Not everything in the Bible is true...

[city]

So that begs the question, what do you revere? Some would call the Old Testament Yahweh to be violent, but such can also be perceived as acts of justice. It is certainly easy to perceive God as a control freak, but that's simply because He's a God of Order. If you're looking for a God of Convenience, someone who gives a supportive nod whenever you push the limits of freedom, then the Christian God is not for you. You could probably find someone appropriate in the Hindu pantheon of hundreds, or simpy forego the idea of a deity altogether. And that my friend, is free will.

can you site an example of pushing the limits of freedom and examples of violent acts perceived as acts of justice? post something from the bible so we would see if it's really a push of limits to freedom or an act of justice. This way we can see if it's a god of order or a god of violence. Or would you like me to be the one to post? I'm giving you the freewill.

[cumbersome]

can you site an example of pushing the limits of freedom and examples of violent acts perceived as acts of justice? post something from the bible so we would see if it's really a push of limits to freedom or an act of justice. This way we can see if it's a god of order or a god of violence. Or would you like me to be the one to post? I'm giving you the freewill.

Have a go my friend. And by the way, order is not always exclusive of violence.

[city]

Have a go my friend. And by the way, order is not always exclusive of violence.

you mean violence is justified to attain order? is this your philosophy in life?

[cumbersome]

you mean violence is justified to attain order? is this your philosophy in life?

Hasty generalization there. Nonetheless, violence, unfortunately, is sometimes necessary to attain order. Human history has proven that beyond doubt. Spanking your child to stress a point of discipline is a small measure of violence. All countries maintain some sort of military force as a deterrent to violence, and to dish it out if it comes to that. It's rather naive to think that order can be attained, and be maintained without conflict.

If God used violence in old times to deal with a trespass, then it is His prerogative (what sort of God doesn't have prerogatives?).And it must be pointed out that in cases where He did use deadly force, more than sufficient chance and time has been given to the offenders to desist, and in some cases He waited centuries.

No, violence is not my philosophy in life. And yes, your questions are meandering.

[city]

Hasty generalization there. Nonetheless, violence, unfortunately, is sometimes necessary to attain order. Human history has proven that beyond doubt. Spanking your child to stress a point of discipline is a small measure of violence. All countries maintain some sort of military force as a deterrent to violence, and to dish it out if it comes to that. It's rather naive to think that order can be attained, and be maintained without conflict.

If God used violence in old times to deal with a trespass, then it is His prerogative (what sort of God doesn't have prerogatives?).And it must be pointed out that in cases where He did use deadly force, more than sufficient chance and time has been given to the offenders to desist, and in some cases He waited centuries.

No, violence is not my philosophy in life. And yes, your questions are meandering.

Hi cumbersome..i didn't mean to get too personal with my questions..sorry dude.

For me..violence invites more violence...and this is a fact...and you said it yourself. But there is another way to attain order and that is thru nonviolent means. The principle "violence is justified to attain order", for me, is a very dangerous philosopy...and it will get us nowhere...up until now....violence had never stopped and had not solved our problems....look around us. I hope man find nonviolent ways to attain order..because i belive it can be done.

And speaking of spanking a child..i believe this is where it all starts....violence is introduced to a child so in turn these children will come to believe that violence is needed to control, to manipulate and to get what you want..this is not a very good idea if we want to do away with violence..and i know you agree that you don't want violence..all of us do not want it. but if we could start from our children we have a bright future ahead of us. let's break the cycle dude. A child can be raised without having to resort to spanking, shouting, humiliating, time-outs, ficititious rewards...let's try something different....why not treat them like adults..give them the respect, compassion, love and understanding they deserve, NCV= non-violent communication..emphatic parenting....believe me bro..we will have made a big step of eliminating violence in our society. A contribution to society.

I have a 6 year old daughter who never had any spanking or shouting , humiliation from me and my wife....man! i would like you to meet her personally...she has learned our example and is very comapssionate and loving. Watch her play and deal with people....you'll be surprise how nonviolent she is....she doesnt resort to violence in getting what she want...nakakatuwa. Other children bully her but always choose not to react violently instead retreat to our loving arms to feel secure.

Children are smart and they are capable of understanding what we need of them if we only try and be patient with them..they have needs that must be met and resorting to violence is one way of paasing the cylce to them and thus it will never end.

[Luap]

Hi cumbersome..i didn't mean to get too personal with my questions..sorry dude.

For me..violence invites more violence...and this is a fact...and you said it yourself. But there is another way to attain order and that is thru nonviolent means. The principle "violence is justified to attain order", for me, is a very dangerous philosopy...and it will get us nowhere...up until now....violence had never stopped and had not solved our problems....look around us. I hope man find nonviolent ways to attain order..because i belive it can be done.

And speaking of spanking a child..i believe this is where it all starts....violence is introduced to a child so in turn these children will come to believe that violence is needed to control, to manipulate and to get what you want..this is not a very good idea if we want to do away with violence..and i know you agree that you don't want violence..all of us do not want it. but if we could start from our children we have a bright future ahead of us. let's break the cycle dude. A child can be raised without having to resort to spanking, shouting, humiliating, time-outs, ficititious rewards...let's try something different....why not treat them like adults..give them the respect, compassion, love and understanding they deserve, NCV= non-violent communication..emphatic parenting....believe me bro..we will have made a big step of eliminating violence in our society. A contribution to society.

I have a 6 year old daughter who never had any spanking or shouting , humiliation from me and my wife....man! i would like you to meet her personally...she has learned our example and is very comapssionate and loving. Watch her play and deal with people....you'll be surprise how nonviolent she is....she doesnt resort to violence in getting what she want...nakakatuwa. Other children bully her but always choose not to react violently instead retreat to our loving arms to feel secure.

Children are smart and they are capable of understanding what we need of them if we only try and be patient with them..they have needs that must be met and resorting to violence is one way of paasing the cylce to them and thus it will never end.

- this is what I want for my baby - btw bro, do you happen to be Bo Sanchez? you sound like him, but not as religious

[city]

- this is what I want for my baby - btw bro, do you happen to be Bo Sanchez? you sound like him, but not as religious

not familiar with bo sanchez...sino yun?