against Mitsubishi...

the problem is ung ibang montero na involved sa SUA eh total wreck na so pano pa nila ma aasess kung ano nga ba naging problema hehe

[altec]

eh pano ung mga biktima na may SUA problems ganun na lang hayaan na lang? and hindi lang naman VGT variants ata ang may SUA kasi ung nagreklamo nga ata sa ABS-CBN eh non-vgt nga ata un GLS variant

https://thewanderingarcher.wordpress...ion-incidents/

makita sa pics meron gls-v, gtv models kasama sa non vgt nag SUA.

[HUMABOL KA]

https://thewanderingarcher.wordpress...ion-incidents/

makita sa pics meron gls-v, gtv models kasama sa non vgt nag SUA.

yup that's exactly my point, non-vgt or vgt eh parehong involved sa SUA

[glenn manikis]

IMO electeinics, fuel system, and injection system and mechanical and electrical areA Lang ang check nila.. And yung mismong mga total wreck man o hindi na suv ang kaninang evidence...

[Monseratto]

Toyota Sudden Acceleration: Is It All Older Drivers' Fault?

The op-ed page of The New York Times, carried a lengthy article last week by Richard Schmidt, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, noting that driver error is almost always at fault in supposed sudden acceleration cases.

Based on his work in the 1986 Audi sudden acceleration case, he writes, "The trouble, unbelievable as it may seem, is that sudden acceleration is very often caused by drivers who press the gas pedal when they intend to press the brake."

Toyota is likely haunted by the spectre of Audi's 1986 trials, when an inflammatory "60 Minutes" report led to scores of claims of so-called sudden acceleration. Audi's crisis management was a textbook case of what not to do--it clammed up, then it blamed drivers--but it was ultimately exonerated.

A long NHTSA investigation closed the books by saying the problem was "pedal misapplication," though it noted that Audi had spaced its pedal very closely together. By that time, Audi's sales had plummeted to numbers so low that the company almost pulled out of the U.S.

Audi subsequently installed an automatic shift lock, which prevents the car from being shifted into gear unless the brake pedal is pressed. Sudden acceleration incidents from standstill have plummeted in cars with shift locks, which Audi licensed to all carmakers.

Schmidt notes that drivers 60 to 70 years old had complaints at six times the rate of those 20 to 30. Complaints were also more common among those unfamiliar with the car involved, and people of short stature. All cars involved had automatic transmissions.

How can a driver place a foot on the wrong pedal? Schmidt cites "noisy neuromuscular processes," in which a limb doesn't do quite what the brain tells it to, leading a driver's foot to deviate slightly from its intended path. Drivers misaligned in their seats raise the risk too.

In the panic following acceleration when the driver expected braking, the immediate response is to press down harder on the "brake" pedal, leading to further acceleration. Drivers, Schmidt says, "typically do not shut off the ignition, shift to neutral, or apply the parking brake."