Philippines may buy fighters jets other than US

[timrev]

^ Puwede na yan!

Kahit soft loan pa. :hysterical:

kaya nga pwede na basta meron :fishing2: desperate na some kababayan magkaroon na ng reliable military defense

[pop3corn]

you guys shouldn't forget about the Tuskegee airmen who beat the German Luffwaffe Elite Pilots. The Tuskegee US African-Americans who were give hand-me down WWII planes against the first jet fighters planes of the Germany army (and the world). in the battle of Normandy (D-Day), halos walang nagawa ang German elite sporting jet planes sa Tuskegee. and what about the battle at sea, when lesser Canadian battleships w/c were tasked to guard the English Channel vs. the German Uboats (or the first submarines). kung nakalusot U-boat, ubos ang invasion fleet ng Allied Forces sa beach (yun sa Saving Private ryan)

and syempre, yun Villamor. ngaun kase pag sinabi Villamor, either air Force one or sugal ang first thing comes in mind. Villamor was an ace filipino fighter pilot who downed 52 Japanese planes during the Jap bombing run. lumilipad pa nga siya sa ilalim ng tulay eh

am just saying, we are ill-equipped pero technology can do just much, nasa will and fighting spirit ang magpapanalo sa'tin. The Chinese are getting too comfortable with technology. that can be a disadvantage in war

[Monseratto]

you guys shouldn't forget about the Tuskegee airmen who beat the German Luffwaffe Elite Pilots. The Tuskegee US African-Americans who were give hand-me down WWII planes against the first jet fighters planes of the Germany army (and the world). in the battle of Normandy (D-Day), halos walang nagawa ang German elite sporting jet planes sa Tuskegee. and what about the battle at sea, when lesser Canadian battleships w/c were tasked to guard the English Channel vs. the German Uboats (or the first submarines). kung nakalusot U-boat, ubos ang invasion fleet ng Allied Forces sa beach (yun sa Saving Private ryan)

and syempre, yun Villamor. ngaun kase pag sinabi Villamor, either air Force one or sugal ang first thing comes in mind. Villamor was an ace filipino fighter pilot who downed 52 Japanese planes during the Jap bombing run. lumilipad pa nga siya sa ilalim ng tulay eh

am just saying, we are ill-equipped pero technology can do just much, nasa will and fighting spirit ang magpapanalo sa'tin. The Chinese are getting too comfortable with technology. that can be a disadvantage in war

I think you watched RED TAILS and believed its historically accurate...Gamit nila nga sa movie against the ME-262s were P-51Ds, not exactly hand me downs P-40Es.

And I never knew the Canadians had battleships during WW2, because they never had to begin with...

World War 2 Canadian Ship Listing

Or the Germans never had submarines before WW2. I wonder what sank the Lusitania during WW1?

At saan nakuha mo info may 52 kills si Villamor? Mas magaling pala siya sa top WW2 US ace na 40 kills lang...WOW PARE HEAVY!!!

Upon his return to the Philippines, Villamor was assigned to lead the 6th Pursuit Squadron (now 6th Tactical Fighter Squadron) shortly before the Japanese invasion of the Philippines in December 1941. In the skies above Zablan and Batangas Fields, against Japanese Zeros, his squadron of P-26 fighters engaged the enemy. Despite the disadvantage, Villamor and his squadron was credited with four kills- one Mitsubishi G3M bomber and three Mitsubishi A6M Zeros. Two of them were personally shot down by Villamor himself. After his squadron was destroyed, Villamor continued his war against the Japanese as an intelligence officer.

[pop3corn]

I think you watched RED TAILS and believed its historically accurate...Gamit nila nga sa movie against the ME-262s were P-51Ds, not exactly hand me downs P-40Es.

And I never knew the Canadians had battleships during WW2, because they never had to begin with...

World War 2 Canadian Ship Listing

Or the Germans never had submarines before WW2. I wonder what sank the Lusitania during WW1?

At saan nakuha mo info may 52 kills si Villamor? Mas magaling pala siya sa top WW2 US ace na 40 kills lang...WOW PARE HEAVY!!![/QUOTE]


hindi ako nanunood ng chipmunk na movie kaya ...

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the Canadians had battleships and they were up against German-Uboats with snorkels - ang nagpasimula ng submarine. google u-boats.

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Villamor downed a total 52 planes - bomber and fighters combined. pag sa ace record na sinasabi mo eh di pang-dog fight yan fighter plane vs. fighter plane.

[Monseratto]

hindi ako nanunood ng chipmunk na movie kaya ...

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the Canadians had battleships and they were up against German-Uboats with snorkels - ang nagpasimula ng submarine. google u-boats.

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Villamor downed a total 52 planes - bomber and fighters combined. pag sa ace record na sinasabi mo eh di pang-dog fight yan fighter plane vs. fighter plane.

The world according to OB... 100 kuwento, 101 of these as factual as this guy...laki ng tama.

[Boy Bastos]

you guys shouldn't forget about the Tuskegee airmen who beat the German Luffwaffe Elite Pilots. The Tuskegee US African-Americans who were give hand-me down WWII planes against the first jet fighters planes of the Germany army (and the world). in the battle of Normandy (D-Day), halos walang nagawa ang German elite sporting jet planes sa Tuskegee. and what about the battle at sea, when lesser Canadian battleships w/c were tasked to guard the English Channel vs. the German Uboats (or the first submarines). kung nakalusot U-boat, ubos ang invasion fleet ng Allied Forces sa beach (yun sa Saving Private ryan)

and syempre, yun Villamor. ngaun kase pag sinabi Villamor, either air Force one or sugal ang first thing comes in mind. Villamor was an ace filipino fighter pilot who downed 52 Japanese planes during the Jap bombing run. lumilipad pa nga siya sa ilalim ng tulay eh

am just saying, we are ill-equipped pero technology can do just much, nasa will and fighting spirit ang magpapanalo sa'tin. The Chinese are getting too comfortable with technology. that can be a disadvantage in war

How did Jesus Villamor down two Japanese Zeroes?

1st Kill: Mitsubishi Zero A6M (Navy Carrier Based Fighter)

On December 10, 1941 an alarm was sounded over Zablan field, Quezon City.
Current location of the AFP Supply Center and the Corps of Engineers

From their base in Batangas Field, Batangas, Capt. Jesus Villamor, Lt. Geronimo Aclan, Lt. Godofredo Juliano, Lt. Jose Gozar, Lt. Manuel Conde, Lt. Antonio Mondigo were able to take off to intercept the force attacking Zablan Field.

Uncle Jess got to 5000 feet and noticed a Zero on his tail. Rolls, climbs, snap turns, nothing worked. The Zero could do everything faster and better. At this point in time Uncle Jess regretted underestimating (like the rest of the USAAC) the Japanese aviators and their Zeros. He concluded that he could not outfly the Zero. He had to outsmart him.

He dove down into the Marikina Valley, Flying at tree level, hugging the ground flying through gullies, even flying underneath power lines. He lost the pursuing Zero.

However, as soon as he climbed, another Zero was on his tail. He climbed sharply. Doing so, he stalled his P-26. Struggling to gain control, the P-26 stood on its tail and dropped, snap rolling to recover, he found himself in front of, and head to head with the Zero. They were so close that Villamor could see the Japanese pilot struggling to avoid a collission. Instinctively he pulled the trigger. Villamor saw tracers fly, and the incendiary rounds contacted the Zero's wing. It ignited the Zero's fuel tanks and burst into flames.


2nd Kill: Mitsubishi G3M (Navy Attack Bomber) "Nell"

On December 12, 1941, a flight of 54 Attack Bombers and 18 escorts were sighted enroute and the alarm sounded over Batangas Field, Batangas.
Current location was the site of the former Philippine Constabulary Headquarters of Batangas

Jesus Villamor was able to take off. This time with Cesar Basa, his wing man. Villamor and Basa were able to reach altitude and pointed their P-26' head-to-head with the "Nells." Villamor fired his .30 cals in short bursts. To his astonishment, a Nell started to smoke, then descend, then break up! A lucky shot!

Seconds later, the escorting Zeros were on them from out of the sun. Villamor and Basa did all they could to outfly the Zeros to no avail. Villamor looked back and saw Basa's plane have chunks fly off. Basa was hit. Basa struggled to bail out of the cockpit as his mortally stricken P-26 dove to the ground. The Zero followed.

Later that day, Basa's body was found not far from his plane's wreckage. His body was riddled with bullets beneath his parachute. The Zero pilot had machine gunned him. Lt. Ceasr Basa was the first Filipino pilot to die in aerial combat.


Honors and Withdrawal

Douglas MacArthur, hearing of the Sixth Pursuit Squadron's actions, sent out a communique to all forces under his command recognizing and naming all of the Filipino pilots for their galantry. MacArthur decorated Villamor and bannered him as an inspiration to the Filipinos as he was calling upon the people to stand against the Japanese.

Later, another communique from MacArthur ordered the Sixth Pursuit to conserve their planes. No more Interceptions. No more Pursuits. No more hosite aerial combat. Reconnaisance missions only!

Manila was declared as an open city. MacArtur ordered the pilots of the Sixth Pursuit Squadron to destroy their planes and withdraw to Bataan.

Uncle Jess painfully said goodbye to his well worn and beloved P-26 #303 and ordered a sargeant to dynamite her.

Other Interesting feats from our pilots:

Lt. Geronimo Aclan on December 10th flew his his P-26 expertly, and in a moment of fury tried to RAM a Zero, missing it by inches! It so unnerved the Zero pilot that he flew away.

Villamor reminissces after the war that had Aclan succeeded with his ramming maneouver, he would have been the first Filipino Kamikaze!

Lt. Godofredo Juliano, because of expert flying skills, was actually able to line up a zero for a belly shot. As he was charging his guns, the right cocking handle broke off in his hand. The left gun jammed. He ended up being unarmed and flying into the clouds for cover.


Lt. Antonio Mondigo was shot down. He was able to bail out. floating down in his parachute, a Zero approached to machine gun him (like what happened to Basa). Lieutenats Aclan and Juliano came to his aide and circled Mondigo and protected him from the Zero, which broke off the attack. Mondigo landed safely, but was charged with Bolo, pitchforks and spears by local villagers who mistook him for a Japanese. They were yelling "Japon! Japon! Patayin natin!!! (...Japanese! Japanese! Let's Kill him!!!)

He yelled in Tagalog, and was saved from being turned into hamburger by the lynch mob.

P-26 against Mitsu Zero?

Villamor's P-26 downs 52 Zeros? Comedy na ito. :D

[Monseratto]

How did Jesus Villamor down two Japanese Zeroes?

P-26 against Mitsu Zero?

Villamor's P-26 downs 52 Zeros? Comedy na ito. :D

Let's see if Bongbong baliiw/OB/JEW/GM/P3C can give a REAL answer or just another "world according to OB"...

[Boy Bastos]

Crew: 1
Length: 23 ft 7 in (7.18 m)
Wingspan: 28 ft (8.50 m)
Height: 10 ft 0 in (3.04 m)
Empty weight: 2,196 lb (996 kg)
Loaded weight: 3,360 lb (1,524 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-1340-7 "Wasp" radial engine, 600 hp (440 kW)

Performance

Maximum speed: 234 mph (203 knots, 377 km/h) at 6,000 ft (1,800 m)
Combat radius: 360 mi (310 nmi, 580 km)
Ferry range: 635 mi (550 nmi, 1,020 km)
Service ceiling: 27,400 (8,350 m)

Armament

Guns: 2 × .30 in (7.62 mm) M1919 Browning machine guns or 1 x .30 and 1 x .50 caliber machine guns
Bombs: 2 × 100 lb (45 kg) GP bombs or 5 x 31 lb (14 kg) anti-personnel bombs [17]


VS



Crew: 1
Length: 9.06 m (29 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12.0 m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.05 m (10 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 22.44 m² (241.5 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,680 kg (3,704 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,410 kg (5,313 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Nakajima Sakae 12 radial engine, 709 kW (950 hp)
Aspect ratio: 6.4

Performance

Never exceed speed: 660 km/h (356 kn, 410 mph)
Maximum speed: 533 km/h (287 kn, 331 mph) at 4,550 m (14,930 ft)
Range: 3,105 km (1,675 nmi, 1,929 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 15.7 m/s (3,100 ft/min)
Wing loading: 107.4 kg/m² (22.0 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 294 W/kg (0.18 hp/lb)

Armament

Guns:
Divergence of trajectories between 7.7 mm and 20mm ammunition

2× 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Type 97 machine guns in the engine cowling, with 500 rounds per gun.
2× 20 mm Type 99 cannon in the wings, with 60 rounds per gun.
Bombs:
2× 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or
1× fixed 250 kg (551 lb) bomb for kamikaze attacks

[rollyic]

parang feeling ko si pop3corn bata pa....siguro mga edad 15-18 yrs old.
masyadong malalim ang imagination nya!

[Monseratto]

parang feeling ko si pop3corn bata pa....siguro mga edad 15-18 yrs old.
masyadong malalim ang imagination nya!

May short sa mental faculties niya...hehehe.

[yebo]

yung mga sf-260s madami na tayo nabili nyan....

starting in the early 70's (panahon ni Marcos) a total of 48 units were purchased, comprising of 32 units SF-260M (for Mentor)) and 16 units SF-260W (for Warrior, the armed version).

during the time of Cory there were 18 SF-260TP (for TurboProp) that were ordered, then delivered during the time of Ramos. They also converted some of the M and W models to TP by replacing the piston engines with turboprop powerplants.

the latest delivery of 18 units are the SF-260F (piston engine, Fuel injected) models, completed in April 2011.



di naman sinabi dun sa report kung anong model yung bumagsak.

[oliver1013]

Ang dami nang baliw sa tsikot

[timrev]

Ang dami nang baliw sa tsikot

magagaling kasi magisip ang mga taga tsikot hahaha

[Harangody]

Totoo nga.