Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[ieddam]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

[Monseratto]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

Ganun mga Mitsu Galant dati. Shift lock button lang mga 2007- 2014 MS.

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[kagalingan]

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baka wala pa sampo bumili ng galant sa pinas at once a week lang gamitin.

wala ng market si mitsu sa normal size sedan.

Tataka ako jan sa mitsu bakit wala sa ibang bansa like mga western coutnries. Kahit sa china parang wala ako nababasa.

[yapoy86]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

Parang.. i remember nung naka display pa yung 1st gen montero.. no need to press brake.. pwede ma move yung shifter in any gear..

Yung papunta sa drive wala talaga lock yan yung reverse dapat ang meron.. kahit yung basic kia pica ko di mo malalagay sa reverse pag hindi ka naka brake

[vinrem]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

1. Matagal na akong nagdadrive and if my foot slips while stepping on the brake, mostly it won't slip going to the gas pedal, laging it slips going to the floor.
2. Sino ba mag step muna sa gas pedal and then they put it in D? Let say for argument sake your stepping on the gas pedal, d ba you can hear the car revving hard?

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[istan]

Earlier than 2006 Lancer ganun rin. No need to step on brake.
Wala ka naman naririnig na SUA dun.

Common sense driving lang naman, u'll avoid stepping on gas when u shift.

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[Ry_Tower]

1. Matagal na akong nagdadrive and if my foot slips while stepping on the brake, mostly it won't slip going to the gas pedal, laging it slips going to the floor.
2. Sino ba mag step muna sa gas pedal and then they put it in D? Let say for argument sake your stepping on the gas pedal, d ba you can hear the car revving hard?

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Earlier than 2006 Lancer ganun rin. No need to step on brake.
Wala ka naman naririnig na SUA dun.

Common sense driving lang naman, u'll avoid stepping on gas when u shift.

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Exactly. Common sense and logic will tell you beforehand of you are stepping on the right or wrong pedal before shifting.

Talagang yung nag-SUA na yan eh gas pedal talag inapakan agad after shifting to D or R as the case maybe.

Granted that the pedals are close to each other and level as well (parang pinakita before pedal placements kasi ng MS at Fortuner ata yun), still you would know instantly if it's the gas or the brake pedal you are stepping on. 1st mas matigas ang brake, lalaban yan. 2nd yung ingay nga ng makina maririnig mo agad. Kapag nataranta talaga nga naman isasaid pa inaapakan at later pa realization na mali pala naapakan.

There was a comment before na nitong 2000s na lang talaga nauso mga SUV at sobrang dami na. It is a possibility na yung mga bumili ng MS came from cars with different pedal ergonomics. I don't think it's their fault if the new buyers did not familiarize themselves properly enough sa vehicle na binili nila. I remember when I was starting to use an AT lagi din ako nagkakamali apak. Subsob pa nga kapag magpreno.

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[dr. d]

Exactly. Common sense and logic will tell you beforehand of you are stepping on the right or wrong pedal before shifting.

Talagang yung nag-SUA na yan eh gas pedal talag inapakan agad after shifting to D or R as the case maybe.

Granted that the pedals are close to each other and level as well (parang pinakita before pedal placements kasi ng MS at Fortuner ata yun), still you would know instantly if it's the gas or the brake pedal you are stepping on. 1st mas matigas ang brake, lalaban yan. 2nd yung ingay nga ng makina maririnig mo agad. Kapag nataranta talaga nga naman isasaid pa inaapakan at later pa realization na mali pala naapakan.

There was a comment before na nitong 2000s na lang talaga nauso mga SUV at sobrang dami na. It is a possibility na yung mga bumili ng MS came from cars with different pedal ergonomics. I don't think it's their fault if the new buyers did not familiarize themselves properly enough sa vehicle na binili nila. I remember when I was starting to use an AT lagi din ako nagkakamali apak. Subsob pa nga kapag magpreno.

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human reflexes vary from person to person.
some are simply... luckier than others.
and yes, reflexes do deteriorate over time, with age, and with disease.
yun lang.

one has to understand, that when one wrongly steps on the wrong pedal,
the realization that he stepped on the wrong pedal, has to be generated by the brain.
and the brain can do that if the eyes, the back, and other receptors below the neck, send the proper signals to the brain.
only then, will the brain process the information, and send signals to the legs, to "hey stupid foot! you're on the wrong pedal! go to the left pedal!"
any problem concerning those pathways, can delay the prefered reaction.

some folks, thru practice and thru genetics, can develop reflex pathways, involving some parts of the body, and to the leg, without having to go up to the brain, for processing and instructions. this shortens the reaction time significantly.

so yes!
these reflexes that will avoid SUA, are learned reflexes. one has to learn them, thru practice, to make them faster.

[KingoftheNorth]

I'm no believer of the SUA induced by some supposed mechanical or electronic defect of the Montero Sport.

That said, Mitsubishi dropped the ball when they allowed ABS-CBN and anchor Noli de Castro to perpetuate the SUA problem without evidence. There was no PR work done to counteract it at all.

[Ry_Tower]

human reflexes vary from person to person.
some are simply... luckier than others.
and yes, reflexes do deteriorate over time, with age, and with disease.
yun lang.

one has to understand, that when one wrongly steps on the wrong pedal,
the realization that he stepped on the wrong pedal, has to be generated by the brain.
and the brain can do that if the eyes, the back, and other receptors below the neck, send the proper signals to the brain.
only then, will the brain process the information, and send signals to the legs, to "hey stupid foot! you're on the wrong pedal! go to the left pedal!"
any problem concerning those pathways, can delay the prefered reaction.

some folks, thru practice and thru genetics, can develop reflex pathways, involving some parts of the body, and to the leg, without having to go up to the brain, for processing and instructions. this shortens the reaction time significantly.

so yes!
these reflexes that will avoid SUA, are learned reflexes. one has to learn them, thru practice, to make them faster.

Agree doc.

That is why proper training of the next driver in the family shouldn't be taken lightly. The basics will go a long long way in avoiding - as much as possible - accidents.

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[dr. d]

but i have yet to hear of a driving school,
"today, students, let us practice how to SUA and how to survive SUAs..."

[yubby24]

Eto dapat sunod na icover ng mythbusters eh.

[babkalakal]

The thing is, that's not statistically conclusive enough. There's also a fair share of senior and new drivers on the road, 24/7, that are driving other A/T vehicles... It just boggles the mind why these types of accidents predominantly happens on a Montero.

It is very hard to prove that the accident is 100% driver-initiated... it is highly likely, however, to be a combination of the following:

1. A still undetermined fault with the vehicle
2. Driver ergonomics
3. Driver's lack of training to arrest the emergency situation (ie. immediately stepping on the brakes, shutting off the engine, and/or shifting to Neutral)

Is the Strada of the same vintage identical to the montero in terms of driver ergonomics? Mechanically we can say they are they same.

I previously owned a 2nd gen montero. In the 6yrs and 80t plus kms. I owned it I could remember probably a couple or 3 incidents wherein I was momentarily parked and mistakenly left it in "D" or "R" still stepping on the brake pedal. In my case it was not pedal misapplication but assuming I was in park or neutral. Fortunayely no accidents.

What mystifies me is the instances of being in wide open throttle.

[babkalakal]

The car matting in the Montero can get stuck in between the gas pedal and the floor/side wall. with the proliferation of custom made 3M weather matting it might be a contributing factor to the accident.

How come i havn't heard of a Same Gen Strada having SUA?
its basically the same engine and transmission as the Montero.

I did not have any issue with the matting in the time owning one though I used a generic rubber floor mats you could buy at ace or true value. The pedals of the montero are "up" hinged also I find them to have adequate space from the floor and footwell.

[babkalakal]

Alam ko not true ito for that generation "pa".

Pero from p to r, need mo pa din press yung shift lock release para bumaba, kahit walang brake application.

Pwede mo nga start from neutral yang generation ng monty. Di ko lang sure kung nabago sa current gen.

But still, driver error pa din ito. Ang nangyari lang, hindi ito design failure per se kasi pwede mo sabihin expected mo may presence of mind ang marunong magdrive at license na marinig makina nagrerebolusyon dahil mali tapak nila.

Ika nga, yung additional safeguard na yan sa shifting ay wala lang/wala pa.

Parang kung ginawa nila stepped or gated yung transmission, mas magiging obvious din kung asan nakalagay.

Mga ganun ba.

Kaya nga dad ko na hindi sanay sa matic, hindi pinapamaneho ng montero para sigurado na lang.

Hindi lang montero bro. we had Hondas that could be started from either "D" or "N" as well.

[_Qwerty_]

my A/T Toyota Avanza can be started from N as well.

[17Sphynx17]

Hindi lang montero bro. we had Hondas that could be started from either "D" or "N" as well.

Personally, ang pinaka basic additional safeguard lang sana na naiisip ko is kung ginawa lang siguru na hindi pwede mahugut ang susi kung hindi nakapark ng transmission

Alam ko hindi naman ito exclusive sa montero na design, but medyo nakakapanibago lang talaga kasi yung namamaneho ko na toyota, nissan or honda hindi naman ganun.

Pero, sanay lang din na. At tsaka bago ko tlga galawin ang at, nakapreno muna ako kahit anu dala ko.

[dr. d]

my A/T Toyota Avanza can be started from N as well.

so does my altis.
i think, many cars can be started at N.

and i can't pull my key out from my AT wigo, innova, and altis, if the stick isn't in P. good safety precaution.

[greenlyt]

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kaya I have this habit of stepping on the brake first before shifting to D or R

[_Qwerty_]

ang isa pang pwede cause eh kung may humps or gutter or stopper or bato tapos aatras or aabante ka.. some drivers mahina ang foot coordination.. kailangan mo tapakan nang konti yung gas para maka atras or abante.. yung iba naibabaon nang todo kaya nag over tapos hindi naman matapakaan agad yung preno..


ganyan yung nangyari don sa Hilux na sumalpok sa parlor sa IloIlo last year.. umaatras sya tapos nalaglag yung gulong nya sa gutter.. so aabante sya ulit.. since may gutter.. tinodo tapak sa gas.. ayun hindi naka brake agad..

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