Scandals in the First Family

[kuroy]

probe in a legal way dapat. dapat may kaukulang investigation ito

[mbt]

well, GMA has indicated her refusal to engage in a "lawful investigation" of this mess, by saying that she will not participate in a congressional probe even if she is subpoenaed... hehehe

[oldblue]

mazdamazda,

yes, i am quite sure that GMA cheated in the previous election, just as you seem sure that she didn't. hehehe. sorry, but that's how i feel. support the sitting president? even if she cheated? why should i support an usurper? ah, of course, the question is "but how do you know she is an usurper?" well, that's exactly what i'm asking her to do: speak up and explain her side of the story. if she can't do that, then i'll add two and two together.

anyway, it seems quite clear that our arguments are at a dead end for our own convictions, so i'll leave it at this.

let's look at it this way sir *mbt. if things are going well with us, gasoline

is still P15 to the liter, or diesel is P12. We can buy a lot in a P100 bill.

The exchange rate is P26 to $1. almost seems that we can watch a

movie or dine out every night of the week. would you pay attention to

this plot?

or let's take the opposite. you hate what GMA stands for.

even if she confesses, it wont matter bec. she's a corrupt dishonest

official. No compromise! But for instance, a major event took place.

It took all of us by surprise. The same angry mob that took to the streets

in EDSA3 was at it again but this time they are a hundred times more,

and deadlier. Riots erupted in almost every part of Manila. You and you

loved ones were trapped on opposite sides of the turmoil. The people

that had the same sentiments as you took the battle to another level.

And they dont recognize anymore who's a friend or who's a foe (pro-GMA

or anti-GMA). Distrust & tension filled the air. And up in the horizon,

the forces loyal to GMA are trying to control the situation but are having

difficulty bec. there's too many angry people in the streets. Would you

then wish that the president save you & your loved ones now?

Things could get worse, you know. And I'm just talkin' about a man-

made disaster.

[oldblue]

Sorry sir, I havn't heard the Garci tape, will download a copy ASAP .

So the money spent on the last elections just went down the drain...

yes & no. on the brighter side, the money spent on computerized machines

are still here, not liquid though. but still it's worth millions.

[mbt]

a doomsday scenario? on the other side of the coin, i could just as well paint a doomsday scenario for the philippines if the president and other officials are allowed to rape it freely. the only difference is when will doomsday come.

besides, what are you all haranguing about, i didn't say i want a people power. investigate if investigate, probe if probe, charge if charge (in court), impeach if impeach, resign if resign, do whatever is proper. people power is a last resort, not a first. and it doesn't just simply happen so easily.

[IceColdBeer]

Relax lang masyado namang violente yang iniisip mo

[BlueBimmer]

yes lets stay on the main topic here which is GMA's alleged cheating on the elections. not when the philippines becomes a political fallout hehe

[oldblue]

yes lets stay on the main topic here which is GMA's alleged cheating on the elections. not when the philippines becomes a political fallout hehe

am just looking at the bigger picture, sir.

a doomsday scenario? on the other side of the coin, i could just as well paint a doomsday scenario for the philippines if the president and other officials are allowed to rape it freely. the only difference is when will doomsday come.

I know your sentiments exactly. You feel like if we dont do anything or if
we ignore this, things could & will get worse. Right now, we, filipinos, are at the verge of losing our patience with this govt.

* 7.50 minimum fare for the commuters &
* E-vat as additional burden to the rising cost per liter of gasoline/diesel &
* increased taxes for the Filipino people to address the fiscal crisis &
* taxing the only group that is keeping us afloat (at least in the influx of dollars here), which are the OFWs

and some of us thinking that if GMA didnt cheat in the election, she would have lost. and these rising costs & burden to the people could have been averted. you know what? I agree.

Her being an economist is making us all suffer. Instead of seeking ways to make this country earn more on our productivity/outputs, she concentrates more on computing this & that, levying this expense to this & that. she uses
economics to economize and she economizes us rather than enrich us ! When I say enrich, I dont mean make us all Filipinos rich, but invest in our talents/skills/pride as world-class citizens. Make us her assets rather than treat us as expenses/liabilities of the Republic of the Philippines.

That's why economists & accountants are always on the sidelines of a successful businesses. Their purpose is to do the math. But leaders are born for a higher purpose. Leaders are miracle workers. A leader can go to another country and get investments, with only wits & words as collateral.
The same way as a leader can speak to her own people and appease the people with caring & encouraging words, and not with a well-accomplished balanced income vs. expense report or with "discount stubs" from Meralco, basic necessities, gasoline & taxes.


That's how I see it, it's not the corruption, it's not the cheating, it's not even gambling that's putting us all down. But its her assumed role. She claims she was blessed by God & by the Late Pope John Paul II. Maybe she is bec. it's a miracle to rise in a make believe revolution that depended too much on celebrities & singing & dancing. by all means follow the path of an annointed one, as was every charismatic leader in the bible. If we want an economist, we can hire one or even a whole dept.

But sad to say, I myself is slowly losing confidence in her as our God-appointed leader, but not the same reasons as yours, sir *mbt. But I'm still hoping. And for that matter, I rest my case.

[Hero]

ah so against GMA pla si oldblue..kasi nalilito na ako sa dami ng sinabi eh.. ala eh parang cong. manik manaog eh.. the discussions here are sounding like what is happening in congress..
for purposes of making this the 2nd longest thread ever..i shall now participate once again..

the actions taken by the govt in this situation undoubtedly scream guilt.. it reflects on how they manage things past and present which is poorly.. it has adopted a fickle minded policy much to the dismay of investors.. it only has concentrated on face value political theatrics ever since taking over erap now i wonder who is the real actor here.. a loyalty check has been conducted all local govt officials have been called to malacanang.. the buzz among them is that many are planning to change their affiliation amidst threats by the woman on tape to unleash a power so great all those who oppose will perish...

btw anybody doing the fvr hello dolly ringtone?..his singing is so freaky its like a DOM singing to a young...

[BlueBimmer]

the buzz among them is that many are planning to change their affiliation amidst threats by the woman on tape to unleash a power so great all those who oppose will perish...

anu yan martial law? tsktsk

[baiskee]

Relax pre. It's not the end of the world if GMA stays in power.

yep, it's not the end of the world...ako pa, punong-puno ako ng pag-asa.

kaya lang, ayoko talaga yung ginagago ako eh...

"you can not please everybody"

sabi nga sa kanta ni bitoy. "kung gusto mo ng pangit, wag mo na kaming isabit"

[yebo]

let's look at it this way sir *mbt. if things are going well with us, gasoline

is still P15 to the liter, or diesel is P12. We can buy a lot in a P100 bill.

The exchange rate is P26 to $1. almost seems that we can watch a

movie or dine out every night of the week. would you pay attention to

this plot?

sorry but this part of your argument does not hold water.

first, the price of gasoline and diesel is due to world oil prices, not because of gma. the VAT law does not take effect till July, so it has nothing to do with the present price of gasoline and diesel either.

second, the P26/1US$ exchange rate was not yesterday, it was 1997. i think you have forgotten the asian financial crisis. the exchange rate went up to P55/$1 in 1997, not during the last few weeks.

so, we are not angry at gma because our P100 can't buy much anymore.

we are angry at gma because she cheated the elections. i for one don't want a liar for a president, and much much less a thief and a cheat.

[IceColdBeer]

Joke time muna... The latest good one: There are reptiles in Malacañang. May aSAWA, may ANAKonda at may BAYAWak pa! Beware!

[oldblue]

sorry but this part of your argument does not hold water.

first, the price of gasoline and diesel is due to world oil prices, not because of gma. the VAT law does not take effect till July, so it has nothing to do with the present price of gasoline and diesel either.

second, the P26/1US$ exchange rate was not yesterday, it was 1997. i think you have forgotten the asian financial crisis. the exchange rate went up to P55/$1 in 1997, not during the last few weeks.

so, we are not angry at gma because our P100 can't buy much anymore.

we are angry at gma because she cheated the elections. i for one don't want a liar for a president, and much much less a thief and a cheat.

I for 1 dont want to comment anymore coz I already gave my word to rest my case. But if you dont mind me askin', what compelled you to believe that GMA is indeed a liar, a thief & a cheat? If you will visit other pinoy forums, or particularly the tech-inclined ones, they still believe that a tape can be fabricated or faked with the kind of technology that we have today.
for all we know, it's that Gloria mascot's voice (the mainstay in that ABS-CBN sitcom) that was on the tape. or it could be anybody with a ventriloquist skill? The courts, even American courts, dont accept it as evidence due to its tamperable nature. But why are you so sure, so confident that GMA did indeed cheat?

That's why I took into context the above "what if". If there was some other underlying reason for you to believe in the dishonest nature of our President other than the tape revelation.

Me, kase I regret having to judge ERap last 2001. When I was watching the impeachment trial, I got so angry the same way as any of us did. But when the envelope was opened after overthrowing him, it turned out that we were all wrong. And then came the day, when he was presented to Camp Crame (from his house in N. Ghills) and almost treated like a criminal.
I FELT SO SORRY for him bec. he was once my President. I could feel
the pain that those people in EDSA3 felt. From a very respectable figure, to a charismatic leader to the poor & neglected, to behind bars. There was a time that I hated the media for even airing that and almost causing civil war.

Erap's charisma is like that of a baby you come home to every night. Your tensions, tiredness, pain, pressure from work all goes away when you see your baby smile or laugh or even become playful. That's why he was so well-loved by the poor. His powerful words was healing enough to relieve them of their poverty-stricken life, at least for the moment. He had the qualities of a very good leader, and he could have well stirred us into the 21st century. Appeasing/pleasing the poor is a very important role in a Filipino President's term.

so again, what if again, we are just overreacting again to this present media-driven circus? what if we are wrong?

[mazdamazda]

Me, kase I regret having to judge ERap last 2001. When I was watching the impeachment trial, I got so angry the same way as any of us did. But when the envelope was opened after overthrowing him, it turned out that we were all wrong. And then came the day, when he was presented to Camp Crame (from his house in N. Ghills) and almost treated like a criminal.
I FELT SO SORRY for him bec. he was once my President. I could feel
the pain that those people in EDSA3 felt. From a very respectable figure, to a charismatic leader to the poor & neglected, to behind bars. There was a time that I hated the media for even airing that and almost causing civil war.

so again, what if again, we are just overreacting again to this present media-driven circus? what if we are wrong?

My exact sentiments... we already should have matured from the past "people powers". I was was one those who went to EDSA II - but reflecting now, I don't think that it was the right thing to do (since we already assumed that he his guilty even though his trial is still on-going).

We are all saying that we shouldn't judge a book by its cover... but isn't that what most are doing right now? Look at the Jacko case... everyone presumed that he was guilty and yet he was acquited.

That's why economists & accountants are always on the sidelines of a successful businesses. Their purpose is to do the math. But leaders are born for a higher purpose. Leaders are miracle workers. A leader can go to another country and get investments, with only wits & words as collateral.

it has adopted a fickle minded policy much to the dismay of investors.. it only has concentrated on face value political theatrics ever since taking over erap now i wonder who is the real actor here..

OT

Investors you say? That is old school thinking! Please the foreign investors to come in here... exploit our labor market... then bring back their earnings to their home countries once they are done! This looks very tempting & promising (e.g. China's boom growth) but should the bubble burst this is VERY disastrous (remember the Financial crisis of the late 90s?).

If you do research on GMA's initiatives & accomplishments... you'll notice that she if focusing on the development of our undertapped SMEs (which employs 70% of the labor force) & agricultural self-sustenance. Around P25B was allocated for the financing of SMEs for 2004.

[mazdamazda]

This is the gray matter that am talking about... different shades of gray to be precise.

15) Control of the Supreme Court and inferior courts.

As I said hawak ni GMA ang military at ang korte, sa tingin mo ba sino sa kanila magbibigay ng subpoena? They can do anything... Kuha mo?

But she does not control Congress which is the only body that can remove her from office.

As Paragraph 2 of Section 3 clearly says, the complaint must be verified i.e. deemed sufficient in form and substance, in order for the House to accept it as basis to initiate legal proceedings against the errant official.

...

In plain terms, the opposition is too chicken to validate their own accusations of wrongdoing. They are all too ready to sling mud under the safety of the media spotlight, but refuse to take advantage of the legal means available to them. Sammy Ong once said he was ready to die for his revelations, but instead scooted off and hid in the San Carlos seminary amidst much media frenzy (and much traffic along EDSA). Now, I know that we could all use a better administration than the current one, but is this the kind of opposition that you would want to take seriously?

Seems that no one in the "opposition" is listening to this. They've pulled all the strings except the LEGAL one which is to file a complaint against GMA.

[IceColdBeer]

Kanya kanyang strategy na lang yan. Sa Congress naman kasi majority pa din ang administration.