Walang pasok due to transport strike (2/27/1017)

**dr. d** · February 26th, 2017 11:08 PM

they've been at this for decades... for political mileage... both sides...
hanggang moro moro na lang ba?
kelan natin malalanghap ang mas malinis na hangin?

**jut703** · February 26th, 2017 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

kelan natin malalanghap ang mas malinis na hangin?

While a jeepney is undoubtedly less environment-friendly than any car in the market today, it also serves as transpo for roughly 20 people. Hence, if comparing the per capita pollution contribution of a jeepney vs us private car users, guess who makes the environment worse-off?

My point is, people want jeepneys to change under the guise of environmental conservation. Yet, these very same people are unwilling to give up their comfy private cars.

Yes, there aren't any convenient alternatives that's why people still use their cars. There are also no other convenient alternatives for the commuting public and the jeepney drivers, which is why the jeepney remaina.

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**dr. d** · February 27th, 2017 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

While a jeepney is undoubtedly less environment-friendly than any car in the market today, it also serves as transpo for roughly 20 people. Hence, if comparing the per capita pollution contribution of a jeepney vs us private car users, guess who makes the environment worse-off?

My point is, people want jeepneys to change under the guise of environmental conservation. Yet, these very same people are unwilling to give up their comfy private cars.

Yes, there aren't any convenient alternatives that's why people still use their cars. There are also no other convenient alternatives for the commuting public and the jeepney drivers, which is why the jeepney remaina.

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how i go to the office, does not alter the fact that current jeepneys with ill-maintained, ancient engines will spew out more pollutant than jeepneys with newer, more well-maintained engines.
fair is fair. if the government forces me to maintain my car so's it will not spew out pollutant, they should do the same to the jeepney.

**StockEngine** · February 27th, 2017 12:12 AM

some bus makers now offer clean diesels. Instead of jeeps sana minibuses na euro4 sana. government should provide some sort payment scheme for these operators

problem is kahit hybrids walang incentive eh. how many prius were sold last year? 2?

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**_Cathy_** · February 27th, 2017 12:13 AM

I wonder when we'll have a good train system. I hope I live to see it.

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**jut703** · February 27th, 2017 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

how i go to the office, does not alter the fact that current jeepneys with ill-maintained, ancient engines will spew out more pollutant than jeepneys with newer, more well-maintained engines.
fair is fair. if the government forces me to maintain my car so's it will not spew out pollutant, they should do the same to the jeepney.

Again, what is the alternative? You are a doctor with the financial capacity to change cars if need be in the name of the environment.

Jeepney drivers aren't as privileged as you, which is why it's very, very important for them to know how they will be able to transition to new-age transportation without having to sell their children and their kidneys.

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**dr. d** · February 27th, 2017 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

Again, what is the alternative? You are a doctor with the financial capacity to change cars if need be in the name of the environment.

Jeepney driver's aren't as privileged as you, which is why it's very, very important for them to know how they will be able to transition to new-age transportation without having to sell their children and their kidneys.

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jeepney drivers and operators have been insisting on their in-abilities for decades now.
i think they have been warned long enough and often enough, to prepare themselves for this change..
but they won't prepare themselves. because experience has taught them, that government will back down, just as they always had thru the decades.

**jut703** · February 27th, 2017 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

jeepney drivers and operators have been insisting on their in-abilities for decades now.
i think they have been warned long enough and often enough, to prepare themselves for this change..
but they won't prepare themselves. because experience has taught them, that government will back down, just as they always had thru the decades.

Whether the government does it now, or whether they did it 10 years ago, or 10 years from now, the premise still stands - an outright ban on jeepneys will make their 600,000-peso investment suddenly worthless, leave them without a source of income to feed their families, and with no capital to buy a new, compliant vehicle.

The clamor is not to delay indefinitely the shift from prehistoric to modern transportation. What they need is support in order to do so smoothly. Again, I reiterate what I said in my previous post - phasing in terms of the phase-out, a trade-in system in place to help jeepney owners leverage their now-junk jeeps as downpayment, and a financing scheme that will allow them to pay off their loan without exorbitant interest.

Because this support has not been given to them, then they refuse to adapt simply because they can't. Which is why time and again, no progress happens.

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**StockEngine** · February 27th, 2017 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by _Cathy_

I wonder when we'll have a good train system. I hope I live to see it.

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For crowded places like India.. they thrive with mini buses, train systems there would slow the pace too much.

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**Juan Martinez** · February 27th, 2017 12:38 AM

for greater good rather than for betterment of some drivers, it is high time now that these old jeepneys should go. not only they pose risks to environment but, more importantly, health hazards to the public in general.

in their dilapidated state, old jeepneys are clear and present danger to commuting public and motorists. they are ticking bombs on the streets, not only in metro manila but also in many parts of the country. where i am now jeepneys look like running junks with wheels.

relying on government doesn't cut it. to paraphrase popoy juico, relying on government gets us no where, not unlike running on a thread mill- running for hours but doesn't bring the runner anywhere. jeepneys operators should be self-reliant. why would they engage in that line of business if they cannot sustain it. they owe it to their drivers. they are issued certificate of public convenience, but their wares hardly provide convenience to the riding public. they owe it more so to the public.