Russia's 'invasion and occupation' of Ukrainian territory.

[Ry_Tower]

If only Putin had a little more patience then maybe he would've been able to hasten the end of the rule of zelensky even though he was elected only a year before the invasion.

Prior to the Russian military incision last year, zelensky's shaky administration was plagued w/ accusations of wholesale corruption. In fact, Ukraine was seen to be as the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe. The Ukrainian president's approval rating even hit less than 30% before 2020.

Kremlin should've just Inserted some destabilizers in kyiv and do some intensive black propaganda and then install a president covertly friendly to him. After all, creating internal strife is where the fsb excels at.

Nowadays, Volodomyr's approval rating is at a soaring 91%. I guess one could morbidly say the russo-ukrainian war was the best thing that happened to his flailing political career.

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Indeed the jokester got the last laugh it seems.

[tsupermario]

Kremlin should've just Inserted some destabilizers in kyiv and do some intensive black propaganda and then install a president covertly friendly to him. After all, creating internal strife is where the fsb excels at.

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putin was fooled by the FSB. blamed FSB agents for army’s failure in ukraine

[tsupermario]

An agency whose domain includes internal security in Russia as well as espionage in the former Soviet states, the FSB has spent decades spying on Ukraine, attempting to co-opt its institutions, paying off officials and working to impede any perceived drift toward the West. No aspect of the FSB’s intelligence mission outside Russia was more important than burrowing into all levels of Ukrainian society.

And yet, the agency failed to incapacitate Ukraine’s government, foment any semblance of a pro-Russian groundswell or interrupt President Volodymyr Zelensky’s hold on power. Its analysts either did not fathom how forcefully Ukraine would respond, Ukrainian and Western officials said, or did understand but couldn’t or wouldn’t convey such sober assessments to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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Extensive polls conducted for the FSB show that large segments of Ukraine’s population were prepared to resist Russian encroachment, and that any expectation that Russian forces would be greeted as liberators was unfounded. Even so, officials said, the FSB continued to feed the Kremlin rosy assessments that Ukraine’s masses would welcome the arrival of Russia’s military and the restoration of Moscow-friendly rule.
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… the FSB championed a war plan premised on the idea that a lightning assault on Kyiv would topple the government in a matter of days. Zelensky would be dead, captured or in exile, creating a political vacuum for FSB agents to fill.

Instead, FSB operatives who at one point had reached the outskirts of Kyiv had to retreat alongside Russian forces, Ukrainian security officials said. Rather than presiding over the formation of a new government in Kyiv, officials said, the FSB now faces difficult questions in Moscow about what its long history of operations against Ukraine — and the large sums that financed them — accomplished.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e-ukraine-war/

[Dr.Kamiya]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCqTgNukJlU

[uls]

^^^

25 minutes of talking and he can't explain why Germany seems hesitant to provide all out support to ukraine

[Egan101]

^^^

25 minutes of talking and he can't explain why Germany seems hesitant to provide all out support to ukraine

I guess Germany is not too eager to find itself in another war with Russia. In WW2, the Germans were brutal in its campaign against Russia and Russia willingly returned it when the Germans retreated.


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[uls]

I guess Germany is not too eager to find itself in another war with Russia. In WW2, the Germans were brutal in its campaign against Russia and Russia willingly returned it when the Germans retreated.


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it's more on Germany looking into the future

they don't want to sever ties with Russia that's why they're hesitant in sending lethal weapons to ukraine

they need to look like they're cooperating with the US by sending stuff to ukraine but they need to hold back so as not to anger russia too much

keep in mind (before the invasion) things were going well with Germany and Russia



the design was -- the German economy will be powered by cheap Russian gas

it was the perfect partnership... and the US hated it

then this war happened at nasira ang plano

but Germany is still hoping after this war, pwede ma-rekindle ang relationship with russia

that's why Germany is behaving in this strange manner

on one hand, they're part of NATO and obliged to help ukraine fight russia

on the other hand, they don't wanna help fight russia too much coz they still wanna be friends later

[tsupermario]

Wandel durch Handel

mentioned here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCqTgNukJlU

^^^

25 minutes of talking and he can't explain why Germany seems hesitant to provide all out support to ukraine

turns out he was making sense

[tsupermario]

[emoji28]

[tsupermario]

germany: trade with russia = peace

russian invasion of ukraine = russia -> biggest threat to european security

poland: told you so

The war in Ukraine has exposed the truth about Russia. Those who refused to see that Putin’s state has imperialist tendencies today have to face the fact that in Russia, the demons of the 19th and 20th centuries were revived: nationalism, colonialism, and totalitarianism. But the war in Ukraine has also exposed the truth about Europe. Many European leaders allowed themselves to be lured by Vladimir Putin and today are in a shock.

The return of Russian imperialism should come as no surprise. Russia had been rebuilding its position slowly for almost two decades right under the eye of the West. Meanwhile, the West went for a geopolitical slumber instead of maintaining reasonable vigilance. It preferred not to see the increasing problem rather than face it in advance.

Europe today is in such a situation not because it was insufficiently integrated, but because it refused to listen to the voice of truth. The voice has been coming from Poland for many years. Poland has no monopoly on the truth, but in matters of relations with Russia we are simply far more experienced than others.

[EQAddict]

The Nord stream 2 pipeline was destroyed by the Russians themselves so they can claim force majeur in their contracts.

The swedish and norwegian navies showed 2 russians warships in the area when it happened.

This war is the BEST thing that ever happened to Germany.

1) weaning themselves of russian energy = no more ass kissing because of blackmail!

2) doubling defense spending to give the middle finger to russia and her bootlickers

3) sending older weapon systems that are about to be decomissioned anways and watch them tear the Russians a new arsehole

4) see Nato strengthened, revitalized and refocused.

5) we are seeing the brutality and true nature of Russia. Externally and internally. The murders of oligarchs who oppose Putin. The silencing of dissent. The blatant lies and blackmail. Threats of nuclear war from everyone in their propaganda machine, to their 2nd in command, to members of their Duma. The murder of civilians and the infrastructure terrorization of Ukranian civilians. Glad to know who here is allied with them and their values.




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[Athrunzala]

The Nord stream 2 pipeline was destroyed by the Russians themselves so they can claim force majeur in their contracts.

This does not make sense. The Russians stand to profit billions of dollars from the continuous sale of their natural gas through the Nord Stream pipeline. So they burned their own cash cow?

[EQAddict]

It wasnt operational. It was never certified . And because of the war...the Germans were never going to use it (they are pivoting to other energy suppliers and sources). Nord Stream 2 had Germany in Russia's energy grip and both sides new it. That was the calculus of Putin. And he was wrong... And now Germany is out of it's grip

And the Russians blew up it up to:

1) claim force majeur so they wouldnt be held to financial penalties in their contracts (remember they were the ones who turned the taps off and blackmailed the west)

2) show the other intelligence services and govts that their own infrastructure (i.e. pipelines, internet undersea cabling, etc) isnt safe . Again...the Russians have shown a clear strategy to destroy energy infrastructure in Ukraine and even hold hostage nuclear power plants. Or maybe they are being forced i to these tactics because of the evil west . Yeah...im shelling a nuclear powerplant because the Americans made me do it.

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[Athrunzala]

Nord Stream 2 had Germany in Russia's energy grip and both sides new it. That was the calculus of Putin. And he was wrong... And now Germany is out of it's grip

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and this is what I'm hearing is the reason why it was the West that blew up the Nord Stream pipeline: to make Germany out of the grip of Russia...

[uls]

from NY Times

not rightwing media

Investigating the Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage - The New York Times



yeah russia destroyed the pipelines they invested billions to build

then spend money repairing

makes sense

[uls]

the Germans prefer using russian gas

it's cheaper and they don't need to build LNG storage facilities

they were forced to end dependence on russian gas and import LNG coz of pressure from the US and other NATO members

[EQAddict]

the Germans prefer using russian gas

it's cheaper and they don't need to build LNG storage facilities

they were forced to end dependence on russian gas and import LNG coz of pressure from the US and other NATO members

Germany ended the energy blackmail of Russia when Russia invaded Ukraine.

And they (and the rest of the world) are in a better place for it.



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[uls]

Germany cannot make its own decisions

the US owns Germany

[EQAddict]

Nope. The Germans voted out long before the pipeline was bombed. They voted with their arms deliveries to ukraine and their pivot to other energy suppliers. Again timelines.


Besides even if you blow up 1 section of the pipeline..it will just take a couple of months at the most to fix it and at a fraction of the cost. So no...blowing it up is not a strategy to get the Germans off Russian gas. Its weak, easily fixed and disingenuous. Once again that pipeline was NEVER operational...gas was never paid for that flowed thru it...heck even the Russians are not even complaining it was blown up. Go figure.

On the other hand..the Russians blowing up the pipeline that they knew would NEVER be used anymore hits 2 birds with one stone as i had previously mentioned.

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[EQAddict]

They still blew it up.

And no one is gonna use it.




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