2011 Mitsubishi Montero Sport [ARCHIVED]

[Expatio]

I am still confused here

I have read back through the last four pages and the only one I see mentioning blue smoke is you, Sir Gundam. But I gather you do not have the new vgt yourself. Maybe I missed one post, as I do not speak Tagalog.

Sure you are correct; blue smoke would point to a problem (probably egr). But who has reported this blue smoke?

Also you seem to under the impression that this is a new engine. New for us here in The Philippines; but it has been around for a few years elsewhere without any serious issues.

[maz7487]

Blue smoke. No blue smoke; it is black smoke.

I do not think it is a big deal.

It is probably combination of the bad diesel I bought in a provincial town and the auto climate control working full blast for 20 mins with window open (me smoking ).

Black smoke is produced when you have bad diesel in a modern engine and/or there is too rich a mixture. Even Mercs and bmws emit this if you put your foot to the floor from low revs and the turbo is winding up. EGR help with this but do not totally eliminate it.

There is a small possibility that there is a problem with the egr/wasgate; but my guess is it is a combination of poor diesel, and extreme idling. I think the auto aircon controls idle speed as I did notice rev changes.

This morning after the car was cool enough and in the shade I idled it for 5 mins and there was no smoke. I had the aircon on full auto, but window closed so it wasn't on full power. A little puff came out as I accelerated away. Will wait until this tank of fuel gets very low and will then fill with a better diesel.

As for black smoke when accelerating; if it happens regularly, this means either you are not used to a modern a/t or you have a heavy foot

There is no need to put your foot right down (to kickdown) or anywhere near, just to go down one gear. A gentle touch will take it down. Let the engine catch up with the depression of your foot; so make a nice smooth acceleration. Anything else is a waste of fuel will no real acceleration benefit.

Each A/T has different characteristics and I am not 100% at home with this one yet. But my last three cars were 5sp a/ts (one diesel) and I was always in the gear I wanted to be in.

Given time I will master it as will all of us, new to this model.

Happy Driving

Very well said sir Expatio. but even if the engine is already warmed up there still smoke but not black or blue just white smoke when i idle. I tried going outside of town this morning and observed my unit if theres still black smoke when i overtake and then now i only see white smoke coming out. i was slightly relieved but still abit concerned about the smoke.

[gundam]

[maz7487]

I have noticed another thing on my monty. Meron akong naririnig na konteng kalampag sa may dashboard banda. sa may front passenger airbag banda ewan lang kung ano yun pero di naman siya ganoon kaingay maririnig mo lang siya pag naka off ang music. anyone has similar problems like this?

[pest patrolman]

i hope they already figured out the issue with black smoke before i get my new gtv monty next week. i'm sure it only need some tweeking on the fuel injection system.

My GTV is at 500+km with no black smoke issues. I also started observing several GTVs at slex & actex, with no signs of this black smoke. I was wondering if this is fuel-brand-related. Can those black smoke posters please share what diesel brand they are using?

[maz7487]

My GTV is at 500+km with no black smoke issues. I also started observing several GTVs at slex & actex, with no signs of this black smoke. I was wondering if this is fuel-brand-related. Can those black smoke posters please share what diesel brand they are using?

Yung sa akin kasi halo halo na. Pero kadalasan talaga ang nilalagay ko eh yung diesel with techron D kasi it cleans your engine daw. sabi sa commercial.hehe

[Ry_Tower]

Don thank you for the tip and more power...

Use the Quote + button para 2 or more kaya mong i-quote.

[Vetdoc]

My GTV is at 500+km with no black smoke issues. I also started observing several GTVs at slex & actex, with no signs of this black smoke. I was wondering if this is fuel-brand-related. Can those black smoke posters please share what diesel brand they are using?

I use Petron Diesel Max, I just stick to specific gas stations that are new. Less worries on issues of water precipitates in diesel.

[nick_a_jose]

this happen to me thrice already, when turning the key to start the car, nothing happens, i'll just hear chirping beep. so, i thought transmission is in Reverse or Drive, but it's not. when i tried turning the key again, engine starts. any idea why?

the chirping beep is the sound we hear when we turn the key to start the car.

[dbhollanda]

Sir totoo po na parang malaking truck nga, hehe. I am not affected by that, siguro i just got used to it, seeing na lahat ng diesel engines na nakahatawan ko sa nlex are like that. pero syempre if our casa can do something about it, mas okay.

bro...

hindi lahat ng diesel engine ganyan lalo na ang mga modern crdi engines ng ibang brands...di ko na lang banggitin kasi baka maging OT at magkagulo pa sa forum pero again di po lahat ng diesel engines lalo na ang bagong technology (crdi) ng ibang brand e ganyan...

[gundam]

thanks sir Expatio for your inputs.
please bear with my english, the grammar of my fingertips is as bad as my tongue. hehe

mine is a gls-v: 4d56 model - KG4WGRPSL euro 2 compliant. your's is gt-v, i assume they are the same. tranny is different.
yes the 2.5 4d56 hi power DiD vgt was used in other country before Ph as you mentioned but the ones i saw in the net are all euro 4. their engine code is different. so i assume it is not 100% the same.
maybe there are the modification : parts/programming to downgrade it to euro 2.
those are the things that are buzzing in my head...

pang grievance komite na to ah. hehe

[don]

the chirping beep is the sound we hear when we turn the key to start the car.

i dont have this in my GLS-V

[nick_a_jose]

i dont have this in my GLS-V

i see, anyway, try listening to it later when you start your car. it's just a short chirp once you turn the key, simultaneously as the engine starts.

thanks

[Expatio]

thanks sir Expatio for your inputs.
please bear with my english, the grammar of my fingertips is as bad as my tongue. hehe

mine is a gls-v: 4d56 model - KG4WGRPSL euro 2 compliant. your's is gt-v, i assume they are the same. tranny is different.
yes the 2.5 4d56 hi power DiD vgt was used in other country before Ph as you mentioned but the ones i saw in the net are all euro 4. their engine code is different. so i assume it is not 100% the same.
maybe there are the modification : parts/programming to downgrade it to euro 2.
those are the things that are buzzing in my head...

pang grievance komite na to ah. hehe

My apologies Sir Gundam. I got confused when you said 2010 DENR sticker.

So it's your GLS-V has blue smoke then; nobody else. I would take it straight back to the dealership (casa) if I was you. Where did you buy it? Sounds like a faulty erg/wastegate, seeing as it a brand new vehicle.

But do not put your problem in the same catorgory as those with normal black or white smoke. Blue smoke indicates a more serious problem.

As I said in my previous post, the trial I done today after 5 mins idle with moderate aircon yielded no smoke. Good luck at the CASA, and let us know the outcome.

As regards the downgrading here, I would say it is programned different (ecu) because the Euro diesel ULSD has virtually no sulphur per million (less than 10ppm) but extra additives as replacement because the sulphur enables lubricancy (indirectly). My guess is the sulphur here is anywhere between 350 ppm and 2000 ppm.

The extra proccessing of clean diesel requires a fairly high initial investment by refineries, but in long term would add only one or two percentage points to the price. Oil companies are not inclined to do this unless forced by legislators.

[maz7487]

paano po malalaman if naka valet mode yung alarm ng monty?

[don]

paano po malalaman if naka valet mode yung alarm ng monty?

valet mode is when the alarm led is not blinking and it's ON all the time. that means the alarm is disabled but you can still use the keyless entry.

[maz7487]

valet mode is when the alarm led is not blinking and it's ON all the time. that means the alarm is disabled but you can still use the keyless entry.

Got it. thanks sir don.

[elisher0210]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59912833*N03/5525606941/

ok here is the example of VGT emetting heavy white smoke take note pati casa ganyan din kasi pinagsabay sabay namin paandarin jeep ba nabili ko? so this is normal wow~ i even use seaoil Euro V unioil Euro IV and Unioil

[pest patrolman]

this happen to me thrice already, when turning the key to start the car, nothing happens, i'll just hear chirping beep. so, i thought transmission is in Reverse or Drive, but it's not. when i tried turning the key again, engine starts. any idea why?

the chirping beep is the sound we hear when we turn the key to start the car.

Did this happen on cold starts (engine is cold) or just randomly during the day?

[dbhollanda]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59912833*N03/5525606941/

ok here is the example of VGT emetting heavy white smoke take note pati casa ganyan din kasi pinagsabay sabay namin paandarin jeep ba nabili ko? so this is normal wow~ i even use seaoil Euro V unioil Euro IV and Unioil

naku...mapagkikitaan yan ng mga nanghuhuli ng smoke belching...