sana hindi n lang tyo pinaglaban ng ating mga bayani!!

[Alpha_One]

Hmmm. Why not? While studying there, I commuted to school and college everyday when we more than had the means to drive ourselves. Of course, I liked mingling with the regular folks. The only time I drove there was whenever my sister came home from UP Diliman every Friday night and every Sunday afternoon when we drove her back to her dorm in the campus.

I can relate to that. I can very much afford to have a car to drive around, but do the public transport instead. In UP, having a "non-rich" image helps, and I want to preserve that. Besides, I find it better to be sleeping in a bus than be running out of patience in traffic.

[uls]

Dati ang A class nasa hundreds of millions lang. Now the wealth of the A class grew to billions (some even reaching the 1 billion USD mark).

Now A class is reserved to the billionaires, many multi millionaires who used to belong to the A class now drop down 1 notch to upper B.

So everyone else below that also drop down 1 notch.

Many filipinos who were once at or a little above poverty level are now below poverty level. Many who used to send their kids to private school transferred them to public school. Many sold assets, gave up things they can hardly afford, many basically went into survival mode.

the population of CD classes swelled coz the cost of living has gone up.

Now u can no longer group the poorest of the poor in D class coz D class is employed mass labor. So E class had to be created.

[uls]

Here's the difference between a really rich guy and a not so rich guy:

Rich guy drives a luxury car. Not so rich guy also drives a luxury car.

Rich guy has a big house. Not so rich guy also has a big house.

Rich guy acquires the car and the house with returns he got from investments.

Not so rich guy acquired those things thru loans from a bank.

Rich guy has his money working for him.

Not so rich guy has to work hard for his money so he can pay for those luxuries.

That's why many in the middle class get stuck. Thats what that Rich Dad Poor Dad author was saying.

It all comes down to ur philosophy in life. Would u make sacrifices muna and save up? Or u rather experience the good life agad?

[oldblue]

Here's the difference between a really rich guy and a not so rich guy:

Rich guy drives a luxury car. Not so rich guy also drives a luxury car.

Rich guy has a big house. Not so rich guy also has a big house.

Rich guy acquires the car and the house with returns he got from investments.

Not so rich guy acquired those things thru loans from a bank.

Rich guy has his money working for him.

Not so rich guy has to work hard for his money so he can pay for those luxuries.

That's why many in the middle class get stuck. Thats what that Rich Dad Poor Dad author was saying.

It all comes down to ur philosophy in life. Would u make sacrifices muna and save up? Or u rather experience the good life agad?

right on!

[BlueBimmer]

im with the 1st philosophy, been saving up ever since feels good too when you look back and see your patience pay off hehe

[johnpt]

im out of the country, but im always affected to what's happening in the philippines....political disorder, economy downward that leads to unemployment and poverty, poverty teaching people to steal leading a threat to your security......
ang gulo no? haaay naku!!! minsan naiisip ko n sana di n lnag tyo pinaglaban ng ating mga bayani sa mga amerikano...para gaya ng guam at hawaii, maunlad . pede p tayo pabalikbalik sa mainland u.s at madaling makapagtrabaho. sabihin mong may threat man sa u.s sa mg terrorist, eh ganun din ang situation....alyado tayo kasi nila.
kasi ala ring nangyari.... sila rin halos nakinabang sa mga natural resources natin at tayo ngayon at naghihingalo.

hay naku bayan minamahal!!!!

this is one of the stupidest posts ever! mga bayani natin binayad kanilang buhay para sa mga kapwa pilipino, para sa kalayaan ng pilipinas. to suggest to be under foreign rule as 2nd class citizens speaks of lack of national pride and dignity. this reflects what lacks most in filipino society, the root cause of the Philippine's troubles... no love of country. di bale nang maghirap ako kung ako naman ang nagpapatakbo ng sarili kong buhay kaysa naman maging maginhawa bilang alila.

[miLes]

this is one of the stupidest posts ever! mga bayani natin binayad kanilang buhay para sa mga kapwa pilipino, para sa kalayaan ng pilipinas. to suggest to be under foreign rule as 2nd class citizens speaks of lack of national pride and dignity. this reflects what lacks most in filipino society, the root cause of the Philippine's troubles... no love of country. di bale nang maghirap ako kung ako naman ang nagpapatakbo ng sarili kong buhay kaysa naman maging maginhawa bilang alila.

the fact that yuichi posted that shows his concern enough, im no one to question the sacrifice of those who bled and died fighting for our freedom since i never get to endure what they went through but i think we filipinos have too much pride in our hearts, sometimes its better to just sit in the corner and learn as much as we can from those who prosper, then, when we've learned enough, can we now develop our own national identity..

there's a flaw in your statement:
"di bale nang maghirap ako kung ako naman ang nagpapatakbo ng sarili kong buhay kaysa naman maging maginhawa bilang alila"

we are all servants in some other way, it might not be directly visible or you may not be aware of it but we are all serving someone, if you're a family man you're serving your family, me, since im an employee, im serving my company and there's nothing wrong or remotely despisable in serving someone while living a prosperous life, right

[johnpt]

there's a flaw in your statement:
"di bale nang maghirap ako kung ako naman ang nagpapatakbo ng sarili kong buhay kaysa naman maging maginhawa bilang alila"

we are all servants in some other way, it might not be directly visible or you may not be aware of it but we are all serving someone, if you're a family man you're serving your family, me, since im an employee, im serving my company and there's nothing wrong or remotely despisable in serving someone while living a prosperous life, right

i guess you consider serving your family the work of an "alila" as well as working for a company automatically labels you an "alila". what would you call a race of people if with their deeply rooted beleifs and cultures with their colorful history living in their ancestral land not be allowed to govern amongst themselves?

[yuichi]

this is one of the stupidest posts ever! mga bayani natin binayad kanilang buhay para sa mga kapwa pilipino, para sa kalayaan ng pilipinas. to suggest to be under foreign rule as 2nd class citizens speaks of lack of national pride and dignity. this reflects what lacks most in filipino society, the root cause of the Philippine's troubles... no love of country. di bale nang maghirap ako kung ako naman ang nagpapatakbo ng sarili kong buhay kaysa naman maging maginhawa bilang alila.

stupid if stupid ,but brother....reality bites!!!IMHO...being under foreign rules is not bad as long as we all eat twice a day, have a descent shelter and clothing. can u say that we are independent? for me its a big ..NO!!! who is dictating our government at the back of their heads?....americans!! we are not even safe when it comes to international security coz we are allies.
so whats the difference ?
im not a pro-US freak!!! but lets just face it...we are very americanized!!! punta kayo sa ibatibang bansa sa asya at malalaman nyo gano kalaki epekto ng mga kano s kultura ntin ...eg is the ther fact na billiard is so popular in our country not snooker is a big evidence.

[johnpt]

stupid if stupid ,but brother....reality bites!!!IMHO...being under foreign rules is not bad as long as we all eat twice a day, have a descent shelter and clothing. can u say that we are independent? for me its a big ..NO!!! who is dictating our government at the back of their heads?....americans!! we are not even safe when it comes to international security coz we are allies.
so whats the difference ?
im not a pro-US freak!!! but lets just face it...we are very americanized!!! punta kayo sa ibatibang bansa sa asya at malalaman nyo gano kalaki epekto ng mga kano s kultura ntin ...eg is the ther fact na billiard is so popular in our country not snooker is a big evidence.

does that mean the philippines should stop trying to come up with solutions to its problems and just have the US take over? i dont think so. so philippine culture has a lot of chinese, spanish and american flavor to it whats your point?

[yuichi]

[QUOTE=johnpt]does that mean the philippines should stop trying to come up with solutions to its problems and just have the US take over? i dont think so. so philippine culture has a lot of chinese, spanish and american flavor to it whats your point?[/Q

we alraedy tried and still trying every solutions, been into martial law, had people power(s), coup attempts, chacha,etc....but to no success!trial and error kasi gobyerno natin!

i know the fact that we have "so many influences" as u've mentioned.... but i wanna ask u? what brand/style of clothes do u wear now?ur shoes,the kind of music,reading materials,sports,favorite movies and tv shows?what accent in english do us speak? admit it, americans has the biggest influence in ur daliy living..ive been to china,japan, HK, singapore,malaysia,indoesia,thailand,korea, india,dubai, saudi arabia, egypt, israel and to a few more countries...and yet ive never seen a single country except phil, HK and a little bit in singapore who were so much influenced by americans or british.
Hk 4 eg just regain independence in the late 90's... after being under foreign rule 4 more than 100 yrs, 4 they know mainland china, that time in a political dilemma, can't rule them.. but look what the britons did to them, they r now asia's leading business port. and u can obviously see the effect of the britons to their lives...very easy to distinguish an HK chinese to a mainlander or to an fil-chinese...even without hearing them speak their dialect.same as filipinos from other asian people..though ur physical features r same as the thais, malays and indons....but give me few minutes to observe them, i can tell who is the pinoy among these crowd.

[johnpt]

[QUOTE=yuichi]

does that mean the philippines should stop trying to come up with solutions to its problems and just have the US take over? i dont think so. so philippine culture has a lot of chinese, spanish and american flavor to it whats your point?[/Q

we alraedy tried and still trying every solutions, been into martial law, had people power(s), coup attempts, chacha,etc....but to no success!trial and error kasi gobyerno natin!

i know the fact that we have "so many influences" as u've mentioned.... but i wanna ask u? what brand/style of clothes do u wear now?ur shoes,the kind of music,reading materials,sports,favorite movies and tv shows?what accent in english do us speak? admit it, americans has the biggest influence in ur daliy living..ive been to china,japan, HK, singapore,malaysia,indoesia,thailand,korea, india,dubai, saudi arabia, egypt, israel and to a few more countries...and yet ive never seen a single country except phil, HK and a little bit in singapore who were so much influenced by americans or british.
Hk 4 eg just regain independence in the late 90's... after being under foreign rule 4 more than 100 yrs, 4 they know mainland china, that time in a political dilemma, can't rule them.. but look what the britons did to them, they r now asia's leading business port. and u can obviously see the effect of the britons to their lives...very easy to distinguish an HK chinese to a mainlander or to an fil-chinese...even without hearing them speak their dialect.same as filipinos from other asian people..though ur physical features r same as the thais, malays and indons....but give me few minutes to observe them, i can tell who is the pinoy among these crowd.

we all know about the many problems the philippines has and the road our nation has traveled to address all its problems. but still i do not agree that it would have been better off under foreign rule. financially maybe we would have been more stable but for the price of not having our own freedom (which our heroes paid for with their lives) and identity it would not be been worth it. Something intangible like freedom to which people would give their lives for surely is worth more than money.

I agree with your point about filipinos being westernized. I never refuted the fact that western culture has a big influence in our culture. However, your point that since filipinos are westernized therefore they should have the west rule them anyway does not make sense. we all have the right to practice and beleive in whatever we wish to even if it comes across as not being true to our roots as long as it is not against the law. kung gusto ni Juan de la Cruz manamit na parang Amerikano o Hapon o bumbay o ano man e karapatan niya yon. Ibig sabihin ba eh di dapat ipadala natin siya sa Amerika, Japan o India gusto man o ayaw niya? Hindi siyempre.

[Jun aka Pekto]

While I think it was right for the Philippines to be independent......

Puerto Rico is one such place where such discussions really are a factor.....

As of 1993:
46.3% voted for statehood
48.6% voted to remain a Commonwealth
4.4% voted for full independence

As off 1998:
0.06% voted to remain a Comonwealth
0.29% voted for "free association with the US (between Commonwealth and independence)
46.49% voted for full statehood
2.54% voted for full independence
50.30% voted "None Of The Above"........... WTF?

Here

[johnpt]

While I think it was right for the Philippines to be independent......

Puerto Rico is one such place where such discussions really are a factor.....

As of 1993:
46.3% voted for statehood
48.6% voted to remain a Commonwealth
4.4% voted for full independence

As off 1998:
0.06% voted to remain a Comonwealth
0.29% voted for "free association with the US (between Commonwealth and independence)
46.49% voted for full statehood
2.54% voted for full independence
50.30% voted "None Of The Above"........... WTF?

Here

had this poll/election been done in 1898 the results would have been different IMO.

[oldblue]

what we have here is misplaced idealism. we despise American influence and yet we all act like one. we cringe on the very issue of colonial mentality and yet we cant do away with crab mentality.

[Jun aka Pekto]

what we have here is misplaced idealism. we despise American influence and yet we all act like one. we cringe on the very issue of colonial mentality and yet we cant do away with crab mentality.

To get rid of crab mentality you first have to know where it originated. I personally don't know where it originated (if I did I'd be a professor somewhere). But, I do know it's been around even before the Spanish came.

Rival chieftains waged war on each other. When the Spanish came, they allied themselves with certain tribes to subdue other tribes and then conquered the Philippines wholesale.

Then, during the Philippine War of Independence against Spain, it looked like the Pinoys would be united at last. But, even with a common goal, it's not to be. The ugly head of crab mentality reared itself as shown by the the rivalry between Bonifacio and Aguinaldo where one or both were jealous of each others' growing influence.

Right afterwards came the Philippine-American War. Here too crab mentality showed among the Pinoys as shown by the death of Gen Luna by the hands of his countrymen, again due to intrigue and jealousy. The Americans also exploited the lack of unity among Pinoys by being allied with other Pinoy factions like the Macabebe scouts who played a big part in Aguinaldo's capture.

When the Japanese came, even they were able to exploit the disunity of Pinoys as shown by the Kempetai or, is that Makapili?

Looking at past history, crab mentality has been around a long, long time. So long as some Pinoys can't stand to see their fellow Pinoys progress, it'll be around for a long time.

How to fix or eliminate it? I don't know. Like I said, if I knew the answer, I'd be a professor somewhere. I do know that from observing other Pinoys who were born and grew up here.... Once a certain level of satisfaction/comfort/contentment is reached, they didn't care whether one is richer or more famous than they and crab mentality ceased to exist, at least among them.

Edit: Add also the snitch who showed the Americans the secret path to Tirad Pass (to the same paragraph with Aguinaldo's capture).

[explorer]

what we have here is misplaced idealism. we despise American influence and yet we all act like one. we cringe on the very issue of colonial mentality and yet we cant do away with crab mentality.

very funny isn't it? people want to go forward and have a stable government...but they are just looking at a temporary solutions and most of their alibi are for their own covenience...they want something more but wouldn't even sacrifce a little for the benefit of the majority.

[oldblue]

To get rid of crab mentality you first have to know where it originated

Indonesians, Malaysians? the 2nd & 3rd ancestors. am not familiar with their cultures eh. how are modern indonesians and malayans ba?

Chinese? even before the Spanish era, the chinese heavily-traded and assimilated with the natives.
and by looking at some of our crabby heroes, most had some chinese blood in them.



ayoko na! hehehe baka mapunta pa kung san 'to.

[scarab]

ayoko na! hehehe baka mapunta pa kung san 'to.

....hehehe, another popcorn thread perhaps?

[Jun aka Pekto]

Indonesians, Malaysians? the 2nd & 3rd ancestors. am not familiar with their cultures eh. how are modern indonesians and malayans ba?

Chinese? even before the Spanish era, the chinese heavily-traded and assimilated with the natives.
and by looking at some of our crabby heroes, most had some chinese blood in them.



ayoko na! hehehe baka mapunta pa kung san 'to.

I doubt it. Most Chinese I've met here have a tradition for work ethics and for quietly building a fortune (either by saving or having 2 jobs). I've never seen them badmouth another Chinese, not even when a lithe, gorgeous Chinese girl walked in with a caucasian boyfriend at a chinese restaurant.

By contrast, while having lunch at the Pilipino Store..... A young pretty Pinay (who also spoke her english with a perfect US accent) walked in with her white GI boyfriend. The mumbling and hostile glances that followed were deafening and a few customers even left with half-eaten lunches. My wife and I just just looked at each other and shook our heads, wondering what's wrong with these people.