Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[dr. d]

What the government needs to do first is fix the LTO system of approving Driver's Licenses ... before blaming accidents on "faulty" pedal design ... it's more fun in the Philippines ...

Trivia ... China hates Mitsubishi for some reason ... there are very few Mitsubishi vehicles running in China ...

?? mitsubishi made the famous world war II airplane, the mitsubishi A6M Zero, that the japanese then, used against its enemies. including china.

[kagalingan]

Kung stocks ito thread eh TIBA TIBA ako.

Year 2015 active pa ito thread...Tapos year 2016 eh natabunan so binuhay ko na lang. Mga weekly sinisilipi-silip ko minsan once in two weeks.... Pero this year meron something eh ewan ko ba.... Namesmesrize ako sa personality ni bernardino bernardo.... Kahit ano bash sa facebook hindi natitinag. Inaasar na tatang pero carry lang.

Si raffy nieto eh meron maayos na proposal na itest low voltage.....Kaso UMATRAS MITSUBHISHI

These two SUA victims eh MATIBAY.

So nagtiyaga ako subaybayan by posting, updating this thread......

and BOOOOM biglang nagbago isip ng DTI !!!!!

Tapos nagsusuffer na new montero sa projected sales....

Pag naging final na decision about SUA eh WALA NG INSURANCE MAGCOCOVER NG MONTERO.

[glenn_duke]

The DTI order for recall is for MMPC to make their MS pedals "idiot proof",
and not because of SUA. Basically the group of Bernie lost in their arguments.
Pampalubag loob nalang sa grupo nila yung order ng DTI.

[chronicle]

If the pedal needs to be idiot proof then something is wrong with the driver..

[CVT]

The DTI order for recall is for MMPC to make their MS pedals "idiot proof",
and not because of SUA. Basically the group of Bernie lost in their arguments.
Pampalubag loob nalang sa grupo nila yung order ng DTI.

Bro.,- I am not certain if I missed that line, "make the pedals idiot-proof" or something, which to me is a product recall for a product upgrade.

What I read was Mitsu to RECALL & REFUND the MS AT owners the market-value of their vehicles,- again, bannered by the names of the group in capital letters. Again,- here it was













Again,- IMO,- if this is deemed by the Court as a gimme decision,- then Macaroy and Jacob should be administratively charged for wasting the taxpayers' money for making a no-basis, shady decision.

But then of course, do not forget The McDonald's scalding hot coffee.....

[altec]

Obviously di na ma adjust ang fuel pedal sa left hand drive units. Bakit di na lan i adjust ang brake pedal position? Move slighty left or reduce the brake pedal size, and adjust the pedal to make it more elevated, like the brake pedal to gas pedal ng fortuner? Recall doesn't have to be condemning the whole car but to make changes on the particular part that is causing the issue.

[niky]

Obviously di na ma adjust ang fuel pedal sa left hand drive units. Bakit di na lan i adjust ang brake pedal position? Move slighty left or reduce the brake pedal size, and adjust the pedal to make it more elevated, like the brake pedal to gas pedal ng fortuner? Recall doesn't have to be condemning the whole car but to make changes on the particular part that is causing the issue.

Nope.

The brake pedal has to be moved slightly to the right and the accelerator has to be moved even further to the right.

Whether the transmission tunnel actually leaves any space to do that... well...

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I do feel sorry for the victims... this decision isn't a decision at all, and is not the resolution either side actually wants.

[leonleon]

Baka kasi walang nagmamay ari ng 2009 MS AT sa mga naka Capital Letters ang pangalan...

So only the units of those with Capital Letters have defective pedal design?

Other MS AT units passed the design standard?

Idiots talaga mga nasa DTI.

[Ry_Tower]

Hahaha, natawa naman ako na specific AT units pa talaga lang ang pinupunto ha. Parang magkaiba pa pedal nung low end at sa totl. Ayos talaga.

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[monty_GTV]

I do feel sorry for the victims... this decision isn't a decision at all, and is not the resolution either side actually wants.

i do feel sorry too for the unfortunate victims.

but i think the resolution is what the complaining party wants. a total recall, get the money they paid plus compensation for damages

[niky]

i do feel sorry too for the unfortunate victims.

but i think the resolution is what the complaining party wants. a total recall, get the money they paid plus compensation for damages

Depreciated value, though. And with the appeals and whatnot... matagal pa yan.

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Also, what some are complaining about is it still cites driver error... mitigating factor lang. Which means Mitsubishi has a good chance with the appeal, especially if they can explain the problem with citing the pedal offset findings as a causative factor.

[dr. d]

Depreciated value, though. And with the appeals and whatnot... matagal pa yan.

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Also, what some are complaining about is it still cites driver error... mitigating factor lang. Which means Mitsubishi has a good chance with the appeal, especially if they can explain the problem with citing the pedal offset findings as a causative factor.

i am thinking... it might not be the pedal. it might be the seat!

[niky]

i am thinking... it might not be the pedal. it might be the seat!

Low seat position... though I don't recall if it was offset.

Some vehicles do have seats off-set to make up for lack of elbow room... I recall one test unit that drove me batty... the steering wheel, seat and instrument gauges didn't line up.

I always felt like I was sitting wrong. It's only when I got out and eyeballed everything that I realized that it really was built that way. Don't recall what car it was, though. A Chevy or something...

[kagalingan]

Montero’s recall from the market


posted June 12, 2017 at 12:01 am by Rita Linda V. Jimeno

Last week was a time for celebration for the hundreds of complainants against the Mitsubishi Montero SUV. The Department of Trade and Industry finally, after at least five years of receiving complaints and doing nothing concrete, ordered Mitsubishi to cease and desist from selling the 2010 to 2015 models of Montero automatic transmission SUVs. More significantly, the Trade and Industry Department also ordered the recall of these models and to pay the owners their money value taking into consideration depreciation. The DTI also imposed a fine on Mitsubishi for violations of the Consumer Act.

It will be recalled that complaints about the Montero sports vehicle going wild on a sudden unintended acceleration hit the news on large scale in 2015 prompting even Congress to do a probe. Before then, I was the proverbial lone voice in the wilderness writing tirelessly about incidents of the Montero suddenly accelerating uncontrollably, hitting other vehicles and structures. Deaths and physical injuries arising from such accidents have been reported but Mitsubishi’s consistent defense was “driver error.” Back in 2011 to 2014, what Mitsubishi would do was to offer to buy back the damaged vehicles at a low price then make the owner-victims sign a confidentiality agreement that they were not supposed to talk to anyone about the settlement. Back then, too, because the victims mostly felt powerless and alone, they would individually accept a settlement no matter how unacceptable it was. A blog by victims of the Montero’s unintended acceleration had to be taken down too as part of the terms of settlement with Mitsubishi. For the complainants, the Trade and Industry department did not do enough to help consumers, fomenting frustration and a sense of helplessness. This led victims to resort to the social media, creating a face book account, where victims shared their respective experiences with the Montero.

Things came to a head when more and more complainants came forward, some of whom were members of prominent and political families, forcing the Trade and Industry department to take a more proactive action. It then created a Consumer Protection Investigating Panel which conducted public hearings. Twenty-four individuals who were victims of the Montero’s sudden unintended acceleration submitted sworn affidavit. This prompted the DTI-Fair Trade and Enforcement Bureau—Enforcement Division to officially file a complaint with the DTI against Mitsubishi to enforce consumer rights.

The DTI’s Fair Trade Adjudication Division promulgated a carefully crafted decision dated May 10, 2017, released only last week. The decision, to my mind, is an excellent material for study by law students for being a perfect example of how an agency of government that is tasked to promote trade yet also mandated to protect consumer rights can do a balancing act. Thus, the decision stated that while there was insufficient evidence to hold Mitsubishi liable for SUA-related defects, the unrefuted existence of numerous unfortunate incidents all involving one type of vehicle—the Montero automatic transmission sports—raises a high reasonable probability that there must be a defect in the vehicle’s design or mechanical aspect. While Mitsubishi asserted that the report done by an expert it hired, HORIBA MIRA, to study the vehicle said that the vehicle did not have defects that could cause sudden unintended acceleration, the DTI said the findings of Mitsubishi’s expert group were hearsay and self-serving as HORIBA was not an independent body chosen by both the parties. Just the same, DTI used this very same study which stated that there was a defect in the positioning of the acceleration and brake pedals of the vehicle which might have caused the Montero accidents. With this, the DTI anchored its decision on Articles 10 and 164 of the Consumer Act which prohibit the sale of injurious, dangerous and unsafe products as well as Article 97 which makes a trader liable for selling products with defects.

The DTI defined its balancing duties when it said in the decision, “In the event a body tasked by law with the role of both enhancing trade and empowering consumers has chosen to uphold consumerism, it does not intend to impress upon the masses that consumerism finds superiority over the promotion of trade, but merely breathes life into its written obligation under the law to protect its citizens because they are the people of the sovereign state which the Department of Trade and Industry is tasked to serve.”

The greatest lesson drawn from the Montero saga is that it is up to us, the sovereign people, to exercise vigilance over our rights as consumers. Had the victims remained quiet and continued to individually accept the unacceptable settlements being then offered by Mitsubishi, with undertakings of confidentiality to boot, the Trade department would not have had the political will to sanction a giant trade entity, in an ultimate manner, to protect consumers. And oh, today is Independence Day. Let this be the day we, consumers, claim independence from the shackles of oppressive business practices.

Montero’s recall from the market - Manila Standard

[Monseratto]

Low seat position... though I don't recall if it was offset.

Some vehicles do have seats off-set to make up for lack of elbow room... I recall one test unit that drove me batty... the steering wheel, seat and instrument gauges didn't line up.

I always felt like I was sitting wrong. It's only when I got out and eyeballed everything that I realized that it really was built that way. Don't recall what car it was, though. A Chevy or something...

The old everest had the same low seat position...

[niky]

The old everest had the same low seat position...

It's a common issue with older PPVs. Since they descended from working pickups, the chairs often feel like they're bolted right to the frame rails.

[dragon05]

It's a common issue with older PPVs. Since they descended from working pickups, the chairs often feel like they're bolted right to the frame rails.

half of victims are veteran drivers with 20+ years experience

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[Monseratto]

High incident of SUA or pedal misapplication victims in the US are senior citizens...

‘Pedal misapplication’ and older drivers - The San Diego Union-Tribune

PEDAL MISAPPLICATION

What: Stepping on the accelerator instead of the brake.
Who: It can happen to anyone, but pedal-error accidents by the elderly get the most attention.
Why: Experts say the mistake is most likely caused by a loss of mental and physical agility, either because of disease, medications or physical deterioration due to old age.

half of victims are veteran drivers with 20+ years experience

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[CVT]

half of victims are veteran drivers with 20+ years experience

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Who are these, please? And their vintages?

[dragon05]

Who are these, please? And their vintages?

haha i just based on the complainant that i saw on the news..

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