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[Juan Martinez]

para closer to tsikot..

we operate a few delivery trucks and one of the challenges is yung pag manage ng mga drivers... sa kalsada maraming risksng huli,,, minsan di ko na alam kung pinara talaga at mayviolation... or pinagkakakitaan na lang talaga ng traffic enforcer o ng driver ko...

from a legal point of view, ano ano ba ang pwede ideprnsang driver sa mga ganitong pagkakataon:
- smoke belching operations ng lgu or ng lto <?>
- highway patrol group "checkpoint" sa kalsada ( in the provinces)
- lgu traffic enforcer

first, paano madedepensahan ang smoke belching? wala yatang depensa yan. the thing speaks for itself. pag test na positive na smoke belcher yung sasakyan mo smoke belcher talaga yan unless there is something wrong in the conduct of the test or technology used is not reliable.
second, the mandate of the HPG is to protect the public against carnappers, highway robbers, and highjackers who are doing their thing in the highway. under ra 6975, the traffic management unit of the pnp (now, hpg; TMG before) is a national support unit mandated to enforce traffic laws and regulations. unless your employees (your drivers and pahinantes) are carnappers or highway robbers or highjackers or violators of traffic laws and regulations, wala naman puedeng ikakatakot natin dyaan sa mga checkpoints conducted by hpg.
third, the same thing with traffic enforcers.
the life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience. that's accdg. to Holmes. society creates law for its protection because of experience. and, i think, a rule of conduct prior to it being violated is really difficult to ascertain how to go about it.

[b_9904]

first, paano madedepensahan ang smoke belching? wala yatang depensa yan. the thing speaks for itself. pag test na positive na smoke belcher yung sasakyan mo smoke belcher talaga yan unless there is something wrong in the conduct of the test or technology used is not reliable.
second, the mandate of the HPG is to protect the public against carnappers, highway robbers, and highjackers who are doing their thing in the highway. under ra 6975, the traffic management unit of the pnp (now, hpg; TMG before) is a national support unit mandated to enforce traffic laws and regulations. unless your employees (your drivers and pahinantes) are carnappers or highway robbers or highjackers or violators of traffic laws and regulations, wala naman puedeng ikakatakot natin dyaan sa mga checkpoints conducted by hpg.
third, the same thing with traffic enforcers.
the life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience. that's accdg. to Holmes. society creates law for its protection because of experience. and, i think, a rule of conduct prior to it being violated is really difficult to ascertain how to go about it.

Certifications. Kaya pag huli roll cameras and ask for the certs.

[wowiesy]

first, paano madedepensahan ang smoke belching? wala yatang depensa yan. the thing speaks for itself. pag test na positive na smoke belcher yung sasakyan mo smoke belcher talaga yan unless there is something wrong in the conduct of the test or technology used is not reliable.
second, the mandate of the HPG is to protect the public against carnappers, highway robbers, and highjackers who are doing their thing in the highway. under ra 6975, the traffic management unit of the pnp (now, hpg; TMG before) is a national support unit mandated to enforce traffic laws and regulations. unless your employees (your drivers and pahinantes) are carnappers or highway robbers or highjackers or violators of traffic laws and regulations, wala naman puedeng ikakatakot natin dyaan sa mga checkpoints conducted by hpg.
third, the same thing with traffic enforcers.
the life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience. that's accdg. to Holmes. society creates law for its protection because of experience. and, i think, a rule of conduct prior to it being violated is really difficult to ascertain how to go about it.

I think my question is more on ano ba ang prescribed protocol dapat as per ordinance or law... na madalas hindi sinusunod ng enforcer.. hut since di alam ng motorista.. di din nya magamit laban sa enforcer... like.. sa smoje belching.. I heard ( didnt get to ask the actual basis na document) .. but mga requirements daw ay:
- valid mission order ( kung wala, di sila pwede mag operate)
- valid, recent ( as in max 15 days old) calibration ng equipment nila
- it shouldbe the driver na aapak sa accelerator.. hindi pwede daw yung enforcer team... ( pwede daw kasuhan ang enforcer team pag sila ang umapak sa accelerator)

I dont know if all these are true.. kaya nga im hoping we could get to the source ng issuance ng mga ganitong batas...

[Flip]

I think my question is more on ano ba ang prescribed protocol dapat as per ordinance or law... na madalas hindi sinusunod ng enforcer.. hut since di alam ng motorista.. di din nya magamit laban sa enforcer... like.. sa smoje belching.. I heard ( didnt get to ask the actual basis na document) .. but mga requirements daw ay:
- valid mission order ( kung wala, di sila pwede mag operate)
- valid, recent ( as in max 15 days old) calibration ng equipment nila
- it shouldbe the driver na aapak sa accelerator.. hindi pwede daw yung enforcer team... ( pwede daw kasuhan ang enforcer team pag sila ang umapak sa accelerator)

I dont know if all these are true.. kaya nga im hoping we could get to the source ng issuance ng mga ganitong batas...

Ang sa akin lang sa smoke belching is always start with probable cause. pagka confident ka na walang any sign of belching yung vehicle mo under normal operating conditions then enforcers cannot proceed testing. same principles lang din sa check points dapat i apply, pag wala makita na unusual sa visual inspection the police has to let you pass.

I believe yung probable cause dito is, there is smoke belching and your vehicle is probably causing it. Hindi yung, your vehicle is a diesel and it is probably smoke belching

IMO lang since wala pang test case. Bakit kasi wala pang nag fifile ng kaso questioning validity ng mga alanganing rules and procedures ngayon. dati kasi may mga masipag mag file ng cases like nung rfid ng lto and this MMDA vs Garin : 130230 : April 15, 2005 : J. Chico-Nazario : Second Division : Decision . baka sir gusto niyo kayo mag start haha

[Juan Martinez]

IMO lang since wala pang test case. Bakit kasi wala pang nag fifile ng kaso questioning validity ng mga alanganing rules and procedures ngayon. dati kasi may mga masipag mag file ng cases like nung rfid ng lto and this MMDA vs Garin : 130230 : April 15, 2005 : J. Chico-Nazario : Second Division : Decision . baka sir gusto niyo kayo mag start haha

please you read again MMDA vs. Garin. the lis mota is not about rfid. the issue in Garin is whether MMDA has the power to confiscate, suspend or revoke drivers licenses in the enforcement of traffic laws and regulation.
the SC held that, MMDA, unlike LGUs, does not have that authority.

[Flip]

^ alam ko sir. i was citing 2 cases. just dont know where to find link to the rfid case. point is madami court challenges against questionable government acts affecting ordinary citizens then. individual and group initiated cases or citizen taxpayer suits which benefited all of us. i dont know kung huli lang ako sa balita pero parang wala masyado ngayon or not as successful.

[b_9904]

I think my question is more on ano ba ang prescribed protocol dapat as per ordinance or law... na madalas hindi sinusunod ng enforcer.. hut since di alam ng motorista.. di din nya magamit laban sa enforcer... like.. sa smoje belching.. I heard ( didnt get to ask the actual basis na document) .. but mga requirements daw ay:
- valid mission order ( kung wala, di sila pwede mag operate)
- valid, recent ( as in max 15 days old) calibration ng equipment nila
- it shouldbe the driver na aapak sa accelerator.. hindi pwede daw yung enforcer team... ( pwede daw kasuhan ang enforcer team pag sila ang umapak sa accelerator)

I dont know if all these are true.. kaya nga im hoping we could get to the source ng issuance ng mga ganitong batas...

Mission order: check
Certifications: check
Driver aapak: dunno. Pero dapat driver ang aapak kasi para walang problema.