[merged] ingat sa gitgitan at makipagduruan sa kalye.

[Monseratto]

Matulad lang to sa kaso ni Antonio Leviste. Unang charge was homicide. Ginawang murder para lang makulong. Tapos nakita na wala kasamang treachery daw, ayan binalik sa homicide. Now he's roaming free on bail.

[Autobeat]

at bakit naging basura yun cefiro driver? if you have read and seen the related video and article. alam mo na yun lawyer ang may mali. dahil nag counterflow sa traffic and almost hit the incoming cefiro. the cefiro driver must have went down to confront the lawyer since am sure the lawyer didnt want to back down.

also, i dont understand why some of you even suggest the lawyer just do a warning shot or show his gun. what for? to prove that he is more superior kasi may baril sya? gun ban period now and he shouldnt even be carrying his gun outside his house. if the lawyer just roll down his window and said his sorry and back up. tapos na usapan.

no one deserves to die in that kind of situation.

Well said, hungryalien.

Yung lawyer (shooter) na nga yung nag-counterflow, tapos it seems hindi man lang siya nag-sorry or nag-acknowledge ng fault, kahit hand wave man lang, tapos mapipikon siya kung may magalit sa kanya ang isang motoristang muntik niyang banggain dahil sa reckless driving niya?

Kahit bang babaan pa siya at sipain yung oto niya, eh nag-counterflow kasi siya.

Huwag na kasing mag-counterflow in the first place. Pumila na lang ng maayos, kahit traffic.

[badsekktor]

pansin ko nga madaming drivers ang di marunong maghintay kaya mahilig magsisingit at mag-counterflow tapos sila pa galit pag hindi mo napagbigyan!

[DLV]

[SIZE=2]Philippine Star - Metro
Thursday, October 4, 2007

Pasig exec faces dismissal over road rage
By Non Alquitran

Pasig City Mayor Roberto Eusebio vowed to dismiss the city’s legal officer if it is proven that he killed two people over a traffic accident last Tuesday in a fit of road rage.

"What he has done is not a good example among Pasiguenos. People like him have no place in city government," Eusebio said, referring to lawyer Manito Hernandez.

Hernandez, said to be a nephew of a Sandiganbayan justice, was accused of shooting to death Edgardo Calesares, and his companion, Catherine Palmero.
Calesares, a vice president of the Total Information Management in Makati City, sustained multiple gunshot wounds and was declared dead on arrival at the Medical City. Palmero died while undergoing treatment at the same hospital.

Reports showed that the vehicles of Hernandez and the victims figured in a traffic accident at the corner of Shaw Boulevard and Endriga street at around 2:30 p.m.

Witnesses said a fuming Calesares alighted from his vehicle and hit the driver’s door of Hernandez’ car, shattering the glass.

Hernandez stepped out of his vehicle, armed with a nine-millimeter pistol, and shot the victims at the height of their argument, according to witnesses.
He escaped after the incident but bystanders managed to get the plate number of his car. He surrendered hours later to the Eastern Police District (EPD) and Pasig City police who traced him to his house on Sunhill street in Barangay Kapitolyo. He did not, however, yield his weapon.

Eusebio confirmed reports that Hernandez was the city’s legal officer, but pointed out that Hernandez’s guilt has yet to be established.

EPD director Senior Superintendent Nilo de la Cruz said they are still awaiting the autopsy report on the victims before filing appropriate charges against Hernandez.

Hernandez, currently held at the Pasig City police detention center, and his lawyer refused to talk to newsmen. The suspect also invoked his constitutional rights in refusing to undergo a paraffin test to determine if he had fired a gun recently.
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[claRkEnt]

may existing thread na on this issue...

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...395#post921395

[Flagg]

at bakit naging basura yun cefiro driver?

Because he WANTED a confrontation. Hindi ba obvious?

I dunno how it is with you, but in my book, anyone who did what he did is trash. Do you realize that he put his passenger in jeopardy whether may baril yung kalaban o hindi? Talagang malas sya may baril ang kalaban nya. Mas malas pa passenger nya sticking with a piece of trash like that. Pasensya ka na at hindi ako kasin-forgiving mo.

Besides, hindi lang naman sya sinabihan ko... sabi ko next yung lawyer. Parang you forgot about him... o para clear, trash din yung lawyer.

no one deserves to die in that kind of situation. pwede pa siguro mga corrupted government officials.

I think they both deserve it (meaning lawyer & Cefiro driver). My humble opinion only. Kung makulong ng life ang lawyer, two less pieces of s**t in the world.

[Monseratto]

Di pa pinakita sa news yung Toyota Corolla na may dent sa sipa ng victim. Dapat confiscated yung tsikot ng ogag na yun.

[Trebuchet]

"Relax!"

That's what I always say whenever I'm in a situation that will make you really blow a fuse. And then I tell myself...

"Loosing your cool will only cloud your right judgement" ...and then I smile.

It has work for me so far.

May the souls of the victims R.I.P.
May the family of both parties be able to overcome their ordeal.
And may they both get fair treatment and judgement that is due to them in the court of law.

[carbomb]

it reminds me of an incident that happened long long ago at the intersection between marcos highway and sumulong. may isang trak na napakayabang talaga sa daan. kung magmaneho parang ahas na paliko-liko eh sa pag pihil nyang pakanan papuntang sumulong may mabagal na mazda 323 na box type na berde sa unahan nya, so ginawa nung drayber at pahinante ng truck eh pinag mumura at nag sign pa ng dirty finger dun sa mazda 323 at dahil sa trapik din papuntang sumulong kc ginagawa yung daan that time di inaasahan ng mga mokong na yun na puro naka unipormeng pulis nasa loob ng mazda 323 na pinag mumura nilang dalawa. ayun, naglabasan ng mga armalite at 9mm yung mga pulis kaya pinababa clang dalawa at pinag sasampal. parang nabahag mga buntot ng mga demonyo. he he he. tawa kami ng tawa ng misis ko nun kahit papano na aliw kami sa trapik.

[BlueBimmer]

wahahahahaha thats too funny!!!

[hungryalien]

Because he WANTED a confrontation. Hindi ba obvious?

hmm so what would you do mr flagg? if you turn into a corner after a looong ass traffic jam and someone counterflow-ed into your lane. wouldnt you ask/signal him to back up? or would you quietly try to back-up so the offender can have his way? tapos ikaw pa mag sorry kasi nakaharang ka sa kanya?

i dont know about you, but if am in the right of way. i will demand my right of way. maybe mainit na yun cefiro driver after the long traffic jam so he went down to demand for an apology. but i dont think thats enough ground to be called "basura".

if i was driving the cefiro and you were in that corolla. sorry i wont even let you squeeze pass me. be prepare to back all the way up to the end of the line.

and if you open fire on me, do i deserve such?

[NightWinger]

Nobody deserve to be shot dead becuz of traffic! Iwasan lang po natin magyabang sa kalsada, kundi bigayan lang po. Wala po mawawala kung nagbigay tayo ng daan sagli naman. Kaysa magaway tayo at mas malaki mawawala.

[pup2]

hmm so what would you do mr flagg? if you turn into a corner after a looong ass traffic jam and someone counterflow-ed into your lane. wouldnt you ask/signal him to back up? or would you quietly try to back-up so the offender can have his way? tapos ikaw pa mag sorry kasi nakaharang ka sa kanya?

i dont know about you, but if am in the right of way. i will demand my right of way. maybe mainit na yun cefiro driver after the long traffic jam so he went down to demand for an apology. but i dont think thats enough ground to be called "basura".

if i was driving the cefiro and you were in that corolla. sorry i wont even let you squeeze pass me. be prepare to back all the way up to the end of the line.

and if you open fire on me, do i deserve such?

I totally agree with you, assuming that the shooter was indeed the perpetrator of the counterflow. I would say 98% of the fault was his.

The 2% fault of the driver-victim, IMO, was as follows:

1% -- Why'd he have to go down? Assuming naka-mura na siya and what not. What did he hope to achieve by going down? If it was to teach the perp a lesson, dapat aware siya na going down can only make him vulnerable. Kung hindi siya agad bumaba, at siya naman ang binabaan with gun drawn, I would've felt free to run the scumbag over. OTH, had the other driver not been armed, he could've STILL been run over, di ba? Kaya tsikoteers, NEVER go down unless in a secure, well-lighted area -- for emergency repairs (kasi puwede din bangga-holdup).

1% -- Why'd he have to destroy the others' car? Tingin ko kaya di masyado nag-react agad yung shooter kasi nga guilty for counter flowing. Kahit maglabas ng baril yung shooter, yung sense of justice nung victim lalong lalala kaya di aatras yun talaga. 2 Lessons here -- unless SURE kang kaya mong HUWAG gumamit ng firearms even with the utmost provocation, kalokohan magdala ng baril sa kotse. Also, do NOT over-react. Di naman natuloy yung banggaan dinagdagan mo pa yung drama by damaging a vehicle.

Dun naman sa mga naniniwalang 'panalo' yung shooter, I suggest you make a quick visit to our jail. Then imagine yourself living there for 10-20 years. There are things worse than death.

At kung sa trapik talaga kayo naro-road rage, dala kayo ng portable TV/DVD player. Mura lang sa Divi.

My .02 mula sa mga karanasan ko sa buhay.

[Flagg]

hmm so what would you do mr flagg? if you turn into a corner after a looong ass traffic jam and someone counterflow-ed into your lane. wouldnt you ask/signal him to back up? or would you quietly try to back-up so the offender can have his way? tapos ikaw pa mag sorry kasi nakaharang ka sa kanya?

Sit there and wait. Always remember, point A to point B is the fundamental reason I'm there, 'no? I've done it before... I'll continue doing so.

i dont know about you, but if am in the right of way. i will demand my right of way. maybe mainit na yun cefiro driver after the long traffic jam so he went down to demand for an apology. but i dont think thats enough ground to be called "basura".

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. If you read the rest of my post, I mentioned the reason his desire for confrontation made him, IMO, basura.

if i was driving the cefiro and you were in that corolla. sorry i wont even let you squeeze pass me. be prepare to back all the way up to the end of the line.

In this hypothetical event that I did counterflow and block your way, I'd immediately give you right of way. Oh, and don't worry about me shooting you... I won't. Damatans na po ako, mellowed to the max...

That's why, for the third time, I say the lawyer is basura #2. I say the responsible people of the Philippines are better off to be rid of these and their ilk.

and if you open fire on me, do i deserve such?

This was answered in my previous post. Hinay-hinay lang bossman.

Eto, i-re-state ko: If one dares to endanger one's self, and is stupid enough to endanger those under one's responsibility, then one better be prepared for the consequences.

HTH

[pinoy_cal]

However you look at it, the lives of the people in this incident are wasted due to simple traffic issue. The two dead people can't be brought back again, and the lawyer destroyed his life and career due to impending jail time (hopefully justice will be served). Pwede naman sanang isa sa kanila and bumigay o magpasensiya na lang. Asking for a fight and shooting people dead wasn't the only option available.

But, I can see and understand the source of the rage and anger of the Cefiro driver since I just had a near miss yesterday afternoon that made my blood boil too.

I was driving home in a busy 2 lane street going home from work. Its 5pm and theres just the regular rush hour traffic which is not so bad in this area. There was probably over a dozen cars with me as 4th in line. I was using my small Kia car so I was overly cautious by giving about a car's length distance between me and the huge ford truck in front of me. Unexpectedly, a minivan coming out of the store on the left side of the street came hurtling through making a left turn to get into the direction I was driving. It barely missed a honking and visibly surprised SUV going on the opposite direction, and instead of aligning itself in the median yellow lane before merging, the driver went straight and merged the minivan in front of me. I was running 40-45mph and had to slam my brakes really hard. I thought that since the van had a near miss with the SUV that he would wait in the median turning lane before merging into the lane I was driving through. But idiot made the 2nd near miss on me. I probably missed the bastard by a mere 2-3 inches. Of course the rest of the cars behind me did their own brake hard routine creating a chorus of screaming/screeching brakes. The initial shock subsided and my anger came out as well as my nervousness. I was gripping the steering wheel so tight and chills went down my spine. Then I was yelling invectives and honking my horn like mad,and when the driver looked back I gave him the finger sign. I started chasing him trying to tailgate him and intent on following him to his destination to cuss him out and maybe punch the living hell out of him. Those emotions probably lasted 10-15 seconds, until my mind went into thoughts of my wife and 9 month old son waiting for me at home. What would happen to them if I wasn't able to avoid that guy and I get disabled or killed? Wait! I'm worried for them but I was madly chasing the guy. It hit me like a cold splash of water that what I'm doing at the moment is also putting myself at risk. That calmed me down considerably and I just said out loud "Diyos na ang bahala sa iyo. Huwag ka sanang mandamay ng ibang inosenteng tao!" Hinayaan ko na at tumakbo na ako sa speed limit. He went into a fast righ turn into the next cross street and then he was out of sight. I got home 5 minutes after that, and my son was in his walker waiting near the door. He greeted me with giggles, smile, and some of the few words he knows "Da, da, dad, didi!" The anger, nervousness, and other thoughts in my mind evaporated and I just hugged and kissed my son while relating the near miss story to my worried wife.

Like my wife often say... however careful we are at driving, marami parin ibang driver diyan na iba ang pag-iisip or driving habits. Be extra careful while driving fellow tsikoteers. Sana lang po ay huwag tayong matatalo ng galit at inis sa ganitong sitwasyon para walang mangyaring masama sa atin. Kawawa naman ang mga mahal natin sa buhay.

[empy]

[SIZE=2]Philippine Star - Metro[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Thursday, October 4, 2007 [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Pasig exec faces dismissal over road rage[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]By Non Alquitran [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Pasig City Mayor Roberto Eusebio vowed to dismiss the city’s legal officer if it is proven that he killed two people over a traffic accident last Tuesday in a fit of road rage.[/SIZE]

if he is guilty, then dismissal should be the least of his problems. he should be fighting to stay off death row imo.

[empy]

btw, speaking of road rage incidents, i have tried to be calmer on the roads these days. i was really bad when i was in my teens.

good thing the worst thing that happened to me back then was that an Armenian guy in a Corolla tried to spit on me....we were traveling at 60+ mph on the Pasadena freeway kaya bumalik sa mukha niya yung sarili niyang dura :evillaugh

[mbeige]

btw, speaking of road rage incidents, i have tried to be calmer on the roads these days. i was really bad when i was in my teens.

good thing the worst thing that happened to me back then was that an Armenian guy in a Corolla tried to spit on me....we were traveling at 60+ mph on the Pasadena freeway kaya bumalik sa mukha niya yung sarili niyang dura :evillaugh

Hahaha he probably deserved it! Never ever spit against the wind (this goes figuratively as well - never ever confront anybody who can be a larger threat to you than you are to them)...

[oldblue]

if he is guilty, then dismissal should be the least of his problems. he should be fighting to stay off death row imo.

he must also find his annulment lawyer expert friend, bec. in jail he'll be somebody's wife.

[oldblue]

so who is this guy? the shooter or the victim?