Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[mongze]

ang problema ung pag apak sa accelerator akala preno ang tinatapakan

kaya lalo didiinan ang apak kasi ayaw huminto

Especially pag nataranta at napapikit while driving.


ito din kaya reason ng iba bakit binebenta mga Montero ;)

[babkalakal]

The thing is, that's not statistically conclusive enough. There's also a fair share of senior and new drivers on the road, 24/7, that are driving other A/T vehicles... It just boggles the mind why these types of accidents predominantly happens on a Montero.

It is very hard to prove that the accident is 100% driver-initiated... it is highly likely, however, to be a combination of the following:

1. A still undetermined fault with the vehicle
2. Driver ergonomics
3. Driver's lack of training to arrest the emergency situation (ie. immediately stepping on the brakes, shutting off the engine, and/or shifting to Neutral)

Is the Strada of the same vintage identical to the montero in terms of driver ergonomics? Mechanically we can say they are they same.

I previously owned a 2nd gen montero. In the 6yrs and 80t plus kms. I owned it I could remember probably a couple or 3 incidents wherein I was momentarily parked and mistakenly left it in "D" or "R" still stepping on the brake pedal. In my case it was not pedal misapplication but assuming I was in park or neutral. Fortunayely no accidents.

What mystifies me is the instances of being in wide open throttle.

[oj88]

Is the Strada of the same vintage identical to the montero in terms of driver ergonomics? Mechanically we can say they are they same.

I previously owned a 2nd gen montero. In the 6yrs and 80t plus kms. I owned it I could remember probably a couple or 3 incidents wherein I was momentarily parked and mistakenly left it in "D" or "R" still stepping on the brake pedal only to be surprised when transferring my foot to the accelerator. Fortunately for me no accidents. There was no time practically for the car to "creep" when transferring my foot from the brake to the gas pedal.

They're similar. Though, driving ergonomics might not be 100% identical. The same goes with the other systems, like the ECM/PCM.... I'm certain that they're not interchangeable. As such, a design flaw can potentially exist in one vehicle model that is not present in the other.

[Ry_Tower]

Hintayin na lang kasi result ng class suit para magkaalaman na. Hirap puro speculation eh.

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[oj88]

Hintayin na lang kasi result ng class suit para magkaalaman na. Hirap puro speculation eh.

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Aabutan pa ba natin yan in this lifetime?

[Ry_Tower]

Aabutan pa ba natin yan in this lifetime?

Mga 8-10 years siguro hehe

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[Monseratto]

Hintayin na lang kasi result ng class suit para magkaalaman na. Hirap puro speculation eh.

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Baka may 5th generation na Montero di pa iyan tapos...

[monty_GTV]

my unit belongs to Gen2 which is mired with the alleged SUA phenomenon is turning 8 yrs old next month with odo reading of almost 195k kms.

i don't find anything wrong with the pedal ergonomics or the stock matting per se. we had or currently owned other AT vehicles and i don't see much of a difference in the pedal design or the way they are installed. albeit one thing in common and obvious, you have to lift your foot and release the accelerator to press the brake pedal. i think that's a no brainer to anyone driving or have experienced driving an AT vehicle. so for SUA to happen? i must be stepping the wrong pedal.

btw, back to my unit. had a timing belt replacement lately and i noticed it lost some of its agility and become sluggish even with a throttle controller. me thinking i'll go for a ecu reflash to have that SIA back again[emoji6]

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[ieddam]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

[Monseratto]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

Ganun mga Mitsu Galant dati. Shift lock button lang mga 2007- 2014 MS.

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[kagalingan]

^
baka wala pa sampo bumili ng galant sa pinas at once a week lang gamitin.

wala ng market si mitsu sa normal size sedan.

Tataka ako jan sa mitsu bakit wala sa ibang bansa like mga western coutnries. Kahit sa china parang wala ako nababasa.

[yapoy86]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

Parang.. i remember nung naka display pa yung 1st gen montero.. no need to press brake.. pwede ma move yung shifter in any gear..

Yung papunta sa drive wala talaga lock yan yung reverse dapat ang meron.. kahit yung basic kia pica ko di mo malalagay sa reverse pag hindi ka naka brake

[vinrem]

Totoo ba ito? You don't need to press on the brake pedal to shift into reverse/drive vice versa?

1. Matagal na akong nagdadrive and if my foot slips while stepping on the brake, mostly it won't slip going to the gas pedal, laging it slips going to the floor.
2. Sino ba mag step muna sa gas pedal and then they put it in D? Let say for argument sake your stepping on the gas pedal, d ba you can hear the car revving hard?

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[istan]

Earlier than 2006 Lancer ganun rin. No need to step on brake.
Wala ka naman naririnig na SUA dun.

Common sense driving lang naman, u'll avoid stepping on gas when u shift.

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[Ry_Tower]

1. Matagal na akong nagdadrive and if my foot slips while stepping on the brake, mostly it won't slip going to the gas pedal, laging it slips going to the floor.
2. Sino ba mag step muna sa gas pedal and then they put it in D? Let say for argument sake your stepping on the gas pedal, d ba you can hear the car revving hard?

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Earlier than 2006 Lancer ganun rin. No need to step on brake.
Wala ka naman naririnig na SUA dun.

Common sense driving lang naman, u'll avoid stepping on gas when u shift.

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Exactly. Common sense and logic will tell you beforehand of you are stepping on the right or wrong pedal before shifting.

Talagang yung nag-SUA na yan eh gas pedal talag inapakan agad after shifting to D or R as the case maybe.

Granted that the pedals are close to each other and level as well (parang pinakita before pedal placements kasi ng MS at Fortuner ata yun), still you would know instantly if it's the gas or the brake pedal you are stepping on. 1st mas matigas ang brake, lalaban yan. 2nd yung ingay nga ng makina maririnig mo agad. Kapag nataranta talaga nga naman isasaid pa inaapakan at later pa realization na mali pala naapakan.

There was a comment before na nitong 2000s na lang talaga nauso mga SUV at sobrang dami na. It is a possibility na yung mga bumili ng MS came from cars with different pedal ergonomics. I don't think it's their fault if the new buyers did not familiarize themselves properly enough sa vehicle na binili nila. I remember when I was starting to use an AT lagi din ako nagkakamali apak. Subsob pa nga kapag magpreno.

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[dr. d]

Exactly. Common sense and logic will tell you beforehand of you are stepping on the right or wrong pedal before shifting.

Talagang yung nag-SUA na yan eh gas pedal talag inapakan agad after shifting to D or R as the case maybe.

Granted that the pedals are close to each other and level as well (parang pinakita before pedal placements kasi ng MS at Fortuner ata yun), still you would know instantly if it's the gas or the brake pedal you are stepping on. 1st mas matigas ang brake, lalaban yan. 2nd yung ingay nga ng makina maririnig mo agad. Kapag nataranta talaga nga naman isasaid pa inaapakan at later pa realization na mali pala naapakan.

There was a comment before na nitong 2000s na lang talaga nauso mga SUV at sobrang dami na. It is a possibility na yung mga bumili ng MS came from cars with different pedal ergonomics. I don't think it's their fault if the new buyers did not familiarize themselves properly enough sa vehicle na binili nila. I remember when I was starting to use an AT lagi din ako nagkakamali apak. Subsob pa nga kapag magpreno.

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human reflexes vary from person to person.
some are simply... luckier than others.
and yes, reflexes do deteriorate over time, with age, and with disease.
yun lang.

one has to understand, that when one wrongly steps on the wrong pedal,
the realization that he stepped on the wrong pedal, has to be generated by the brain.
and the brain can do that if the eyes, the back, and other receptors below the neck, send the proper signals to the brain.
only then, will the brain process the information, and send signals to the legs, to "hey stupid foot! you're on the wrong pedal! go to the left pedal!"
any problem concerning those pathways, can delay the prefered reaction.

some folks, thru practice and thru genetics, can develop reflex pathways, involving some parts of the body, and to the leg, without having to go up to the brain, for processing and instructions. this shortens the reaction time significantly.

so yes!
these reflexes that will avoid SUA, are learned reflexes. one has to learn them, thru practice, to make them faster.

[Ry_Tower]

human reflexes vary from person to person.
some are simply... luckier than others.
and yes, reflexes do deteriorate over time, with age, and with disease.
yun lang.

one has to understand, that when one wrongly steps on the wrong pedal,
the realization that he stepped on the wrong pedal, has to be generated by the brain.
and the brain can do that if the eyes, the back, and other receptors below the neck, send the proper signals to the brain.
only then, will the brain process the information, and send signals to the legs, to "hey stupid foot! you're on the wrong pedal! go to the left pedal!"
any problem concerning those pathways, can delay the prefered reaction.

some folks, thru practice and thru genetics, can develop reflex pathways, involving some parts of the body, and to the leg, without having to go up to the brain, for processing and instructions. this shortens the reaction time significantly.

so yes!
these reflexes that will avoid SUA, are learned reflexes. one has to learn them, thru practice, to make them faster.

Agree doc.

That is why proper training of the next driver in the family shouldn't be taken lightly. The basics will go a long long way in avoiding - as much as possible - accidents.

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[dr. d]

but i have yet to hear of a driving school,
"today, students, let us practice how to SUA and how to survive SUAs..."

[KingoftheNorth]

I'm no believer of the SUA induced by some supposed mechanical or electronic defect of the Montero Sport.

That said, Mitsubishi dropped the ball when they allowed ABS-CBN and anchor Noli de Castro to perpetuate the SUA problem without evidence. There was no PR work done to counteract it at all.

[valskie01]

Human error naman talaga. Pero sana may safety design. Like you cannot move the shift lever from P to R or D without depressing the brake pedal first. Hindi rin dapat mag start ang car pag nakalagay sa R, N, D yung shift lever. Lahat kasi ng a/t car ko ganon. At least mabawasan yung driver error. One time my car wont start yung pala nasa neutral yung shift lever kaya ayaw mag start[emoji1]

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