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    Prophecy of St Malachy
    http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

    When I read "The Year of Three Popes" by Peter Hebblethwaite (about the events of 1978 which saw the death of Paul VI, the election and death of John Paul I, and then the election of John Paul II) he mentions the spate of editorials in the Osservatore Romano and the spate of letters to the editor in the Times of London at the time of the conclaves about what the mottoes attributed to the dead pope or the next pope by St Malachy in his prophecies might mean. Enthralled, I went to the library and looked through the microfilm of the Times to read the letters myself. And then I tried to track down a copy of the prophecies. I have them reproduced below, as well as an explanation of them from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

    The prevailing view today is that they are elaborate forgeries, probably perpretrated by a school of Jesuits in the 1600s. This is based on the clear relation of the mottos to the various popes until that period, and the need to find oblique references (such as the motto of the Pope's home diocese) to make the particular motto fit the particular pope. The inclusion of anti-popes would also appear to militate against the authenticity of the prophecies.

    Nevertheless, as each new conclave comes and goes, people start to become a bit jittery about them (since the list runs out soon!).

    Apparently, in 1958, before the Conclave that would elect Pope John XXIII, Cardinal Spellman of New York hired a boat, filled it with sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber River, to show that he was "pastor et nautor", the motto attibuted to the next Pope in the prophecies!

    I think they are a bit of fun, and the semantic exercise of trying to fit the motto to the Pope that goes on in letters to the editor around the world is great reading!

    According to the prophecy, the next Pope will be the second last Pope Gloria Olivæ ("Glory of the Olives"). Will it be someone from the Mediterranean (Italy, France, Spain)? Or will it be perhaps someone with olive skin (say, from Latin America)?
    (From the Catholic Encyclopedia 1913 edition)

    The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy. In 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to the pope, Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel. While at Rome, he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Church until the end of time. The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.

    These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future popes from Celestine II, who was elected in the year 1130, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles. Those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies have succeeded in discovering some trait, allusion, point, or similitude in their application to the individual popes, either as to their country, their name, their coat of arms or insignia, their birth-place, their talent or learning, the title of their cardinalate, the dignities which they held etc. For example, the prophecy concerning Urban VIII is Lilium et Rosa (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a fleur-de-lis; he had three bees emblazoned on his escutcheon, and the bees gather honey from the lilies and roses. Again, the name accords often with some remarkable and rare circumstance in the pope's career; thus Peregrinus apostolicus (pilgrim pope), which designates Pius VI, appears to be verified by his journey when pope into Germany, by his long career as pope, and by his expatriation from Rome at the end of his pontificate. Those who have lived and followed the course of events in an intelligent manner during the pontificates of Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X cannot fail to be impressed with the titles given to each by the prophecies of St. Malachy and their wonderful appropriateness: Crux de Cruce (Cross from a Cross) Pius IX; Lumen in cælo (Light in the Sky) Leo XIII; Ignis ardens (Burning Fire) Pius X. There is something more than coincidence in the designations given to these three popes so many hundred years before their time. We need not have recourse either to the family names, armorial bearings or cardinalatial titles, to see the fitness of their designations as given in the prophecies. The afflictions and crosses of Pius IX were more than fell to the lot of his predecessors; and the more aggravating of these crosses were brought on by the House of Savoy whose emblem was a cross. Leo XIII was a veritable luminary of the papacy. The present pope is truly a burning fire of zeal for the restoration of all things to Christ.

    The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.
    The Prophecies


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    Pope #263 John XXIII (1958-1963)
    Pastor et Nauta
    (pastor and marine)
    Hist.: prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, a marine city, home of the gondolas

    Pope # 264 Paul VI (1963-1978)
    Flos florum
    (flower of flowers)
    Hist.: his arms displayed three lilies.

    Pope #265 John Paul I (1978)
    De medietate Lunæ
    (of the half of the moon)
    Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Agardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on August 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...

    Pope #266 John Paul II (1978-2005)
    De labore Solis
    (of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
    Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.


    Pope #267 ???
    Gloria olivæ
    The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order.


    Pope #268 ???
    In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
    (In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)
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    its d end of d world! kelan kaya yan..magnjoy na kau

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    again..my stand on these prophecies is that i believe they undermine the power of God.
    only God knows.

    and if someone or a group of people tell us these prophesies, they play "god"...which, for me, is a big no no.

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    I too don't believe in such but its wise to be prepared all the time. Nostradamus, St. Malachy, Madam Auring and others are just doing what they do best...and thats to make hula or to prophesies. There is only one true prophet that I believe...and we all know who he is.
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    hmmm

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    There are predictions and there are prophecies... pero yeah, only God knows.
    besides prophecies naman na a-avert eh.

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    sounds fake to me. anybody who claims to predict the future better be ready to be prove his predictions or be labelled a fool.

    besides, why is it that the predictions are deliberately couched in vague terms and obscure vocabulary? I mean, really, go directly to the point if you see things clearly. sheesh!

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    i was able to watch the imbestigador and MGB last sat, and that caught me and goose bumps all over freaks me out, dami ko pa gsto gawin, i text my fren nga about the soon 2nd coming suppose to be, i still have to fulfill so much before the 2nd coming, una have family, get rich, travel the world.
    pero sabi nga works of god could be copied and be made more tasteful by devil, kaya we should pray to God that he pave way for us to be in his hand

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    Eclipse on Pope’s birth and funeral ominous?
    http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...50408top6.html

    By Arnold B. Bañares, Contributor

    Pope John Paul II was born during an eclipse on May 18, 1920, and today, his burial, a rare type of partial eclipse happens.

    The eclipse today is called a “hybrid eclipse” and begins at 18:54 GMT (1:54 a.m. Saturday, Philippine time; Friday evening in Rome) southeast of New Zealand, then races eastward on a line north of the Galápagos Islands, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and finally Valenzuela. People living in New Zealand will see the partial eclipse. It will be visible along an arc ranging from the southwestern Pacific to South America.

    The Irish monk Saint Malachy O’Morgair supposedly had a vision of future popes while visiting Rome in the 12th century. The authenticity of the event, according to a website of the religious journalist Michael Brown, is greatly disputed, but Saint Malachy is said to have prophesied the list of popes through short riddlelike nicknames.

    If we accept it as a legitimate prophecy, John Paul II was De Labore Solis, “from the labor of the sun.”

    Being considered the Pope of Fatima, where the famous “miracle of the sun” occurred, the Pope, who was nearly assassinated in 1981, was saved when he bent down to kiss a girl wearing a dress that had a picture of Our Lady of Fatima. This sun connection is hard to ignore. Like the sun, he came out of the east (Poland).

    John Paul II may also be connected to the revelation of Saint Faustina Kowalska of Poland, the Divine Mercy saint who had quoted Jesus as saying, “I bear a special love for Poland and if she will be obedient to My will, I will exalt her in might and holiness. From her will come forth the spark that will prepare the world for My final coming.” (Diary 1732 of Saint Faustina.)

    Many believe that John Paul II was that spark, a view reinforced by further coincidences, especially his death on a Saturday at the end of a weeklong Divine Mercy novena.

    Is the death of this Pope the harbinger of huge events?

    Eclipses and comets have long been seen as a sign from the gods.

    In ancient China eclipses occurred when the gods dispatched a dragon to eat the sun. The word eclipse comes from the Greek word ekleipsis, “to fail or be abandoned.” Eclipses are often associated with the downfall of kings and other leaders.

    The next hybrid eclipse will take place on April 20, 2003. Is there something in that year?

    Prophecies about the number of popes are many and often differ markedly from one another.

    At the popular and controversial site of Garabandal in Spain, a seer named Conchita Gonzalez once noted: “The Blessed Virgin said in 1962 that there will only be two more popes after Paul VI.” A seer in Taytay, Rizal, in the seventies also claimed the same number.

    Saint John Bosco foresaw a time when a pontiff would stand at the helm of a noble ship in turbulent seas and guide it to safe passage between twin pillars that represent the Blessed Mother and the Eucharist. No pope in history was more dedicated to the Virgin Mary than John Paul II and he had declared the current year as the “Year of the Eucharist.”

    But major events that deal with the Church are allegedly mentioned in the secrets of Medjugorje. What will the next pope do about the apparition site? Will he reverse course and allow the bishop to make a negative judgment?

    John Paul II reportedly read the monthly message from Medjugorje, often making statements that paralleled what Mary allegedly said there.

    What are we to make of it all? Could we be ready for things to occur?

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    prophecies erase the mystery of tomorrow... inaalis lang nila kwenta ng buhay natin... what would you do if alam mo na ang bukas? parang taliwas sa plan ni God yun ah...

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