What do you believe in? Evolution or creationism?

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Dude, no offense, but you're trying to shove down a concept or belief to other people's throat even it the people you're talking to didn't have the same "growing up" experience as you did nor do I personally find your argument logical.

We respect your (and other Christians') belief in creationism, but what this thread is about is providing repeatable, objective-based proof that creationism is true beyond what a holy book says.

Again, there are a lot of religions that are waaaay older than Christianity, your argument dictates that all those are false and yours is the only "true" argument around...

That's not a discussion per se...

not really sir. i'm not forcing my beliefs. I merely used Chrisitianity as basis since most of us here are Christians, hence the 12 apostles & 1 billion Christians on the planet. so that they can relate.

even *city pointed out there are others religions that believe in a god/creator, which btw, reinforced my claim - the more people believe in a creator, the more it is true.

my point is why waste your life or risk your faith believing in something that is only a theory? it's not even a fact and science is all about facts.

but of course, I can be asked: why is creationism a fact? it's not, but that's the beauty of it. you dont have to prove it. it comes from within all of us. the notion of a creator is so acceptable to our human psyche -> it's almost like knowing that your very first served Starbucks ice blended coffee drink will taste and feel good.

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not really sir. i'm not forcing my beliefs. I merely used Chrisitianity as basis since most of us here are Christians, hence the 12 apostles & 1 billion Christians on the planet. so that they can relate.

even *city pointed out there are others religions that believe in a god/creator, which btw, reinforced my claim - the more people believe in a creator, the more it is true.

my point is why waste your life or risk your faith believing in something that is only a theory? it's not even a fact and science is all about facts.

but of course, I can be asked: why is creationism a fact? it's not, but that's the beauty of it. you dont have to prove it. it comes from within all of us. the notion of a creator is so acceptable to our human psyche -> it's almost like knowing that your very first served Starbucks ice blended coffee drink will taste and feel good.

This is where most of us come in error. "It's just a theory". Nobody even bothered to know what a scientific theory is and how a simple phenomenon became a theory and accepted by the whole scientific community.

A theory is formulated using the scientific method of discovering or proving a given phenomena to be truth or lie. The scientific method is yet the best way in finding the truth.

I'm not sure if some of us are aware of the scientific method. From the goings of the postings, it''s obviously not. Or we may have forgotten what we have studied in science or worst we were absent from the class where scientific theory and scientific methods were discussed and taught.

Let me leave how scientific methods are carried out to our posters to google it up.

The great advantage of the scientific method is that it is unprejudiced: one does not have to believe a given researcher, one can redo the experiment and determine whether his/her results are true or false. The conclusions will hold irrespective of the state of mind, or the religious persuasion, or the state of consciousness of the investigator and/or the subject of the investigation.

A theory is accepted not based on the prestige or convincing powers of the proponent, but on the results obtained through observations and/or experiments which anyone can reproduce: the results obtained using the scientific method are repeatable. In fact, most experiments and observations are repeated many times (certain experiments are not repeated independently but are repeated as parts of other experiments). If the original claims are not verified the origin of such discrepancies is hunted down and exhaustively studied.

Among the theories accepted by the scientific community and widely used are relativity, gravity, atomic, wavelight, etc...

In short, a theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory".


BTW, numbers still doesn't make claims to be true.

peace bros.

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A theory is accepted not based on the prestige or convincing powers of the proponent, but on the results obtained through observations and/or experiments which anyone can reproduce: the results obtained using the scientific method are repeatable. In fact, most experiments and observations are repeated many times (certain experiments are not repeated independently but are repeated as parts of other experiments).

you said it yourself theory is based on the results obtained through observations and experiments which anyone can reproduce.

let's take observation first, how did he Darwin observe evolution, unless he had a time machine, recorded earth's history from day 1 using his time space craft, and while back in the future, played all his observations in his PC. But wait! may PC or TV na ba noon panahon ni Darwin?

and now the experiments, even if Charles Darwin experimented on one stage of the evolution say for instance a whale shapeshifts(pardon the term hehehe) into an elephant, in a given period of time. That still proves nothing about evolution of humans.