4th Gen Montero Sport (2023)

[StockEngine]

Or Nissan might simply borrow the Montero's 8 speed AT and dropped it on their Terra.

Small chance in my opinion, this will cost too much R&D.

The frontier development in the US might hep though. They're using a 9spd from JATCO a Nissan company. I hope they utilize the 4N15 it is more reliable and more advanced than the 2.3TT from Nissan/Renault

[tool_46n2]

Agree with using newer Mitsubishi engine vs the older Nissan YD25DDTI, but I also hoping they bump up the displacement to rival those of power output leaders Fortuner 2.8L and Everest 2.0 Bi-turbo. (200HP / 500NM). I dislike having an extra turbo unit for added complexity

Mitsu's 2.4L 4N15 output exceeds those of Toyota 2.4L GD engine, and they shouldnt have any problem reaching the those power outputs just by increasing stroke lengths. I have no reason to believe we need more than 200hp 500nm (or even 150hp / 350NM), but it should be the new benchmark especially for the next gen SUVs to be attractive and competitive.

[GTcervan]

Even if they manage to bump those figures, it will still be slow compared to a turbo crossover like the forester or explorer anyway.

[Egan101]

Even if they manage to bump those figures, it will still be slow compared to a turbo crossover like the forester or explorer anyway.

Turbo petrol have always shown to have more power compared to a turbo diesel even though turbo diesel has more torque. In a flat-out sprint, higher power wins.

Below is an example how turbo diesel performs assuming the same displacement and the same platform are used. VW Golf in GTi, GTi Clubsport, and GTD variants are compared in terms of quickness.

VW Golf GTI v Clubsport v GTD: DRAG RACE - YouTube

In the case of ladder frame vehicles with big turbo petrol engines, they are also much quicker than its turbo diesel counterparts. Despite its size and weight, the Expedition and F150 3.5L Ecoboost can accelerate in 0-100kmh in just over 6 seconds.

Ask EQ on how his tuned LC200 fares in performance against his stock Expedition 3.5L Ecoboost. Hehehehe


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[GTcervan]

Turbo petrol have always shown to have more power compared to a turbo diesel even though turbo diesel has more torque. In a flat-out sprint, higher power wins.

Below is an example how turbo diesel performs assuming the same displacement and the same platform are used. VW Golf in GTi, GTi Clubsport, and GTD variants are compared in terms of quickness.

VW Golf GTI v Clubsport v GTD: DRAG RACE - YouTube

In the case of ladder frame vehicles with big turbo petrol engines, they are also much quicker than its turbo diesel counterparts. Despite its size and weight, the Expedition and F150 3.5L Ecoboost can accelerate in 0-100kmh in just over 6 seconds.

Ask EQ on how his tuned LC200 fares in performance against his stock Expedition 3.5L Ecoboost. Hehehehe


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Kaya in dubai or similar places, they are the popular powertrains offered for many models there. Cheap fuel prices and maybe good traffic makes them desirable. In the philippines tho? Very different story lmao. But if petrol prices are much cheaper here, there's no question as to which option to choose between the two.

[Egan101]

Kaya in dubai or similar places, they are the popular powertrains offered for many models there. Cheap fuel prices and maybe good traffic makes them desirable. In the philippines tho? Very different story lmao. But if petrol prices are much cheaper here, there's no question as to which option to choose between the two.

Pinoys should thank the government for mandating that diesel prices be lower. In most other countries, diesel is more expensive.


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[dr. d]

Pinoys should thank the government for mandating that diesel prices be lower. In most other countries, diesel is more expensive.


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i'm a diesel user myself.
but if government wants to steer the population away from the potentially more polluting diesel, they should make diesel fuel more expensive than gasoline.

[Egan101]

i'm a diesel user myself.
but if government wants to steer the population away from the potentially more polluting diesel, they should make diesel fuel more expensive than gasoline.

It’s a political agenda, doc. A politician wouldn’t lobby for cleaner air and thus drive people away from diesel knowing he/she would get flak from the masses who rely on public transport that uses diesel fuel. Di ka makakakuha ng boto nyan. Hehehehe


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[dr. d]

It’s a political agenda, doc. A politician wouldn’t lobby for cleaner air and thus drive people away from diesel knowing he/she would get flak from the masses who rely on public transport that uses diesel fuel. Di ka makakakuha ng boto nyan. Hehehehe


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a former President did precisely that: rationalize the so-called fuel of the masses, to the detriment of gasoline.
our air would probably be cleaner now, had gasoline been the favored child instead.
cleaning up nature isn't cheap.

i wonder,
does anyone have figures on air cleanliness now, vis a vis pandemic lockdown, compared to air from three years ago?

[GTcervan]

Pinoys should thank the government for mandating that diesel prices be lower. In most other countries, diesel is more expensive.


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That's what you would call third world problems. Gusto nila diesel para kahit papano tatakbo parin sila sa baha. Kaya yung mga mauusok na jeepneys diyan never nang mawawala yan sa mga bulok na kalsada ng las islas filipinas. But then again, what do you expect here when there are other richer nations that can give better hope.

[dr. d]

That's what you would call third world problems. Gusto nila diesel para kahit papano tatakbo parin sila sa baha. Kaya yung mga mauusok na jeepneys diyan never nang mawawala yan sa mga bulok na kalsada ng las islas filipinas. But then again, what do you expect here when there are other richer nations that can give better hope.

i'd go gasoline if not for the floods.
had i been driving my gasoline vehicle the other week,
malamang ay hindi nako naka-uwi that night.

if vehicle safety and anti-pollution were the government's objective,
they should set even higher standards for our public utility vehicles.
instead, they give them a free pass.
"license to pollute" and "license to endanger".

[ice15]

i'd go gasoline if not for the floods.
had i been driving my gasoline vehicle the other week,
malamang ay hindi nako naka-uwi that night.

Old school diesel engines lang pwede mo ilusong sa baha. old school diesel does not have have the electricals commonly found on petrol engines. (you normally cut-off the air intake to turn off the engine). only issue you have to worry about is kung mabasa terminals ng starter.

Pero since modern diesels now have computer boxes, may limit na din yung lusong mo sa baha.

One more thing, diesel vs petrol sa baha. since the diesel engine is normally bigger than their petrol counterparts, you also get a higher pressure of smoke coming out of the muffler. hence, higher chance of success sa baha.

[GTcervan]

i'd go gasoline if not for the floods.
had i been driving my gasoline vehicle the other week,
malamang ay hindi nako naka-uwi that night.

if vehicle safety and anti-pollution were the government's objective,
they should set even higher standards for our public utility vehicles.
instead, they give them a free pass.
"license to pollute" and "license to endanger".

Kung pollution lang naman dr., umm ewan ko lang. Alam naman kasi ng karamihan na matagal nang pinabayaan ang kalikasan ng pinas hanggang sa nasanay na ang mga noypi diyan. Pero kung titingnan niyo sa malaking larawan, bakit walang kuwenta daw ang ginagawang dolomite beach sa manila bay? Siguro anti-pollution yun kaso may mga nagrereklamo na sayang lang pera diba.

Ang punto ko lang, baka naman pag gumawa na sila ng hakbang para jan sa tinatawag na anti-pollution sa mga makina ng mga bagong modelo ay baka tuloy na kaliwa't-kanan na pagpuna nanaman ulet ang manggagaling sa mga mamamayan.

Anyway huwag na iyon tuloy na tatalakayin rito kase panget lang magiging patutunguan ng mga ganitong usapin. Kaya btt nalang po tayo.

[GTcervan]

Old school diesel engines lang pwede mo ilusong sa baha. old school diesel does not have have the electricals commonly found on petrol engines. (you normally cut-off the air intake to turn off the engine). only issue you have to worry about is kung mabasa terminals ng starter.

Pero since modern diesels now have computer boxes, may limit na din yung lusong mo sa baha.

One more thing, diesel vs petrol sa baha. since the diesel engine is normally bigger than their petrol counterparts, you also get a higher pressure of smoke coming out of the muffler. hence, higher chance of success sa baha.

But ppvs and similar rugged suvs usually have advertised wading capacity of at least 700mm. I'm not so sure sa crossovers pero kung meron man, baka below 500mm lang. Although useful lang yan sa floody areas during rainy seasons. Yet it's one of the reasons why mas common sila rito than cuvs.

[tsupermario]

a former President did precisely that: rationalize the so-called fuel of the masses, to the detriment of gasoline.
our air would probably be cleaner now, had gasoline been the favored child instead.
cleaning up nature isn't cheap.

i wonder,
does anyone have figures on air cleanliness now, vis a vis pandemic lockdown, compared to air from three years ago?

Climate report must be 'death knell' for fossil fuels: UN chief - France 24

[emoji51]

[ice15]

But ppvs and similar rugged suvs usually have advertised wading capacity of at least 700mm. I'm not so sure sa crossovers pero kung meron man, baka below 500mm lang. Although useful lang yan sa floody areas during rainy seasons. Yet it's one of the reasons why mas common sila rito than cuvs.

based on my personal experience.

it's basically how high is the starter from the ground (yes, i've burned a couple during college thanks to Espana)

for cars with a lot of electronics. you can also start to panic when the engine fan starts hitting the water as it will start to spray water all over the engine bay.

[GTcervan]

based on my personal experience.

it's basically how high is the starter from the ground (yes, i've burned a couple during college thanks to Espana)

for cars with a lot of electronics. you can also start to panic when the engine fan starts hitting the water as it will start to spray water all over the engine bay.

Ya good points. But for diesels, usually puro common rail na talaga. Unless archaic model like the lc70 (tho crdi also na ata yung 1vd niya) or the former l300 with the mighty 4d56 engine kaya yes. They have become more vulnerable na than before but still fare better than petrols in this aspect.

[dr. d]

Climate report must be 'death knell' for fossil fuels: UN chief - France 24

[emoji51]

... only if they hear the bell and heed it...

[Egan101]

Kung yung tubig baha is just half the height of your vehicle’s tires, then that would be just fine. Gas or diesel man yan sasakyan mo.


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[ice15]

^agree, normally yung starter is a bit higher than the vehicle's floor

so only issue will be the fan

one more thing, college days, linagay ko yung air intake sa ilalim ng grill. big mistake