State of Emergency na sa Pilipinas!!!!!

[trotsky]

how can economic sabotage be harmless? the radicals are red communists that rally right in the heart of our financial district which sends potential investors away. Sila pa sigaw ng sigaw walang trabaho, wala makain and all that bullshit tapos they blame it all on the government kung bakit wala silang trabaho! how stupid can you get?

please understand sir that it is not rallies in business districts that scare investors. it is poor economic fundamentals. unions march in the middle of london or seoul, or even in hong kong, but investors do not ditch them for it.

even ms. arroyo concedes that it is the responsibility of government to create jobs for the people, preferably via investments. maybe the rallyists aren't as stupid as you ought them to be.

btw sir, is your surname mccarthy?

[Flagg]

please understand sir that it is not rallies in business districts that scare investors. it is poor economic fundamentals. unions march in the middle of london or seoul, or even in hong kong, but investors do not ditch them for it.

even ms. arroyo concedes that it is the responsibility of government to create jobs for the people, preferably via investments. maybe the rallyists aren't as stupid as you ought them to be.

btw sir, is your surname mccarthy?

Sir trotsky, do you realize that the countries you named have strong enough legal protection for investments to brush away rallies like you espouse? Why don't you mention that shaky country France, where they just love to rally? France has lost so much investment that in the business journals, you'll actually see ads promoting "The New (business friendly) France." France is so rich and it's rallyists are affecting it. How about us? Well, we were dry to begin with and we're being made to stay that way.

How about the US car companies?
GM & Ford - being dragged down by UAW-threatened strikes to protect UAW perks (including the infamous Jobs Bank - a lovely concept). Toyota & Nissan USA - doing extremely well - no UAW. Hmmm, what you say?

[oldblue]

Sir trotsky, do you realize that the countries you named have strong enough legal protection for investments to brush away rallies like you espouse? Why don't you mention that shaky country France, where they just love to rally? France has lost so much investment that in the business journals, you'll actually see ads promoting "The New (business friendly) France." France is so rich and it's rallyists are affecting it. How about us? Well, we were dry to begin with and we're being made to stay that way.

How about the US car companies?
GM & Ford - being dragged down by UAW-threatened strikes to protect UAW perks (including the infamous Jobs Bank - a lovely concept). Toyota & Nissan USA - doing extremely well - no UAW. Hmmm, what you say?

hehehe *flagg ganun ba sa france?

sana dito instead of rallyists clamoring for the President to step down, why not hold rallies to encourage investment. placards bearing words like: "WE LUV U FOREIGN INVESTOR!" or "YOUR SYMPATHY IS GOOD, BUT WE NEED JOBS ". it's surreal, but it's definitely refreshing. tulong-tulong hehehe

[Jun aka Pekto]

I need a break.......


Ahhhh. That's more like it, for now.

[chua_riwap]

Beltran arrested over a "21 year old case?" Bwa-ha-ha! Di naman siya nagtago ah, bakit ngayon lang?

Only in the Philippines!

[Isuzoom]

Sad to say that our country is run by the stupid government and the hungry opposition. sino kawawa? tayo mga tax payer...mga masa? in chinese Tang Na Nyo! pera namin nagpapalamun sa inyo!

[davy88]

ganda naman ng comparison mo trotsky, london...seoul...hong kong, hanep mukhang first world lahat. We are a third world country and ang daming third world country na puede pagpilian mag invest. Media and perception plays a BIG role in them choosing where to invest. Pipili ba sila maginvest kung saan may nag rarally everyweek, where all they are shouting is bring down the government...

And ayun nanga eh, gusto nga natin bumangon because cory, fvr, and erap "did such a good job" in making the philippines a prime destination for investors. We were already gaining a momentum in economic recovery and FUNDAMENTALS tapos banat lang ng banat ang opposition and rallyists.

and please listen to what the rallyists are shouting right now, they are not asking for a constitutional process, unlike in london, in seoul, in hong kong where they are marching and rallying about specific subjects WITH SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS.

First world sila, di man lang tayo second world kaya don't compare them with us. It's the responsibilty of the government to generate jobs but it is the responsibility OF EVERY FILIPINO to help attain a better future for our country. Yan nga ang mali nila, they blame the government and everybody but not themselves.

[delprado]

First world sila, di man lang tayo second world kaya don't compare them with us.

OT: Do you mean, from being a "third world" magiging "second world" muna tayo bago maging "first world" country?

I would rather remain living in a third world than living in the second world (ie. communist country).

[empy]

I would rather remain living in a third world than living in the second world (ie. communist country).

if those were the choices, then me too.

problem is, some very vocal countrymen of yours would like to see democracy perish in the philippines....replaced by...what? communism? dictatorship?

[niky]

I'm getting sick of all of this. I've told all my friends who have left that I want to weather it out here... and why not? I've got a good job, make just about enough cash to live comfortably, a wife and a kid and a school to help run... life is good for me, I have to admit.

But to condone having a President who uses the excuse of a "coup attempt" to attack and harrass all of her opponents and detractors, that's just a bit too much.

I've been keeping an eye on things. Warrantless arrests and detainment, the raid on the Tribune (almost as bad as Erap exerting pressure on the Manila Standard to get all those editors fired)... and Randy David... and now Crispin Beltran??? For a crime committed during the Marcos Regime? And the attempted arrest of the Bayan Muna reps (can't say I blame them for trying, though...)

She's gone over the edge. She declares a "State Of Emergency" to sidestep Congressional approval, but she's acting like she's got Martial Law powers... which she doesn't.

They don't have teeth to do what they're doing, and the fiscal who let David go admitted as much.

She's using the excuse of the "State of Emergency" to scare all of her opponents. I won't be surprised if, come Monday, these antics turn Congress against her... and with both Houses united against the President... along with the media, she's not going to last very long.

And I don't want my wife and kid around here to see the results of that.

[EL Chicane]

These things would never have happened if this rogue military from Magdalo never came into the picture. It's the Opposition pushing the government to its edge by committing illegal acts.

If they simply secured rally permits and held peaceful rallies, none of this state of emergency would have taken place. Kaso, the Opposition are trying to make themselves as illegal as possible and force the government to commit acts then use those acts to blame the government.

[EL Chicane]

Margaux, may pasok ka pag Linggo :question:

[Jun aka Pekto]

If they simply secured rally permits and held peaceful rallies, none of this state of emergency would have taken place. Kaso, the Opposition are trying to make themselves as illegal as possible and force the government to commit acts then use those acts to blame the government.

There's enough blame to go around for both sides. My understanding is that the rallyists already had the required permits only to be revoked at the last moment. I could be wrong since I'm viewing these as an outsider. So someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But, the issue now at hand extends far beyond mere rallyists. I've always thought that GMA was on the right track until her handling of the COMELEC issue and then this. We'll see in the next few days if she steers back to the right track or at least explain herself and her actions more clearly. Until then, I'm keeping a close watch on the whole situation. I too am concerned for my loved ones over there (yes, even my mom).

[niky]

These things would never have happened if this rogue military from Magdalo never came into the picture. It's the Opposition pushing the government to its edge by committing illegal acts.

If they simply secured rally permits and held peaceful rallies, none of this state of emergency would have taken place. Kaso, the Opposition are trying to make themselves as illegal as possible and force the government to commit acts then use those acts to blame the government.

Yung problem is, there are permits for some of the rallies, pero PGMA has tried to say that all permits are revoked.

In a "State of Emergency", civil rights, which includes the right to assembly and free speech, are not revoked... that only happens in Martial Law. Kaya nga they weren't able to stop the rally at Makati.

The opposition are working this for all they're worth... and this time, they actually have a point. The arrest and detainment of various opposition leaders without any solid evidence or charges being filed borders on the unconstitutional, and are not within the purview of Presidential powers under the "SOE", but are rather given as powers during "Martial Law".

The cabinet was at first defending these, but they changed their tune this morning. The president really isn't handling this situation well, and is "witch hunting".

If there was no "Conspiracy of the Far Left, Far Right and Opposition" before, there will be now. Heaven help us if they do succeed.

[EL Chicane]

Again, the root cause of it all (and I'm surprised nobody is castigating them) is this Magdalo group. If they never inserted themselves into the picture, the only eventful incident that would ever have taken place last February 24 would have been John Cena all bloodied in a cage match at the Araneta.

[niky]

Again, the root cause of it all (and I'm surprised nobody is castigating them) is this Magdalo group. If they never inserted themselves into the picture, the only eventful incident that would ever have taken place last February 24 would have been John Cena all bloodied in a cage match at the Araneta.

I'm still waiting to find out the truth behind all of this, and I'll want to know how powerful this push by the Magdalo group was supposed to be.

Isn't it convenient that some of them "escaped" a few months before the EDSA celebrations?

My cousin-in-law's husband is a classmate of many of the young officers in the Magdalo group. It's really hard to approach him and ask his opinion on all of this, as he was very close to some of them. His best man was one of those arrested. It's even possible that he might have been coerced to join if he didn't have a wife and kids to think about, but I like to think his ethical mettle is stronger than that.

It's hard to believe career officers would throw away their lives and futures (we're talking future generals here, not just grunts in uniform, mind you) on something like this. Maybe some of them actually believed they were doing something right. Maybe they were being manipulated by outside forces. But whatever the truth is, they destroyed their futures in those few days at Oakwood. If it was really Gringo who egged them on, he has a lot to answer for... to these men, and to their families.

At the moment, it's hard for me to believe they could gather enough support while in hiding to pose a serious threat to the government... though I admit this could happen. I'm waiting for the inquest to hear more on this.

Who cares about the WWE? Stupid lousy fake entertainment... (halatang hindi nakakuha ng tickets, no? )

[margaux]

Originally Posted by spiff
how else do you expect the philippine govt to control the mess theyr in right now?
i think whatever gloria is doing now should have been done 9 months ago.
way to go.. best decision shes made so far. i hope she survives this and everyone keeps their mouths shut already. stop complaining and start going to work

ummm, Sir, with all due respect, to whom are you pertaining to re "stop complaining"? tsikoteers who are voicing out their opinions? It's only disturbing for most of us since "I" am one of the people who goes at work and who has more than 1 job and working hard enough to live my own life. I do admit that before this SOE happened, everything was soooooooooooooooooo normal around me (well, this is my own opinion). Then suddenly there are checkpoints everywhere..... The only thing that scares me is when this will go straight to Martial Law. I mean just like what JUn_aka_Pekto said, what will happen to those innocent people who go out to work at night? It's also unfair then, ayt?

[nugundam93]

stop complaining and start going to work

but we are working. right now. heck, i work even 6th day if asked to do so. and i get taxed a lot.

compared to the rallyistas who just mess things up, economy included. bah. and they have the gall to complain later na bagsak ang peso, ayaw mag-invest ang mga foreign companies?

tinginingining nila. pagsasapakin ko silang lahat eh.

[margaux]

El_chicane, OT na yan.... yeah, I have work on Sundays.

[EL Chicane]

El_chicane, OT na yan.... yeah, I have work on Sundays.

Commercial break lang, hehe. Now back to our regular scheduled programming..... FIGHT!