new price: P38.35/ltr unleaded

[rsnald]

We'll just have to give the government the benefit of the doubt. It'll take years before we would feel anything as a result of E-VAT.

For the meantime, let's just sit back and wait. Complaining before anything has actually happened will do absolutely nothing.

OT:
we already gave this governement the benefit of the doubt many times...
1st nung bumaligtad sya sa promise nya (in front of PMA cadets at that) na hindi na sya tatakbo and will only work for the benefit of the people...
..then nung nagbayad tayo ng road-user's tax na napunta lang sa campaign war chest nya.
.. at nung nag release sila ng fertilizer funds ...na naglahong parang bula.

this governement already takes 1/5 to 1/4 of our salary, and then after that, they take another 10% of our net pay?!?! Bwis*T!!!! *$!#***!*&#*!!!!
hehehehe. sori mods, di ko na mapigilan e.

back on topic:
buti na lang diesel di masyado nagtaas. :D

sa mga naka-gasolina, intayin nyo na sana matuloy yung alco-gas project. balita ko mas mura sya lalabas compared sa unleaded gasoline.

[jvm13]

dapat lang matuloy ung alco gas coz we really need an alternative source of fuel.we hav to stop depending on imported oil and start producing our own energy. Most Filipinos can no longer take any mor price increases of fuel.

[dynamo1131]

dapat lang matuloy ung alco gas coz we really need an alternative source of fuel.we hav to stop depending on imported oil and start producing our own energy. Most Filipinos can no longer take any mor price increases of fuel.

I second the motion

[mbt]

why delude ourselves into thinking that all is well with our fuel prices just because they're on par with our neighbors?

if only our economies and paychecks are as great as our neighbors'...

[basti08]

a little OT: what's with the malampaya in Palawan, why dont we just use our own sourced fuels?

[mazdamazda]

a little OT: what's with the malampaya in Palawan, why dont we just use our own sourced fuels?

We produce only a minimal amount of oil... less than 10K barrels / day.

While we import around 350K barrels / day of oil.

[basti08]

so...its still not for mass-consumption...that's CNG right? that's odd, a couple of months ago they introduced CNG powered buses for public use.

[oldblue]

A lot more poorer nations (especially in Africa) have double of our gasoline prices

kaya yata double dun kasi sa sobrang poor dun, lahat sila naglalakad ng lang.

eh dito lakas na nga demand coz of sobra dami PUV's, private-owned cars, add to that, the traffic and pedestrian problem. siguro tubo na sila.

palagay ko nga mas malakas pa din ang fuel consumption ng buong Bayan ng Maynila compared to L.A. + 3 other counties. considering na mas liit ang geographical area ng Maynila. imagine from Buendia to Intramuros (Roxas Blvd) it took me 45 min. eh dati yun U-turn scheme ni BF, nakakaya ko ng 10 min. lang yun.


just take Australia for example, gasoline dun sulit, assuming na P40/ltr din dun tatagal naman ng extra 3-4 days ang full tank nila. grabe dun lang ako nakakakita ng mga 2nd hand units for sale, mukhang brand new pa.

eliminate the inefficiencies in daily travel within Metro Manila, sulit yan near P40/ltr price na yan.

[basti08]

eliminate the inefficiencies in daily travel within Metro Manila, sulit yan near P40/ltr price na yan.

amen to that. no problem kung gas prices lang problema...kaya nga lang di ganun eh, add mo pa traffic, lubak-lubak na kalsada, carnapping/carjacking, un-educated drivers, kotong cops etc.... haynaku po!

[mazdamazda]

palagay ko nga mas malakas pa din ang fuel consumption ng buong Bayan ng Maynila compared to L.A. + 3 other counties. considering na mas liit ang geographical area ng Maynila. imagine from Buendia to Intramuros (Roxas Blvd) it took me 45 min. eh dati yun U-turn scheme ni BF, nakakaya ko ng 10 min. lang yun.

The US consumes 20.5M barrels / day of oil.

The Philippines consumes only around 350K barrels / day.

[Alpha_One]

The US consumes 20.5M barrels / day of oil.

The Philippines consumes only around 350K barrels / day.

So, a barrel of oil serves about 251 Filipinos, but only about 15 Americans.

[oldblue]

The US consumes 20.5M barrels / day of oil.

The Philippines consumes only around 350K barrels / day.

sir mazda mazda I meant L.A. + 3 counties. not the whole US hehehe

[A121]

oo. kung na-eliminate ang inefficiencies sa transport sector magiging matipid tayo sa gas. sana macontrol ang dami ng public utility vehicles na walang laman na bumabyahe.

[mbt]

okay then, perhaps we should double the price of gas here, through taxation.

[Alpha_One]

okay then, perhaps we should double the price of gas here, through taxation.

That's what the Europeans have been doing since forever. Almost all of Western Europe at least have gas prices that go way past 3-digits per liter in Php. UK has one of the highest petrol prices in the world considering they actually produce some oil, while we're a country with the lowest prices among the non-oil producing part of the globe.

P.S. Eurofueltax doesn't just double the prices, they easily quadruple them. Wonder why half the cars sold are Diesels, even though they're more expensive (the cars AND the fuel)? Wonder why people *aren't* driving Priuses? Clarkson on Top Gear proved that regular diesels are more efficient than gasoline hybrids, not just a bit but they're a LOT more efficient.

As for the traffic situation, have you seen the Top Gear episode where Jeremy got beaten in a car by a marathonner? My goodness the traffic through central London! They even stopped once because a VIP went through, it seriously looked like one of OUR city centers (although our city centers are bigger with bigger cars).

The bigger problem is that people have become way too attached to their cars. Wonder why sites such as Tsikot.com exist? Hey, I like cars. Many people want cars. But do most of us actually absolutely need them?

Think about it, most private cars are redundant because their origin and destination are easily connected by public transport. Lots of cars on the road are useless (lots of driver-only Expeditions full of air no cargo). In the same way, 99.9% of text messages flying through the air are green jokes, love quotes and chain letters. Most cars are useless in the same way most text messages are useless (although the text message example is way more extreme).

Lots of people complain of traffic and high fuel prices, yet their cars take up space and consume fuel like the other 999 bazillion on the road.

Lots of people complain of cellphone network downtimes, but they're just trying to send their best friend the latest campus scandal, which is useless but takes up space on the network.

Many OFWs and their families actually complain of the peso strengthening (because they get "less peso for their $$$"), but by converting the $$$ to PhP they add to the foreign reserves.

The world is full of paradoxes like these. Either we accept the compromise, or just stop doing whatever it was we were doing. But you ain't gonna stop driving, he ain't gonna stop texting, and the Dela Cruzes next door ain't gonna stop spending Uncle Boy's dollar gifts anytime soon. The wold isn't going to stop because of these quirks.

[mbt]

i actually think that it makes sense to heavily tax gasoline and diesel, since it encourages, at the least, conservation and efficiency (the US had cheap gas for so long, no surprise that they're the biggest oil hog and polluter in the planet). it also ensures great revenue to the government, which is ideally used for the public good.

yun nga lang, the point i'm trying to drive at is that the reality is different where we are, and it's not something that can be so easily discounted.

[Alpha_One]

i actually think that it makes sense to heavily tax gasoline and diesel, since it encourages, at the least, conservation and efficiency (the US had cheap gas for so long, no surprise that they're the biggest oil hog and polluter in the planet). it also ensures great revenue to the government, which is ideally used for the public good.

yun nga lang, the point i'm trying to drive at is that the reality is different where we are, and it's not something that can be so easily discounted.

Noooooooooooooooooo!

Hindi kami papayag sa gusto ng uber secret GloriaGeorge - PetronShellCaltexTotalSeaoilUnioilBPEssoChevronOPE C alliance!

Seriously, a measure like this could actually mean *less* revenue for the government (after a certain point) iif people start dusting off their bicycles. But isn't it a nice way to reduce foreign oil demand *and* generate revenues at the same time?

But the leftist militants wouldn't allow that to happen, and neither will the left side of the Congress.

[mbt]

if people start dusting off their bicycles, there can be significant savings in the form of reduced traffic, less pollution, improved health, etc.

[Alpha_One]

if people start dusting off their bicycles, there can be significant savings in the form of reduced traffic, less pollution, improved health, etc.

Yup, exactly. I was only mentioning the immediate economic effects (because that's leftist militant food). Less traffic, pollution, and improved health will mean great savings to the public.

[tebs]

malabo pa siguro yung improving health. sa grabe ng pollution sa metro manila, matagal pa mawawala yung smog na nagaccumulate

ang mahal na ng fuel!!! waaaahhhh....